Phenom II info leaks out, AMD hints at something

[Donnie27]

Only depends on how P2 hold against yorkfield.

If its slower c/c then theres no reason to switch, epseical when most of those who are interested already own a 775 platform.
Just Pop in a cheap Q9550 and go to 3,8ghz. High FSB is no miracle anymore with P45 and E0.

If your on a old platform then S939/AM2/775 not 45nm compatible P2 looks good. But also depends on the price, but looking at the past i think amd will grab this one.

If the are equal c/c it still depends on what you own already.

True but I'm using a P43, not P45. I do have 6GB of good Mushkin PC-6400 and I haven't exactly killed the Idea of getting a 9550 or etc.. I looked at some X58's, 3 2GB sticks DDR3-1333 and the i920. I'll simply compare performance to Dollar ratio and run with it, Green or Blue is kind of over rated at this point for sure. AMD's price to performance ratio will matter more than anything, no matter what or how it is named

[STaRGaZeR]

Coming from a P45+E8400 combo, when you have to pay 260€ for the mobo, 260€ for the CPU and 150-200€ for 3x2GB DDR3 you start looking at what AMD has to offer with interest. The world's economy is not going to lower prices, at least not here (mainly because we are not as bad as the US). And if this thing can clock to 4+GHz with acceptable power consumption (with seems to be the case) and with better perfomance than current Yorks it's a no brainer for me. However, if I had the money I'd go for Nehalem, no doubts. Its perfomance is going to be higher.

[informal]

My only concern is NOT the same name or number, but where it falls performance wise. I don't want to see an A-925 X4 running slower than the i7-920 for example, while costing more. More expensive platform or not.

That will not happen.If it's slower than i920 than you can bet it will be priced lower too.IT still depends whether one talks about out of the box performance(ie. turbo feature on i7 can make ipc comparison harder than usual-why not OC both chips to their maximum and test them in your preferred workload?).
But the total platform cost arguments still stands.Plus the chip has dual standard DDR support so you can use it with both types of RAM/boards.

[BrowncoatGR]

what else do you thinks its for. its so they aren't guarenteeing overclocks. i have never seen intel put any sort of "this is how high these processors could overclock" graphs out and if they did, you can sure bet that they'd have the * too.

actually it's about the 800 series that has 2MB less cache than the 900 series. I'd guess it's parts with defective L3 cache. This makes me wonder whether propus is actually a different mask without the L3

[Hornet331]

True but I'm using a P43, not P45. I do have 6GB of good Mushkin PC-6400 and I haven't exactly killed the Idea of getting a 9550 or etc.. I looked at some X58's, 3 2GB sticks DDR3-1333 and the i920. I'll simply compare performance to Dollar ratio and run with it, Green or Blue is kind of over rated at this point for sure. AMD's price to performance ratio will matter more than anything, no matter what or how it is named

qfe,

but as you said it depends on the price/performance, a cpu is cheaper then a cpu and board.

[Hell Hound]

It will be around $299.usd

[Opteron146]

It will be around $299.usd

Source ?

[Donnie27]

Source ?

Someone did a screen capture of a Newegg page with i7 920 going for $319. WE ALL know about Newegg's priceing bot and how they aren't the cheapest site for any new item.

qfe,

but as you said it depends on the price/performance, a cpu is cheaper then a cpu and board.

QFT! That's why I never bought an Athlon FX But did buy at least two of the cheaper models. I only had the 4400+ one week before a bud bought it from me. Still have the 3500+.

[Donnie27]

That will not happen.If it's slower than i920 than you can bet it will be priced lower too.IT still depends whether one talks about out of the box performance(ie. turbo feature on i7 can make ipc comparison harder than usual-why not OC both chips to their maximum and test them in your preferred workload?).
But the total platform cost arguments still stands.Plus the chip has dual standard DDR support so you can use it with both types of RAM/boards.

I'll wait for DDR3 to mature a little more, not that interested at the moment.

I wish I could agree with you! Theory means nothing here. The Hard end result gained by hook or by cook will be the only thing that matters. MOST folks will only care about out of the box performance=P Sure we at XtremeSystems will care about overclocking but we are what, 1% of the market?

I'd NEVER bet on AMD's pricing policies. At times they seem more like P.T. Barnum and think most of us, even in this market, as suckers. Wouldn't be the first time we've seen odd ball prices. Sales will determine the real price but that's the way it should be

[m^2]

Someone did a screen capture of a Newegg page with i7 920 going for $319. WE ALL know about Newegg's priceing bot and how they aren't the cheapest site for any new item.

Yeah, but for i7 you need ddr3.

[Donnie27]

Yeah, but for i7 you need ddr3.

Of course, that's one reason Deneb is ahead for me, see earlier post?

[azraeel101]

But a slightly lol at the numbering... now we have a CI7 920/940/965 and a P2 X4 910/925/940... come on amd... get more original.

At least they're not called Phenom 20950 like it was initially rumored.. That would have been ridiculous.
Oh and Donnie27 thinking about buying AMD? I had to look outside to see if the pigs started flying..

[PetNorth]

AMD has turned it into a race again, Jan 8th unlocked Phenom II .... coming to my motherboard soon

there we go

[Klarko]

Damn if deneb is 299$ then this will be a tougher choice then before...

[Blaber]

Biggest unknown is the what DDR3 will do for Deneb in terms of performance, when comparing to competition both C2D & Nehalem , this may effect the pricing of Deneb.Amd will price Deneb keeping this "DDR3 FACTOR" in mind, even though ddr2 parts are coming out first , then ddr3 parts coming later.

So initially if Deneb is overpriced may be its bcz of the "DDR3 FACTOR" which comes later next year.

But I could be 100% wrong.

[DX_Medic]

Dear AMD I have completely lost faith in you over time. you use to be so fine back in the athlon XP and athlon 64 days, then you got beat and you panicked. You got all Fussy and released a processor with known errors to the market. I will give you one more chance. After I finish my nehalem !!!

[Hornet331]

Biggest unknown is the what DDR3 will do for Deneb in terms of performance, when comparing to competition both C2D & Nehalem , this may effect the pricing of Deneb.Amd will price Deneb keeping this "DDR3 FACTOR" in mind, even though ddr2 parts are coming out first , then ddr3 parts coming later.

So initially if Deneb is overpriced may be its bcz of the "DDR3 FACTOR" which comes later next year.

But I could be 100% wrong.

The "DDR3 FACTOR" is meaningless for desktop apps, just look at Ci7.

[bedlamite]

About new Phenom prices.
Well, keep in mind what happend with 4850 and 4870.
AMD needs market share and I think they're a bit desperate.
We'll see but I think they will price Phenoms very agressively and that's what I've heard

[Blaber]

The "DDR3 FACTOR" is meaningless for desktop apps, just look at Ci7.

Its tough call , may be it differs from architecture to architecture , so untill I see the performance difference b/w ddr2 & ddr3 on Deneb , I won't assume any thing.

But I am not expecting any huge but marginal gains in performance of Deneb going from ddr2 to ddr3.

[Rammsteiner]

Whoa, very nice!

That OC slide, not sure but I think it could be true actually. Reason for me that might make it questionable is that AMD never has been around a solid 4Ghz clock. Then again, as long as Im in hardware I never saw them releasing CPU's at 2.8~3Ghz right away either, so this certainly sounds promising.

Also it's a very good move they keep the BE-line. Even if it's only people with a bit of money just wanting to have fun, a BE CPU ain't very expensive, especially not compared against unlocked Intel CPU's. Im wondering more and more though what the FX-line will bring. Either they skip it again or it's some cherry picked batch with more cache and high/k and metal gates or something.

Almost made me feel stupid for ordering my new i7 already, but to be honest, why anyway. Ill keep the best parts from my system and upgrade to a Deneb when high/k and metal gates arrive, that should rock! I do not think Deneb will touch Bloomfield too much performance wise, but in price competition Im pretty sure, if those slides are true of course Actually, it wont be even that hard to be competitive in price at all

Im eagerly waiting for some reviews, that's for sure

[JumpingJack]

looking forward to that, btw. when does you Ci7 arives. (if you have one ordered)

I am assembling the parts list now. I want some flexibility in the memory, so I am eyeballing 3x2 OCZ DD3-1600 C8 or Corsair DDR3-1600 C8.

So far the build will be Asus Rampage II Extreme, i7 965, DDR3-1600 ...

The Phenom II build will start with an older AM2+ board, but need to get one with a SB750 southbridge to make a fair OC compare.

Jack

[clonez]

ah, only one BE?

nice lineup and names, btw

this is starting to get interesting

[JumpingJack]

Biggest unknown is the what DDR3 will do for Deneb in terms of performance, when comparing to competition both C2D & Nehalem , this may effect the pricing of Deneb.Amd will price Deneb keeping this "DDR3 FACTOR" in mind, even though ddr2 parts are coming out first , then ddr3 parts coming later.

So initially if Deneb is overpriced may be its bcz of the "DDR3 FACTOR" which comes later next year.

But I could be 100% wrong.

It won't do much I suspect -- mem BW is not a huge factor in desktop workloads. Maybe 5% on average better. It really depends on the quality of the IMC, the DDR2 IMC from AMD has been a bit weaker than the DDR IMC ... by that I mean in terms of squeezing out efficiency of the theoretical BW.

[Bandwidth]

AMD should have unlocked the PII 920 and PII 925 too

Especially the PII 925, it would probably be able to reach higher clocks than the 940 and 920 cause of the lower heat dissipation.

My guess is another unlocked Phenom II clocked at 3.2GHz would follow a few months after that, maybe around April/May timeframe. But we'll see.

[Hornet331]

Its tough call , may be it differs from architecture to architecture , so untill I see the performance difference b/w ddr2 & ddr3 on Deneb , I won't assume any thing.

But I am not expecting any huge but marginal gains in performance of Deneb going from ddr2 to ddr3.

Theres no assumption, its logical reasoning... what did more bandwidth gave you on Phenom?

From ddr2-800 to dd2r-1200 there was virtually no improvment on most desktop apps (winrar aside )

You won't notice any difference with ddr3, even with ddr3-2000.

Servers on the other hand will love bandwidth fir certain situations.