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    Nehalem,One cpu to rule them all!




    During the last 2 weeks I've had the opportunity and the fun of working with one of the new Nehalem cpu's and the Intel DX58S0 motherboard.
    The cpu is the i7-965 Bloomfield EE edition.
    Stock speed on this cpu is 3200mhz but brother does it have some overhead if you take the time to work with it.
    This is a 45nm cpu like the Yorkfields but there the resemblance disappears.
    I won't get into the chip architecture because most of you already know about the changes.
    Overclocking this bad boy is much different than any of the previous Intel chips.
    This was like learning Swahili when you've never even heard of the language.
    The BIOS has more adjustments than any previous Intel based machine but there is good reason for it. You can adjust any parameter imaginable and to get the most out of the machine you will have to get familiar with most of those settings.
    Don't be concerned about this as by the time you buy one all the research will have been done for you and posted here on the forum.
    One last thing, if I can do it and make it work you can.
    I am not a bencher. I build high end dual socket server systems and very rarely even use a single socket machine.
    Your going to read a lot on this setup in the following days by people like Fugger and Sampsa who know what they are doing and will bring you good advice.

    Lets start;
    Specs are as follows:
    Intel i7-965 Bloomfield EE cpu
    Intel DX58S0 motherboard
    3x1 gig DDR3,PC3-10700 Aeneon memory @8-8-8-24 1T
    EVGA 9600GSO vid
    PCP+C 610w Silencer PSU
    All testing done with Windows XP Pro 64bit

    Here's a look at the setup as I put it in an old Supermicro SC750 case I had here.



    As you can see it's a pretty straightforward setup using a TR UltraExtreme 120 with a Scythe 120x38mm UltraKase 87CFM fan. A little overkill on the fan but a excellent one.
    Sorry for the slightly fuzzy pic, I had a issue with drool and it effected the shot!
    The first thing I did was to get an idea of what it needed for settings and voltages to get to my goals. What I found is that it's pretty forgiving on voltages and doesn't need as much as you'd think. In fact I would recommend staying under 1.4v unless you are going VERY high up and even then 1.4v will do all most all you'd need for any 24/7 work.

    Now since my main interest is in the distributed computing area thats where I focused my attention.
    First to WCG and a benchmark at 3733mhz which seemed like a good speed for 24/7 work
    3662/11854 is a pretty respectable benchmark considering it's thinking it's looking at 8 cores. Had I done this with HT turned off I'd guess those numbers would go a bit higher.



    I downloaded 16 work units for WCG and ran them in 3 groups to get some idea of the effects of using hyperthreading on this program.
    The first 8 WU I ran in 2 groups of 4 with HT off and as you see they finished in app 2 hours 28 minutes.
    The last group of 8 WU I ran at one time with HT enabled and was happily surprised to see that they finished in less than twice the time of running 4 units with HT off.
    4 hours 25 mins app .This shows the effect of HT and that it is a positive one.
    From the brief numbers I can see it looks like this machine at 3733mhz will pull just over 20,800 points a day with HT off and well over 30,000 a day with HT enabled.
    For comparison a Q6600 machine at 3600 will pull between 15,000-16,000 a day.



    Next I ran Folding at home and two different methods.
    First with 2 SMP installs to handle the 4 cores.
    I asked around in the Folding section and was told that the fastest machine they'd seen, a yorkie at 4000 on water, had done app 3300 points a day.
    As you see in the pic below the Nehalem is closing on 5000 points a day.



    Now if you prefer not to max the machine I tried it with just one SMP install and a nVidia 9600GSO card($50.00 from eBay) and in this configuration the machine was pulling well over 7000 points a day with only 63% cpu usage.




    Next I went to two apps that I like to run, Cinebench10 and Super Pi1M.
    First Super Pi.
    I had some goals here, I wanted to break 10seconds on air.
    Not an easy goal but I'm a stubborn old guy and I wanted this.
    After a long night of tweaking I reached my goal and this one I'm happy with.
    4226mhz on real air in a 72F room is to me impressive.



    Last Cinebench.
    I had a goal here also. 4000mhz with HT enabled and this puts a real stress on the machine.
    This also took some work but I finally managed to get what I wanted from it.
    These numbers are closer to what you'd expect from a legit 8 core machine instead of a 4 core.



    After 2 weeks with this machine it's made a believer out of me.
    It's much more powerful clock for clock than the previous Yorkfields when put to pure computational programs such as I do and also it's fun to work with.
    Temps in a 72f room with even 1.4v fed to the machine at 3733mhz stayed in the low 50C range and even maxed at 4226 just touched 60C and that was with 1.475V set in BIOS.

    My thanks to the people that made this available to me and also I'd like to say a personal thanks to both Fugger and to Francois Piednoel from Intel for their advice and support.
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    Thanks Movieman, great info!

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    Good to see HT actually has an overall positive effect this time around

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    Excellent report Dave.
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    Nice report Dave... Now we need price cuts on boards and cpus already...


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    Poor Dave is gonna be knee deep in geek-goo here soon.

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    Finally!!! Thanks Dave, been dieing to see this. Ok, anyone want to by some hardware from me?
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    sexy cpu

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    Can you tell us something more about the memory you've used?
    triple channel ? what timings , voltage ?

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    Nice work Dave, the projected PPD is pretty impressive.. can you verify >30k/d yet? That would come awfully close to my E5420's.. dang I need to sell them
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    One thing I didn't add in the post was that although this is looking to get over 30K a day in WCG it is actually claiming at a rate of just over 40,800 a day which in it's first day makes it such an "outliar" that it's getting penalized to hell and thats putting it mildly.
    Take a look at this and run the numbers on it's claims yourself and you'll see what I mean. Just look at the four WU with cpu time of 4 hrs+
    The others with cpu time of 2 hours + were done with HT turned off during my first days test.
    Now I expect this to get better once the machine has had 5 days running so that WCG sees that it's claiming consistantly and the awards improve.
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    So for WCG it's like a Q6600 but with 8 cores?
    7 million per day by new year?
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    For sale: Z7S-WS, E5450's, FB-DIMM's... will trade for medusa's prodigy of a processor! lol

    j/k

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcool View Post
    Nice work Dave, the projected PPD is pretty impressive.. can you verify >30k/d yet? That would come awfully close to my E5420's.. dang I need to sell them
    On paper (errr spreadsheet) with hyperthreading enabled, you're pwned already.

    That's with ONE CPU ... when we get hold of a dual socket system

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    I see.. Of course it claims way too much credit with HT enabled, because the BOINC bench only runs on 1 core and just multiplies the score with the detected number of cores. They'll need to come up with a fix for that pretty soon now.
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    I'm not sure about that ... when the bench runs on mine it loads both cores 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_A View Post
    On paper (errr spreadsheet) with hyperthreading enabled, you're pwned already.

    That's with ONE CPU ... when we get hold of a dual socket system
    That's exactly why that "on paper" thing doesn't really work here.. 4:25h for 8 WUs vs. 2:44h for 8 WUs should make quite a difference in reality

    Can't wait to see a Gainstown in action tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by [XC] Jaco View Post
    Can you tell us something more about the memory you've used?
    triple channel ? what timings , voltage ?
    Aeneon PC3-10700, 3x1 gig @8-8-8-24 1T with 1.58v to the memory
    Quote Originally Posted by jcool View Post
    Nice work Dave, the projected PPD is pretty impressive.. can you verify >30k/d yet? That would come awfully close to my E5420's.. dang I need to sell them
    I think it will get the 30K if WCG sees it for a few days with consistant claims and what you see here is just from one day as I had to wait to submit.

    Quote Originally Posted by L0$t Pr0PhEt View Post
    So for WCG it's like a Q6600 but with 8 cores?
    7 million per day by new year?
    Think on this;
    We do today app 5.6 million a day with app 1200 machines.
    200 of these will do app 6 million a day by themselves.
    I rest my case..
    Oh, and this is for Naekuh mostly: Imagine a dual Gainstown at this speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    Oh, and this is for Naekuh mostly: Imagine a dual Gainstown at this speed.
    my crystal ball says:


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    Quote Originally Posted by jcool View Post
    That's exactly why that "on paper" thing doesn't really work here.. 4:25h for 8 WUs vs. 2:44h for 8 WUs should make quite a difference in reality
    Which is why I'm waiting on the scores without hyperthreading for a comparison. Historically hyperthreading has royally rodgered the benchmarks, but this is new stuff so ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcoffey View Post
    Great work Dave. Well worth the wait. I might have give one of these new chips a go after 2-3 months. Good stuff.

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    Yea I agree with that, out of money upgrading to quads...


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    Quote Originally Posted by D_A View Post
    Which is why I'm waiting on the scores without hyperthreading for a comparison. Historically hyperthreading has royally rodgered the benchmarks, but this is new stuff so ...
    I'll get a bench later tonight with HT turned off for you.
    Quote Originally Posted by mcoffey View Post
    Great work Dave. Well worth the wait. I might have give one of these new chips a go after 2-3 months. Good stuff.

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    Thanks Andy. I think you'd love it.
    I'm picturing you with one on water at app 4500mhz..
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    Do you mind if I ask what your opinion is of the board MM? Is the bios pretty sound? Is there decent headroom? Does it seem like the board is ready for prime-time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xVeinx View Post
    Do you mind if I ask what your opinion is of the board MM? Is the bios pretty sound? Is there decent headroom? Does it seem like the board is ready for prime-time?
    Yea, it's pretty solid. Now I haven't used it as a "daily driver" but it's been at 100% load the last 24 hours and no issues.
    When I was pushing it up over 4000mhz it was predictable.
    You knew what was going to happen 85% of the time before you left the bios and went back to windows.
    Once you understand what does what in the bios it's very easy to work with.
    There is also a windows app from Intel that lets you do your tweaking within windows but I stuck to BIOS settings as thats what I'm used to.
    The boot up time is a little longer than say my asus P35 board but no where near as long as my dualie Supermicro boards.
    It gets into windows and then seems to be checking a few last parameters and then bingo it's fine.
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