More Core i7 trichannel "failure" from "thiefs"

[justthefax]

One can always elect to use these new CPU's using single or dual channel if they choose for their particular setup and how they want their system to run using the apps they use most.

The difference here is when you do need it, it's there. With a CPU that *only* runs in single or dual you don't have the option of going to triple, so in reality triple channel is not hurting anything...you only have bandwidth to gain, and we all know if you sit still long enough, you will end up obsolete. There are already programs that do take advantage of this, and it's been repeated ad nauseum on here but people just aren't listening.

There will be more and more multithreaded apps. The games are already there. Graphics design work, video work, and various engineering programs will take full advantage of this, and I will be using those types of programs heavily, and have been waiting on a CPU like this for years...literally years. I even put off a build of a 775 based quadcore rig for over a year now to wait on this as soon as I leaned about this CPU and some of its advantages.

If multithreaded apps aren't a reason, then does anyone want to go back to a P4? If you’re only using single threaded apps, then there's no reason for multicore rigs, and all this dual channel stuff right? Wanna go back to a Willamette? No HT?

C'mon now, surely people here realize this technology is here to stay, and will be around for a long time. I'm building one of these because I'm not going to build another for at ***least*** another 3 years, and it will probably be more like 5. I'm not gonna be in the shape I'm in now where I settled for an obsolete 478 system back when 775 was just around the corner. I did that and have regretted it ever since. I was stuck with a socket that has no future, and watched as others were popping in new CPU's while I was getting more and more obsolete until I got into the situation I'm in now...not being able to run multithreaded apps worth a damn. Even with my high OC this thing is painfully slow at encoding...so slow I have videos piled up that need to be encoded and have put them off so long it will take me months after I get my new system to get caught back up.

I also have some programs I cannot even use because the flow runs would be a slideshow providing the program didn't just hard lock the system.

That extra memory is already useful. It's just that many of these articles only have one thing on the brain...games. These computers are not just game boxes. They are used for real work...work that pays for these expensive toys we play with. Without that work they'd be nothing more than glorified consoles.

We also already know that this CPU is a folding beast. I'll be willing to bet money, people are gonna be stunned when the *real* info gets released after the NDA is lifted. The "meat and potatoes" hasn't been released yet, because it's under NDA. Anything else at this point is just filler.

The only thing I'm waiting on is how much is this stuff gonna cost, and where can I get it. Unless it's cost prohibitive it's bought. There is no doubt that this thing will outperform anything to date. We've seen enough to know that now. There are even benches in the benching forum showing that.

I cannot wait to get started encoding my videos so I can immortalize them on digital media. I'm worried that something may happen to them, and the stuff I have on there is irreplaceable.

I'm also semi-retired, but want to start doing some design work again and *need* this kind of computing power.

I don't understand your logic. If you need an encoding box so badly why don't you get a cheap Penryn (i.e. SSE4) system and run that dedicated for encoding. Nehalem systems are going to be out of the bang for buck segment until late 2009, the upcoming release is for the early birds willing to pay a premium. For the $500 that you plan to spend on just a CPU you could get a separate box and have it encode 24/7. And a second one for your main work. A 3.6GHz Q9400 wouldn't be much slower than the midrange i7 you plan to get. And with encoding offloaded your aggregate CPU power would be much higher.

The massive premium you'd pay for a $300 mobo + $500 CPU + $200 RAM could basically be used for two 775 systems.

And in 2010 you could once again get a bang for buck i7 system if you really wanted to. The incremental performance gain from enthusiast systems is not really worth it if your tasks are splittable imo.

[T_Flight]

I don't understand your logic. If you need an encoding box so badly why don't you get a cheap Penryn (i.e. SSE4) system and run that dedicated for encoding. Nehalem systems are going to be out of the bang for buck segment until late 2009, the upcoming release is for the early birds willing to pay a premium. For the $500 that you plan to spend on just a CPU you could get a separate box and have it encode 24/7. And a second one for your main work. A 3.6GHz Q9400 wouldn't be much slower than the midrange i7 you plan to get. And with encoding offloaded your aggregate CPU power would be much higher.

The massive premium you'd pay for a $300 mobo + $500 CPU + $200 RAM could basically be used for two 775 systems.

And in 2010 you could once again get a bang for buck i7 system if you really wanted to. The incremental performance gain from enthusiast systems is not really worth it if your tasks are splittable imo.

Becasue I'm not gonna buy twice. I'm buying one system and that's it. I also want to have the possibility to upgrade a CPU in the future without having to buy another mobo and ram again. One 1366 system will do ti all for me. 2010 is basically a year and 2 months away. I will not be buying any systems for at least 3 years and probably 5 again, so 775 systems are a no go unless I cannot afford a new Bloomfield. If I wanted to build an obsolete system I could've done that a year ago. I chose to wait instead.

The only thing at this point that would force me into a 775 based system would be criminally priced stuff. So far I'm not seeing that happen.

We're also not talking about cheap here. We're talking about Extreme CPU's which in 775 cost more than this Bloomfield will. They are 1400+ on the egg right now and the Bloomfield will be around 1000 dolalrs from what I'm seeing. boards are about the same or what I'm going to spend is about the same for the same level of performance and Overclocking ability, and the ram is slightly higher but not enough to warrant buying technology that is now obsolete. It would cost me more in the end.

[Tulatin]

Becasue I'm not gonna buy twice. I'm buying one system and that's it. I also want to have the possibility to upgrade a CPU in the future without having to buy another mobo and ram again. One 1366 system will do ti all for me. 2010 is basically a year and 2 months away. I will not be buying any systems for at least 3 years and probably 5 again, so 775 systems are a no go unless I cannot afford a new Bloomfield. If I wanted to build an obsolete system I could've done that a year ago. I chose to wait instead.

The only thing at this point that would force me into a 775 based system would be criminally priced stuff. So far I'm not seeing that happen.

We're also not talking about cheap here. We're talking about Extreme CPU's which in 775 cost more than this Bloomfield will. They are 1400+ on the egg right now and the Bloomfield will be around 1000 dolalrs from what I'm seeing. boards are about the same or what I'm going to spend is about the same for the same level of performance and Overclocking ability, and the ram is slightly higher but not enough to warrant buying technology that is now obsolete. It would cost me more in the end.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about "buying again". Worst case scenario, you get to re-install windows when you go i7. If you want a basically disposable setup, just use a low end LGA Quad, decent value motherboard, and a few GB of DDR2... or if you want stuff to carry over, get a DDR3 board.

Plus, don't forget that the very fist crop of i7 boards will be, historically speaking, . They'll have tons of kinks to iron out, will likely be unable to support certain future processors, and hold back memory clocks. Nothing that buying another mobo wouldn't fix, though.

Regarding you having to watch those LGA days roll on by - Socket 775 wasn't just as simple as flip and drop. If you bought in off the start, you would have needed to buy a 955 or higher board to get a dual core to work. Want a core chip? 965/975. Want to do multigpu? P35/P45... It's definately been far from a smooth road, and I've owned MORE than enough motherboards to tell you that.

Besides, if you're going to start doing design work, upgrading your system every "3 to 5 years" really doesn't cut it. If you HAD upgraded a year ago to an entry level quad, a motherboard with AGP, and about 4gb DDR2, you'd have flown through your encoding pile, for about what, $400 total?