More Core i7 trichannel "failure" from "thiefs"

[Shintai]

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-66...s-SMT-OFF.html

Another conclusion of trichannel is a failure. Its originally made by pconline.cn.

And another epic failure in translation. And not only this, xtreview also publish it as their own.

You can see the original screens by techpowerup that tho gave credit to pconline. But also failed translation.

http://www.techpowerup.com/73680/Cor..._Let-down.html

How many people does it need to do basic chinese translation

But just sad to see actually. Its all some copy/paste babelfish journalism.

[Movieman]

I call BS on his numbers and you know me well enough that I wouldn't say that lightly.

[Nanometer]

No picture of system, no good scores.

[Shintai]

I call BS on his numbers and you know me well enough that I wouldn't say that lightly.

Most numbers are right. However understanding of the numbers is the issue

People think loading times is frames per second etc.

However, the appearance of the third memory channel created an additional problems.

Running chinese through babelfish is a hard one already. And then randomly guessing charts is even worse.

[Movieman]

Most numbers are right. However understanding of the numbers is the issue

People think loading times is frames per second etc.



Running chinese through babelfish is a hard one already. And then randomly guessing charts is even worse.

Not according to what I see with my own eyes but for the sake of peace on the forum I will stay out of this thread from now on.

[MrToad]

Not according to what I see with my own eyes but for the sake of peace on the forum I will stay out of this thread from now on.

Well, from what I've gathered in a couple of weeks there will be plenty of real world information (which I'm eagerly awaiting) available on the subject, so I have to concur.

No need to start something now, when we are so close to seeing the veil fall...

Besides, you're one whose words can be taken at face value

[Zucker2k]

20.5K Everest Read

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GedUuXD20CA

[Blacky]

I'm not surprised

[cegras]

You think babelfish can translate any non-alphabetic language easily? It has trouble moving from english to french due to lost context.

Way too early to ever think you can assimilate the complexities of chinese into english.

[Eson]

Cant see the point of this thread. You have said several times that it isn't translated correctly, how is this news? The issue was about tri-channel doesn't have any advantage over dual-channel.

[hollo]

the ironic thing about this recycled set of results was that they tested various #s of memory channels (1-3) in single thread and few-thread (gaming) benchmarks, where obviously triple channel DDR3 is massive memory bandwidth overkill

then, in benchmarks that will actually stress out 8 threads and show performance improvements with triple channel mem they don't test different #s of memory channels

it's like getting a 4 drive SAS RAID 0 and stating it's a waste because it doesn't improve your spi time

[Drwho?]

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-66...s-SMT-OFF.html

Another conclusion of trichannel is a failure. Its originally made by pconline.cn.

And another epic failure in translation. And not only this, xtreview also publish it as their own.

You can see the original screens by techpowerup that tho gave credit to pconline. But also failed translation.

http://www.techpowerup.com/73680/Cor..._Let-down.html

How many people does it need to do basic chinese translation

But just sad to see actually. Its all some copy/paste babelfish journalism.

One more dude using a proto from last year ... duh! since then, we had 10 versions of the memory controler micro code ... without counting the sub versions ...

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[saaya]

those results seem fine... theres no big boost going from dual to tri channel... intel never said it would...
dual imc is still way faster than dual MCH... so while going to tri channel wont give you a big boost, having the memory controller integrated helps mem bandwidth a lot.
how much that bandwidth helps the cpu to get higher scores is a different storry though... that depends on the cpu and application...

same for smt, in some apps it doesnt help, in some it does... it depends a lot on what apps you actually run.
unfortunately there are very very very very few desktop apps that can make use of more than 4 threads

[GAR]

games really do not really need high memory bandwidth, for gamers it wont be a big upgrade, but for people that need pure cpu and memory power, its a huge upgrade.

[T_Flight]

One can always elect to use these new CPU's using single or dual channel if they choose for their particular setup and how they want their system to run using the apps they use most.

The difference here is when you do need it, it's there. With a CPU that *only* runs in single or dual you don't have the option of going to triple, so in reality triple channel is not hurting anything...you only have bandwidth to gain, and we all know if you sit still long enough, you will end up obsolete. There are already programs that do take advantage of this, and it's been repeated ad nauseum on here but people just aren't listening.

There will be more and more multithreaded apps. The games are already there. Graphics design work, video work, and various engineering programs will take full advantage of this, and I will be using those types of programs heavily, and have been waiting on a CPU like this for years...literally years. I even put off a build of a 775 based quadcore rig for over a year now to wait on this as soon as I leaned about this CPU and some of its advantages.

If multithreaded apps aren't a reason, then does anyone want to go back to a P4? If you’re only using single threaded apps, then there's no reason for multicore rigs, and all this dual channel stuff right? Wanna go back to a Willamette? No HT?

C'mon now, surely people here realize this technology is here to stay, and will be around for a long time. I'm building one of these because I'm not going to build another for at ***least*** another 3 years, and it will probably be more like 5. I'm not gonna be in the shape I'm in now where I settled for an obsolete 478 system back when 775 was just around the corner. I did that and have regretted it ever since. I was stuck with a socket that has no future, and watched as others were popping in new CPU's while I was getting more and more obsolete until I got into the situation I'm in now...not being able to run multithreaded apps worth a damn. Even with my high OC this thing is painfully slow at encoding...so slow I have videos piled up that need to be encoded and have put them off so long it will take me months after I get my new system to get caught back up.

I also have some programs I cannot even use because the flow runs would be a slideshow providing the program didn't just hard lock the system.

That extra memory is already useful. It's just that many of these articles only have one thing on the brain...games. These computers are not just game boxes. They are used for real work...work that pays for these expensive toys we play with. Without that work they'd be nothing more than glorified consoles.

We also already know that this CPU is a folding beast. I'll be willing to bet money, people are gonna be stunned when the *real* info gets released after the NDA is lifted. The "meat and potatoes" hasn't been released yet, because it's under NDA. Anything else at this point is just filler.

The only thing I'm waiting on is how much is this stuff gonna cost, and where can I get it. Unless it's cost prohibitive it's bought. There is no doubt that this thing will outperform anything to date. We've seen enough to know that now. There are even benches in the benching forum showing that.

I cannot wait to get started encoding my videos so I can immortalize them on digital media. I'm worried that something may happen to them, and the stuff I have on there is irreplaceable.

I'm also semi-retired, but want to start doing some design work again and *need* this kind of computing power.

[Drwho?]

There is actually an important gain in Mem Bandwidth when going from 2 to 3 Dimms, if you don t see it, you have old hardware, Sandra will show it for sure.

Francois

[justthefax]

One can always elect to use these new CPU's using single or dual channel if they choose for their particular setup and how they want their system to run using the apps they use most.

The difference here is when you do need it, it's there. With a CPU that *only* runs in single or dual you don't have the option of going to triple, so in reality triple channel is not hurting anything...you only have bandwidth to gain, and we all know if you sit still long enough, you will end up obsolete. There are already programs that do take advantage of this, and it's been repeated ad nauseum on here but people just aren't listening.

There will be more and more multithreaded apps. The games are already there. Graphics design work, video work, and various engineering programs will take full advantage of this, and I will be using those types of programs heavily, and have been waiting on a CPU like this for years...literally years. I even put off a build of a 775 based quadcore rig for over a year now to wait on this as soon as I leaned about this CPU and some of its advantages.

If multithreaded apps aren't a reason, then does anyone want to go back to a P4? If you’re only using single threaded apps, then there's no reason for multicore rigs, and all this dual channel stuff right? Wanna go back to a Willamette? No HT?

C'mon now, surely people here realize this technology is here to stay, and will be around for a long time. I'm building one of these because I'm not going to build another for at ***least*** another 3 years, and it will probably be more like 5. I'm not gonna be in the shape I'm in now where I settled for an obsolete 478 system back when 775 was just around the corner. I did that and have regretted it ever since. I was stuck with a socket that has no future, and watched as others were popping in new CPU's while I was getting more and more obsolete until I got into the situation I'm in now...not being able to run multithreaded apps worth a damn. Even with my high OC this thing is painfully slow at encoding...so slow I have videos piled up that need to be encoded and have put them off so long it will take me months after I get my new system to get caught back up.

I also have some programs I cannot even use because the flow runs would be a slideshow providing the program didn't just hard lock the system.

That extra memory is already useful. It's just that many of these articles only have one thing on the brain...games. These computers are not just game boxes. They are used for real work...work that pays for these expensive toys we play with. Without that work they'd be nothing more than glorified consoles.

We also already know that this CPU is a folding beast. I'll be willing to bet money, people are gonna be stunned when the *real* info gets released after the NDA is lifted. The "meat and potatoes" hasn't been released yet, because it's under NDA. Anything else at this point is just filler.

The only thing I'm waiting on is how much is this stuff gonna cost, and where can I get it. Unless it's cost prohibitive it's bought. There is no doubt that this thing will outperform anything to date. We've seen enough to know that now. There are even benches in the benching forum showing that.

I cannot wait to get started encoding my videos so I can immortalize them on digital media. I'm worried that something may happen to them, and the stuff I have on there is irreplaceable.

I'm also semi-retired, but want to start doing some design work again and *need* this kind of computing power.

I don't understand your logic. If you need an encoding box so badly why don't you get a cheap Penryn (i.e. SSE4) system and run that dedicated for encoding. Nehalem systems are going to be out of the bang for buck segment until late 2009, the upcoming release is for the early birds willing to pay a premium. For the $500 that you plan to spend on just a CPU you could get a separate box and have it encode 24/7. And a second one for your main work. A 3.6GHz Q9400 wouldn't be much slower than the midrange i7 you plan to get. And with encoding offloaded your aggregate CPU power would be much higher.

The massive premium you'd pay for a $300 mobo + $500 CPU + $200 RAM could basically be used for two 775 systems.

And in 2010 you could once again get a bang for buck i7 system if you really wanted to. The incremental performance gain from enthusiast systems is not really worth it if your tasks are splittable imo.

[naokaji]

Not according to what I see with my own eyes but for the sake of peace on the forum I will stay out of this thread from now on.

A Chinese website compared dual channel s775 vs. tri channel I7.
Among other tests they compared how long games take to load.
So they ended up with lower numbers on I7 than C2Q, because it was seconds and as we all know, less seconds used = better, but some other review sites then just copy pasted, yet failed to realize that the chinese guys where talking about seconds and made fps out of it, which ment that I7 was suddenly looking bad when in fact it was winning.

[T_Flight]

I don't understand your logic. If you need an encoding box so badly why don't you get a cheap Penryn (i.e. SSE4) system and run that dedicated for encoding. Nehalem systems are going to be out of the bang for buck segment until late 2009, the upcoming release is for the early birds willing to pay a premium. For the $500 that you plan to spend on just a CPU you could get a separate box and have it encode 24/7. And a second one for your main work. A 3.6GHz Q9400 wouldn't be much slower than the midrange i7 you plan to get. And with encoding offloaded your aggregate CPU power would be much higher.

The massive premium you'd pay for a $300 mobo + $500 CPU + $200 RAM could basically be used for two 775 systems.

And in 2010 you could once again get a bang for buck i7 system if you really wanted to. The incremental performance gain from enthusiast systems is not really worth it if your tasks are splittable imo.

Becasue I'm not gonna buy twice. I'm buying one system and that's it. I also want to have the possibility to upgrade a CPU in the future without having to buy another mobo and ram again. One 1366 system will do ti all for me. 2010 is basically a year and 2 months away. I will not be buying any systems for at least 3 years and probably 5 again, so 775 systems are a no go unless I cannot afford a new Bloomfield. If I wanted to build an obsolete system I could've done that a year ago. I chose to wait instead.

The only thing at this point that would force me into a 775 based system would be criminally priced stuff. So far I'm not seeing that happen.

We're also not talking about cheap here. We're talking about Extreme CPU's which in 775 cost more than this Bloomfield will. They are 1400+ on the egg right now and the Bloomfield will be around 1000 dolalrs from what I'm seeing. boards are about the same or what I'm going to spend is about the same for the same level of performance and Overclocking ability, and the ram is slightly higher but not enough to warrant buying technology that is now obsolete. It would cost me more in the end.

[flopper]

waiting for NDA to drop.
Until then, we simply dont know.

[duploxxx]

There is actually an important gain in Mem Bandwidth when going from 2 to 3 Dimms, if you don t see it, you have old hardware, Sandra will show it for sure.

Francois

i am sure of that, and you will see it for sure in memory benchmarking, the big question would be if this is big added value in normal applications....

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-66...s-SMT-OFF.html

Another conclusion of trichannel is a failure. Its originally made by pconline.cn.

And another epic failure in translation. And not only this, xtreview also publish it as their own.

You can see the original screens by techpowerup that tho gave credit to pconline. But also failed translation.

http://www.techpowerup.com/73680/Cor..._Let-down.html

How many people does it need to do basic chinese translation

But just sad to see actually. Its all some copy/paste babelfish journalism.

really nice news post Shintai...... everybody already concluded in those news posts that the tests were garbage .....0 added value

I call BS on his numbers and you know me well enough that I wouldn't say that lightly.

yes Movieman we already saw your happy post regarding the new toys.... however the strange part was that OBR with the same NDA and hardware tempered it real fast... so wonder who is happy with synthetic and who is happy with real life

[Kuroimaho]

Actually I am quite happy to read that, so do not have to upgrade my C2Ds for a while besides dropping in a pair of C2Q when their prices hit the floor, Intel can keep the bling platform.

[Tulatin]

Becasue I'm not gonna buy twice. I'm buying one system and that's it. I also want to have the possibility to upgrade a CPU in the future without having to buy another mobo and ram again. One 1366 system will do ti all for me. 2010 is basically a year and 2 months away. I will not be buying any systems for at least 3 years and probably 5 again, so 775 systems are a no go unless I cannot afford a new Bloomfield. If I wanted to build an obsolete system I could've done that a year ago. I chose to wait instead.

The only thing at this point that would force me into a 775 based system would be criminally priced stuff. So far I'm not seeing that happen.

We're also not talking about cheap here. We're talking about Extreme CPU's which in 775 cost more than this Bloomfield will. They are 1400+ on the egg right now and the Bloomfield will be around 1000 dolalrs from what I'm seeing. boards are about the same or what I'm going to spend is about the same for the same level of performance and Overclocking ability, and the ram is slightly higher but not enough to warrant buying technology that is now obsolete. It would cost me more in the end.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about "buying again". Worst case scenario, you get to re-install windows when you go i7. If you want a basically disposable setup, just use a low end LGA Quad, decent value motherboard, and a few GB of DDR2... or if you want stuff to carry over, get a DDR3 board.

Plus, don't forget that the very fist crop of i7 boards will be, historically speaking, . They'll have tons of kinks to iron out, will likely be unable to support certain future processors, and hold back memory clocks. Nothing that buying another mobo wouldn't fix, though.

Regarding you having to watch those LGA days roll on by - Socket 775 wasn't just as simple as flip and drop. If you bought in off the start, you would have needed to buy a 955 or higher board to get a dual core to work. Want a core chip? 965/975. Want to do multigpu? P35/P45... It's definately been far from a smooth road, and I've owned MORE than enough motherboards to tell you that.

Besides, if you're going to start doing design work, upgrading your system every "3 to 5 years" really doesn't cut it. If you HAD upgraded a year ago to an entry level quad, a motherboard with AGP, and about 4gb DDR2, you'd have flown through your encoding pile, for about what, $400 total?

[Neuuubeh]

......I'm also semi-retired, but want to start doing some design work again and *need* this kind of computing power.

Hm if I were you I'd look to either get a dual socket system, or get a second box for rendering or w/e you actually would do with this kind of computing power. I am actually kinda looking forward to release to swoop some cheapish system to use only for rendering, sporting a q9450 or similar. Dunno if I actually need it tho :x. Seems I might be able to use a small renderfarm with 20ish pcs for that :/

Its all about the user tho, I really hope you are happy with the initial release of i7 . I think I'll wait for the "tick"-stage to jump on the i7 wagon.


PS BTW this wont be faster than an 8core skulltrail for graphics or w/e you are doing . less expensive tho

PS2 Movieman, why do you even care what some random people said on a forum, dont let everything get to ya

[Movieman]

i am sure of that, and you will see it for sure in memory benchmarking, the big question would be if this is big added value in normal applications....




really nice news post Shintai...... everybody already concluded in those news posts that the tests were garbage .....0 added value




yes Movieman we already saw your happy post regarding the new toys.... however the strange part was that OBR with the same NDA and hardware tempered it real fast... so wonder who is happy with synthetic and who is happy with real life

Lets cut to the chase here: Why the hell are you in these threads since your obviously not looking for info but to disrupt the thread and piss on everyone involved?
Your sarcasm towards me and the others here isn't appreciated and to put it bluntly give it a frigging break, we're all sick of it.
Is that plain enough for you?
OBR ran what he thought was relevant and I did the same.
I teased him a little and also made a point about violating the NDA with posted benchmarks but it was civil between he and I.
I also didn't have anywhere near the time to test that he has had so kindly add that into your sarcastic equation.
If I show what you consider to be too much enthusiam then that I'm probably guity of.
I'll let you in on a little secret: I'm having plain old fashioned fun.
Yea, fun and I can tell you that at pushing 57 years of age thats not something you say often. Fun like little kid fun. The wonder of exploration, that kind of fun and if I'm too much for you or you can't handle that then guess what? I don't give a damn.
For months I've watched you piss on Intel threads and I'm sick of it.
Stay the hell out of the Intel threads since you don't have anything positive to add.