Looking for a mirror for Martin's reviews

[Marvin_The_Martian]

We misunderstand eachother I think.

Communities are what keep people together through shared intrests. I said I sense a lack of it because you're trying to argue that Martin should have asked money for his work. I disagree on that because I feel this community you're a part of (XS) should be about the free sharing of information with like minded people. If you want to earn money, you should just start a site and not come here to talk about it. Martin did because he wanted to share his knowledge and I applaud him for that.

RRR I saw and I give you the for that, my comment was made after reading how you felt it should have been a fee based site ( that was you was it? )

RRR, I understand you don't like me since I commented negatively about you in the past, but don't make this into more then it is.

hate propagation

Come on!

IanY, do you believe in the spirit of XS?

[Marvin_The_Martian]

That was someone else who posted about fees, bud...

Sorry RRR, wrong assumption there

[Xilikon]

I can certaintly understand Martin's motivations to retire and I'm grateful for his work to improve the testing methodology and to make people more aware about performance of various components.

The only request I would like to see happen is to share the testing methodology so others can reproduce it if they wanted. If a few people get the same tools and can do the same testing methodology, we can continue gathering the knowledge. I'm personnally looking to buy the same King flowmeter as Martin and I will look at the manometer a bit later for my own personnal knowledge.

Beside this, I will repeat but I wanted to thank you, Martin, for the help about the WC knowledge. This is really appreciated and will be remembered for years to come.

[luxbel]

If Martin is interested, I have a server that could be used as a mirror for his info, of course, if he wishes to keep all of it up. Just a zip file with the data and pages needed and I'll gladly host it. no cost to anyone, and it'll simply be there as reference info.

That being said, thanks a million for everything Martin. If it wasn't for your exhaustive testings, spreadsheets, time, effort and cash, I'm sure a lot of people would not know what they really have installed. You'll always be a legend, regardless if the site is mirrored or not. It'll at least live on in our heads and in this forum.

[skinnee]

The only request I would like to see happen is to share the testing methodology so others can reproduce it if they wanted. If a few people get the same tools and can do the same testing methodology, we can continue gathering the knowledge.

This is something I plan on doing with my site. I want to have a place where testers of all sorts can take and contribute to the testing methodology in use. Think of it as a best practices for WC testers section.

[Xilikon]

This is something I plan on doing with my site. I want to have a place where testers of all sorts can take and contribute to the testing methodology in use. Think of it as a best practices for WC testers section.

That's a great idea and it's definitely welcome. My opinion is that if we can share the testing methodology, it's easy to prove or disprove someone's testing results by redoing the testing yourself.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

If Martin is interested, I have a server that could be used as a mirror for his info, of course, if he wishes to keep all of it up. Just a zip file with the data and pages needed and I'll gladly host it. no cost to anyone, and it'll simply be there as reference info.

That being said, thanks a million for everything Martin. If it wasn't for your exhaustive testings, spreadsheets, time, effort and cash, I'm sure a lot of people would not know what they really have installed. You'll always be a legend, regardless if the site is mirrored or not. It'll at least live on in our heads and in this forum.

great offer might want to pm martin to make sure he knows about this post

[IanY]

IanY, do you believe in the spirit of XS?

Communal Spirit? Spirit of XS?

Do you need an honest answer or do you want me to butter up the toast for you?

The answer is "No."

And I could care tuppence what anyone thinks of me either. I already have a rather dire reputation as it is, and the sandpaper-like abrasive personality is not a front. I am who I am, and I don't pretend to be whom I am not.

No one has to like me, and I would venture that most people don't. A few people do for whatever their reasons, and I am very honored/honoured. I have a few friends in XS and I am immensely loyal to them, but I still routinely flogged them in public and in PM when I need to, and that especially includes RRR and Naekuh, whom I have more than a few occassions vehemently disagreed with their opinions and choices.

In my business, there is a common saying. "If you want a friend, get a dog."

As for water cooling testing, I have no such inclinations, absolutely no interest and I don't ever intend to test water cooling equipment. I don't buy the equipment that most people in XS buy anyway, so I wouldn't care. All due respect to Martin, I read his reviews with interest because they were publicly available, but I never followed some of his recommendations anyway. Dittos Nikhsub1 and Mcoffey and MaxxxRacer. Naekuh gets more hell from me than you know. Good guys with good intentions, but when I disagree, I just disagree.

If I were ever to undertake any form of testing, it would be only for myself and my eyes. I would share with my small circle of friends, but even then I would tell them to look elsewhere for definitive answers.

I have no intentions to have fee-based subscription for anything on the internet. I have more than enough responsibilities and headaches away from XS: a lot more than I can handle.

Anyway, my point was that Martin should be consistent with his overall position. If he started his site for communal spirit purposes to share his results with the public, then he shouldn't be invoking intellectual property protections right now and not share his past data with the public.

And the quote about "Hate Propagation" was not from me. It was from RRR. Kindly take note and quote properly. It is immensely bad form to misquote and then use that dumb rolling eye icon. It is unwarranted and debasing. I'm not RRR's alter ego, and its not the same dual-personality schizophrenic individual that is posting.

[Marvin_The_Martian]

RRR, I understand you don't like me since I commented negatively about you in the past, but don't make this into more then it is.

hate propagation

Come on!

Sorry I didn't take the time to nest the quotes.

I agree with the rest of what you're saying, I'm even abit confused about why I doubted your community feeling in the first place. You don't need to be liked, or even care about being liked or not, only requirement for being a community member is to approach another with respect and an open mind. Also I don't dislike you, so idk why you brought that up if it wasn't just in general. I had a few occasions where I wanted to reach into my monitor and pull RRR out off it for a lil 1 one 1, mostly because from the above rules off 'community spirit', he didn't have the respect for conflicting views and that did struck a bad nerve ( what ya expect, I got a KOOLANCE ). But that's some time ago, I still see him posting he pukes on AL, and I let it go because it's his opinion and he isn't trying to shuff it down anyone's throat anymore.

[lennox]

I would just like to throw another offer to host this information for free. I have a series of servers that use over 230,000 Gb per month of bandwidth (1200 Mbps commit) so I'm positive some watercooling spreadsheets are not going to make a dent

[BlueAqua]

I think Martin's intent on removing of his data is to promote the users of XS to produce their own and promote learning. I never got the feeling that money was an issue for the server, he could have easily got it if that was the problem.

What we can do from here is work together and collectively to produce more data. Then we can analyze and scrutinize that data to promote useful discussion. I look forward to the next coming months.

[Xilikon]

I think Martin's intent on removing of his data is to promote the users of XS to produce their own and promote learning. I never got the feeling that money was an issue for the server, he could have easily got it if that was the problem.

What we can do from here is work together and collectively to produce more data. Then we can analyze and scrutinize that data to promote useful discussion. I look forward to the next coming months.

Same feeling myself. It's a thing to understand the testing data but another thing to get spoonfed with results and be content.

[aspire.comptech]

I don't think that the fact that the data was up there was preventing people from doing their own testing and I don't particularly think we're going to see much change in the matter.

Doing good testing takes money, time, and patience, things a lot of people lack including myself.

[fox3]

I think Martin's intent on removing of his data is to promote the users of XS to produce their own and promote learning. I never got the feeling that money was an issue for the server, he could have easily got it if that was the problem.

+1 This is how I interpreted his post.

[lennox]

Not everyone can devote the time, money, and sheer passion into testing products. Not everyone has the proper equipment, or can earn the respect of fellow XS members, or build a positive reputation with companies willing to send products for testing. Martin's earned my respect, and I respect whatever decision he makes, I would just hate to see all his efforts be nothing but a fond memory. Whatever the case may be, we should all just be grateful that Martin once graced us with his knowledge.

[Baleful]

I think Martin's intent on removing of his data is to promote the users of XS to produce their own and promote learning. I never got the feeling that money was an issue for the server, he could have easily got it if that was the problem.

What we can do from here is work together and collectively to produce more data. Then we can analyze and scrutinize that data to promote useful discussion. I look forward to the next coming months.

Same feeling myself. It's a thing to understand the testing data but another thing to get spoonfed with results and be content.

That's what I think Martin was getting at. I do feel it's a shame that he's pulling all the info and keeping it, but it is his data and his to do as he pleases.

Good luck in your future endeavors, one suggestion: If you like the outdoors, you could get into hunting, very peaceful . No wife, no kids, no dogs, no watercooling lol, just the peace and quiet of the outdoors.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

wayback machine returns nothing... at least you guys can access this, minus the images....

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...liquidlab.com+

[nikhsub1]

Well Martin I can't say I blame you, I'm actually surprised you stuck it out this long... People don't understand how laborious, tedious and time consuming it all is. I don't understand pulling all of your data, makes no sense to me whatsoever but as has been said, it is yours to do with what you want. There have been offers to host it, and I'll throw out another, I will host it too if you want I've already got a dedicated web server so it is no problem. I've been done testing for a while myself, my test bench is no longer. Anyway, I wish you the best man with whatever your next hobby is.

[Martinm210]

Sorry, the data is not coming back, let me try and explain my thoughts and decision.

I've shared what I've learned, you've had an opportunity to read through it up until yesterday, my mission of sharing what I've learned is done. I never said I would continue to publish my results in perpetuity. That costs money and frankly I'm not interested in doing that in any form. They are only tests and thoughts, tests by one person, using one particular method, and under one set of conditions. As I've heard before and agree with, there is no one perfect test that you can draw definitive conclusions from for every type of condition and I'm often wrong, and I make mistakes like everyone else. To really understand how anything performs you need a community of people willing to contribute to the cause, not any one person.

I've had to think back and dig deep to understand what it was that inspired me to spend so much time doing something that was over time lost. That core value and inspiration was nothing more than a desire for knowledge and thirst for learning. Even more specific it was the "Lack" of information and "Mystery" that made it so much fun for me. How does this perform, what happens if I do that...etc. There seemed to be much more testing interest in the forums when I first came here, there were alot of people testing and sharing of results, and "THAT" is what I enjoyed most about this place...the discussions about performance and figuring things out. So in some respects a "Lack" of information or data can be a good thing too.

Also, let's face it, performance differences between most of the parts out there is fairly small and insignificant depending on your values. So....over time I began to think perhaps my thought and mission to provide "Good Data" and help users make buying decisions was at the same time working against the incentive for other people to test.

So with that, I've decided the data itself just wasn't worth continuing to hold on to and was counterproductive in the incentives that made this hobby fun for me. There are alot of great testers in these forums and my one wish is for people to quit the bickering and post trolling and start testing and sharing of information.

Water cooling is supposed to be recreational, it's not mandatory, and it's not a perfect science. It took me a while to figure out what it was that made it fun for me, and I did what I needed to do to put the recreation back in it for me. Maybe it'll help mend some of the problems we've had in these forums too.

Money has nothing to do with it, it never has. I've always declined offers for advertising and even decline several offers to test and write for other sites. Of coarse there were many times when my wife gave me the evil eye as yet another box of parts arrived at the door, but in context it was a relatively cheap hobby. A couple of hundred bucks in testing gear and time, I can easily spend that in one family weekend. Everyone has always been very generous to me. It has never been about the money, hosting is not key to my decision, I've just simply lost interest testing and continuing to publish the data I've collected.

I just needed a break from it all and that included the website and data that's published. I can now completely relax, and I appreciate your support in that!

[charles_h]

Thank you for taking the time to explain your reasoning - your forthrightness as always, is genuinely appreciated. You've set the bar very high, not just with your testing, but also with your integrity and sincere enthusiasm. IMHO, you deserve to do what you choose with your body of work. I'm confident that folks like skinnee will rise to the occasion and perhaps not fill your shoes (I've heard he has small feet), but will continue on the path that you've created.

Cheers.

[[XC] riptide]

Martins made his case guys. I for one have a sad face on me.

Don't be a stranger here martin.

Anyways...

/... goes off to look at my copy of Martins site, spidercrawled and stored on my PC .. ///

I'll leave this thread open so well wishers can drop in and say hello-goodbye-whatever. It'll be closed in a few days.

[sirheck]

Always good to read your reviews.
Best wishes to you and yours.

Hope to see you chime in here from time to time.

[fasttruck860]

Good luck with everything Martin. You only have so much time to spend with the kids, so enjoy the time your given.

[HESmelaugh]

Thanks for the explanation. I applaud you for making the decision you believe is the right one as opposed to the decision that would please "the crowd".

[Waterlogged]

Sorry to see it come to this Martin, but I agree with you 100%.


To those that offered server space, I'd doubt you'd want to host his stuff anyway because aside from XS, there are at least 2 E-tailers I know of and IIRC, at least 2 manufacturers that were pointing to Martin's reviews, and I haven't even mentioned all the other forums (ooopps, just did ) that caught wind of his site. Needless to say, traffic would be very heavy indeed.