"ASUS P5Q Deluxe discussion".

[BRSG]

Hi guys!

Last night I thought that my vcore in bios was at 1.30 but it wasn't... It was defined at 1.25V!

It ran 10 flawless hours of prime95, no errors what so ever, but now I arrived home and windows had crashed I have Vista SP1 x86 installed and not quite sure why this is happening When I'm at the computer everything is ok...

Could it be the OS? Sometimes I really hate Vista and want to go back to XP Pro SP3... Maybe I get this stupid crashes solved

Now I made some changes in bios. Here's how I have it:

JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.0
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 450
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1081
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO

3rd Information :

WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: AUTO

CPU Voltage: 1.3250
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.24
DRAM Voltage: 2.1
NB Voltage: 1.30
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: 1.20
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.60

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.0
CPU VID: Disabled
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled


Do you have any suggestions to my Vista crashes?

And how about this bios settings, is it ok or do you suggest something?

[Big Lar]

@ True= Man, so Happy for you that you are good to go Been awhile!
@All, How many are running in Performance mode with CME? How are the results? Still on Optimal here.

Larry

[truehighroller]

@ True= Man, so Happy for you that you are good to go Been awhile!
@All, How many are running in Performance mode with CME? How are the results? Still on Optimal here.

Larry

Thank you, I had a BSOD with Optimal so went to performance but, my issue might have been as simple as voltage because I think I did end up upping it a tad in the BIOS after that and have been fine ever since but, man I was about ready to throw my through a window when I seen that lol..



@BSRG: What BIOS revision do you have and what CPU?

[BRSG]

@BSRG: What BIOS revision do you have and what CPU?

I have a Q9450 with 2 x 2GB Corsair Dominator PC2-8500! The bios revision is the latest, 1406!

Made a few changes, because I got errors at prime and memtest:


AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.0
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 450
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1081
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO

3rd Information :

WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: AUTO

CPU Voltage: 1.33125
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.67
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.67
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.24
DRAM Voltage: 2.14
NB Voltage: 1.30
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: 1.20
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.60

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.0
CPU VID: Disabled
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

[Big Lar]

Yeah, I had to bump my voltage up for the cpu in 1406 too. Nice bios tho!

Larry

[truehighroller]

Turn your gtls to .63 and see if it stops and turn down your vfsb to 1.22 I know not every chip is the same bla bla but, try it. You are having voltage issues I think some,, where along the line. I would try the gtl thing first though as This is prob what your issue is.

[BRSG]

Turn your gtls to .63 and see if it stops and turn down your vfsb to 1.22 I know not every chip is the same bla bla but, try it. You are having voltage issues I think some,, where along the line. I would try the gtl thing first though as This is prob what your issue is.

When you say glts do you mean CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2) or
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3) or both to 0.63?

[carepolice]

When you say glts do you mean CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2) or
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3) or both to 0.63?

Both, Try set memory to 1:1 during your cpu stablizing, after that move to memory oc!

[PiolhoSM]

It ran 10 flawless hours of prime95, no errors what so ever, but now I arrived home and windows had crashed I have Vista SP1 x86 installed and not quite sure why this is happening When I'm at the computer everything is ok...


DRAM Voltage: 2.1 --> 1.98/2.0
NB Voltage: 1.30 ---> 1.28
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.60 --> default..1.5?

try it...good luck.

[truehighroller]

try it...good luck.

If you are telling him to turn down the PCIE to 1.5 I think it overvolts bad when set like that. Correct me some one if I'm wong there but, I think he is better off leaving it at 1.6 if I am right.

[Big Lar]

If you are telling him to turn down the PCIE to 1.5 I think it overvolts bad when set like that. Correct me some one if I'm wong there but, I think he is better off leaving it at 1.6 if I am right.

Not entirely sure you are right, but I run mine at 1.6v as we all know the board overvolts/undervolts stuff like mad. 1 would think for a 16 supposed phase it would be set up correctly!

Larry

[BRSG]

Can't lower my ram voltage like you said PiolhoSM because 2.1 is the default vdimm of these Corsair ram sticks...

Running Prime95 and Memtest for 2 hours now and so far so good (although it seems that Core 1 tests are going very very slowly when compared to the other cpu cores):




AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.0
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 450
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1081
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual (timings: 5-5-5-15)

CPU Voltage: 1.33125
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.67
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.67
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.24
DRAM Voltage: 2.14
NB Voltage: 1.30
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: 1.20
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.60

[Big Lar]

I have a request.

I have asked Leeg if he would try it for me via PM and would like if others would try it for me as well, if not, no sweat. Anyone who has read the last coupla pages have probably noticed I am a bit bewildered with my vdimm,(ram) voltage on my board.

My request is; run 2.04 or 2.06v ram voltage and see if your system becomes Unstable with the P5Q Deluxe with anyone running bios 1406 please. I know this is an odd request and I usually Never ask for favors, but am asking now. Reason being, I can run my ram at 2.1v and pass 200% with Memtest HSI whereas with other bios 2.0/2.02v was max. This is with folks running the same or similar ram to mine, which is the F2-8000CL5d-4GBPQ.

Larry

[mac_69]

think the board overvolts ram by 0.08 from previous thread work, so you've got 2.202 there BRSG

I've got broadly similar settings, in my sig, but trying .63 GTLs and lower FSB and higher vcore 1.35 in an effort to get the shutdown problem sorted, okay so far, still despondant that this cpu needs more volts than most, and seems to hit the wall @ 3.6 max o/c, but at least its stable 24/7 3.6 with speedstep, so happy

back to testing

[PiolhoSM]

Can't lower my ram voltage like you said PiolhoSM because 2.1 is the default vdimm of these Corsair ram sticks...

i can run 2x2GB Gskill Pi PC-8000 (1000mhz) CL5 (default vcore 2.0/2.1v) at 1036mhz with 1.98 Vcore, that's why i recommend you to lower the memory voltage.

I have a request.

I have asked Leeg if he would try it for me via PM and would like if others

My request is; run 2.04 or 2.06v ram voltage and see if your system becomes Unstable with the P5Q Deluxe with anyone running bios 1406 please.

maybe i could help you... i'm with Bios 1103 and i can run 1036mhz (100% stable) with 1.98vcore...

[Dagalidis]

After a long Night of research my MEM OC limit, i found my best compo for P5Q (non PRO) and my Dominator 8500 DDRII...





BIOS 1406 ....

JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 9.0 / 8.0
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 340 / 455
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1118 / 1100
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 4
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 13
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO

3rd Information :

WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
AI Clock Twister: Stronger
AI Transaction Booster: MANUAL (PL5 at 340X9 - PL8 at 455X9)

CPU Voltage: 1.3250 at 455X8 - 1.2075 at 340X9
CPU GTL Voltage Reference : 0.63
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.58
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.28
DRAM Voltage: 2.0
NB Voltage: 1.36
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO
Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.0 - 9.0
CPU VID: Disabled
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Enabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Dimitris....

[Big Lar]

think the board overvolts ram by 0.08 from previous thread work, so you've got 2.202 there BRSG

I've got broadly similar settings, in my sig, but trying .63 GTLs and lower FSB and higher vcore 1.35 in an effort to get the shutdown problem sorted, okay so far, still despondant that this cpu needs more volts than most, and seems to hit the wall @ 3.6 max o/c, but at least its stable 24/7 3.6 with speedstep, so happy

back to testing

Still testing here too. I know the board overvolts, on mine it was .10. Just trying to see it there is a "Hole:.

Larry

[BRSG]

think the board overvolts ram by 0.08 from previous thread work, so you've got 2.202 there BRSG

I've got broadly similar settings, in my sig, but trying .63 GTLs and lower FSB and higher vcore 1.35 in an effort to get the shutdown problem sorted, okay so far, still despondant that this cpu needs more volts than most, and seems to hit the wall @ 3.6 max o/c, but at least its stable 24/7 3.6 with speedstep, so happy

back to testing

Humm.... Not sure if my board overvolts so I have to believe you on that one! One thing I know for sure, at 2.1V DRAM Voltage I got errors at Memtest and that's why I pushed it a little bit higher

Tomorrow I'll try to lower it to 2.12V to see if it remains error free at Memtest!

[mac_69]

Still testing here too. I know the board overvolts, on mine it was .10. Just trying to see it there is a "Hole:.

Larry

Humm.... Not sure if my board overvolts so I have to believe you on that one! One thing I know for sure, at 2.1V DRAM Voltage I got errors at Memtest and that's why I pushed it a little bit higher

Tomorrow I'll try to lower it to 2.12V to see if it remains error free at Memtest!

Umm I was just replying to BRSG, and don't rely on me, I'm just quoting what I read here ealrier in the thread regarding an earlier bios. No clue as to if the board overvolts have been fixed in 1406 bios. I know the Corsairs (from this and other threads) are quite tolerant on voltage

Okay, had an interesting day; tried reduced Vcore volts but failed prime after a couple of hours.

What I have now is a good 6hr test on prime of 1.35volts and 0.63 (both) GTLs. I know it seems a lot but this chip has always needed 1.34375volts for 3.6 stable

I'm running high 60s deg c with first core max 72deg C
This is in real temp with the intel recommended Tgmax

I'm actually very happy as:

1. temp maxes out there
2. 3.6 is fully stable
3. I have working speed step
and
4. I can shutdown from software

Kudos to the board and highroller; my shutdown problem disappeared when I reduced the GTLs and increased core

I am now using performance for cpu margin

Next stop is Vistax64 reload for ACHI mode and then RAM tweak (most left at default)

[mathewgx]

Dagalidis , do you really need that high nb voltage ?

[carepolice]

Dagalidis , do you really need that high nb voltage ?

Yeap, even you got 4GB of ram 1.3NB is pretty high value, i would try drop it mid 1.2 if that makes you feel fine!

[Dagalidis]

Yeap, even you got 4GB of ram 1.3NB is pretty high value, i would try drop it mid 1.2 if that makes you feel fine!

Look what i found....
I want PL 7 on my DDR..
So.
NB 1.30V = no Boot
1.32V = BSOD
1.34V = BSOD
1.36V = STABLE

Then i thought.... Why NOT try Lower Voltages...

NB 1.28V = BSOD
NB 1.26V = STABLE

OMG did i miss something HERE ?
i think its BIOS related problem and NBV 1.28 - 1.34 is messed by BIOS....

Now i can run perfectly stable without the fear of frying NB....
Thanks.....

[carepolice]

Look what i found....
I want PL 7 on my DDR..
So.
NB 1.30V = no Boot
1.32V = BSOD
1.34V = BSOD
1.36V = STABLE

Then i thought.... Why NOT try Lower Voltages...

NB 1.28V = BSOD
NB 1.26V = STABLE

OMG did i miss something HERE ?
i think its BIOS related problem and NBV 1.28 - 1.34 is messed by BIOS....

Now i can run perfectly stable without the fear of frying NB....
Thanks.....

Yay! Unexpected results

[truehighroller]

Umm I was just replying to BRSG, and don't rely on me, I'm just quoting what I read here ealrier in the thread regarding an earlier bios. No clue as to if the board overvolts have been fixed in 1406 bios. I know the Corsairs (from this and other threads) are quite tolerant on voltage

Okay, had an interesting day; tried reduced Vcore volts but failed prime after a couple of hours.

What I have now is a good 6hr test on prime of 1.35volts and 0.63 (both) GTLs. I know it seems a lot but this chip has always needed 1.34375volts for 3.6 stable

I'm running high 60s deg c with first core max 72deg C
This is in real temp with the intel recommended Tgmax

I'm actually very happy as:

1. temp maxes out there
2. 3.6 is fully stable
3. I have working speed step
and
4. I can shutdown from software

Kudos to the board and highroller; my shutdown problem disappeared when I reduced the GTLs and increased core

I am now using performance for cpu margin

Next stop is Vistax64 reload for ACHI mode and then RAM tweak (most left at default)

I have never had the shut down issue yet but, everyone else has it seems like . Glad I could help.


@BRSG: Looks from your last post like you just left your gtls where they were and went with it. lol. You are at 3.6GHZ,,

CPU Voltage: 1.33125
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.67 try .63
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.67 try .63
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.24 try 1.22 or lower try 1.18 or 1.20
DRAM Voltage: 2.14
NB Voltage: 1.30 Lower this to 1.28
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: 1.20
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.60



Try that mate,

[BRSG]

Ok... 11 hours completely stable cpu running prime95 with SmallFFT's! With MemTest for windows also zero errors with these settings:


AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.0
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 450
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1081
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual (timings: 5-5-5-15)

CPU Voltage: 1.33125
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.67
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.67
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.24
DRAM Voltage: 2.14
NB Voltage: 1.30
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: 1.20
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.60

@truehighroller: For now I'll let it running folding@home and later tonight when I get home let's see if windows crashed or not! If not I'll try to reduce DRAM Voltage to 2.12 and will run prime 95 again, but this time with blend test!

After that, and if all goes well after 2/3 days, I'll try your suggestions