Oh.. Okay, skipped that part. Glad you clarified that upOriginally Posted by evil-98
come on eddie... hes talking about the inserts that dont touch any water...
anyways
woot, that looks really nice
Oh.. Okay, skipped that part. Glad you clarified that upcome on eddie... hes talking about the inserts that dont touch any water...
anyways
woot, that looks really nice
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hha what exactly is the t3's target demographic if not the high end watercooler enthusiast?
(how far south texas?)
Lets make sure during one of these reviews someone mounts them in a nice case fills it up with Feser-One or a UV dye and bombs it with blacklight, because I'm seriously considering using this for my DAW.
Boxgods, looks nice!
Eddie...Nickel plated what... Nickel plated aluminum or nickel plated steel?
.....awesome defensive move on the "nickel plated" comment!
I know where you're coming from brother! It's the XS conditioning....
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I don't have an extra case I can mount it in...but your request is noted!
The two halves are actually bonded together with a process called immersion welding. By "glued" I meant guys at home who may not have the tanks etc to do that.
From a design perspective (aka my opinion) the screws and O ring gasket system just has too many downsides. The added complexity boosts costs, increases user error which increases tech support issues/complaints, reduces internal volume, and is a nightmare to produce with injection molding. The company that is producing the T3 and I went round and round on wall thickness because of sag or slump--both of which look like crap.
My original version had the face as a separate part that uses an O ring and screws and the front was just too busy looking. I then moved the O ring/face to the back and thought I had the aesthetic problem beat...but it was WORSE because the part is clear it MAGNIFIED the O ring and screws lol. It also made the part so deep that draft went up to 5 degrees...
With all things taken into consideration immersion welded halves worked out best.
No I can't (again I only did the design work and don't work for Primo).Can you release any info on how the separate ghost barbs will be priced?
Excellent product.
I know the metal Ghosts are for sale already so their price point is established. I would imagine the polycarbonate versions will be cheaper though I have no idea by how much. Injected polycarbonate parts are cheaper per part right up till you add in the tooling. I saw the tooling estimate for the whole line of fittings/plumbing parts this AM and I can say VERY seriously say that you could buy a nice car for less...neighborhood of $20K - $25K. You have to sell a LOT of parts at $2 USD a pop to even break even lol.
Frankly that's why modders and w/c guys don't already have killer polycarbonate fittings already is that no company wants to wait a few years to see a return on that big an investment. My hats off to Brian because if he goes ahead with this he is basically self financing a BIG group buy so we have killer parts.
Well, about as far South as you can go...like throw a rock 3 times and hit Mexico almost lol.
The target demographic is those people wanting a quality part that makes water cooling a little bit easier. Everyone in here already knows all the benefits of water cooling are substantial...so why aren't a LOT more people doing it? Difficulty, fear etc. Water cooling is nowhere near the "black art" it was back when we were cross drilling copper slugs for blocks but it is still harder then slapping an air cooler on.
So my goal for this product (and most of the recent designs I have worked on) was making it easier to mount a pump in the most obvious and convenient location, placing the connections for plumbing in a more accessible location not only on the part, but in relation to the parts installed location. Also to make filling, bleeding air, and flushing coolant as straight forward and simple as possible for ANY installed location or component combination. I don't think there is an easier solution on the market.
I still wanted it to be cool enough and useful enough for more experienced users and have enough potential to appeal to modders (my days of hard core cooling are mostly gone as I now water cool because it makes mods LOOK cooler).
A lot of the guys in here are the type to change out a pump top for a new one that has 1% better raw performance. That's not T3. That said, T3 will still help every hard core guy in here (I hope) because it will make things easier for new users and casual water coolers. More people in the fold makes it a more attractive market segment so companies can also turn out the very low margin parts you guys like to tinker with for Halo effect.
I am just about positive Primo Chill would prefer they use the Primo Chill line of fluids
Rocky is also correct. None of the brass parts are in contact with cooling fluid. The only reason they are even plating the inserts is because I about croaked when I saw the garish brass ones...was a funny conversation with the Chinese rep:
Geno: WTF! Thats a LOT of brass. We are going to need those to be stainless or aluminum.
Rep: What wrong Brass? It warm and traditional metal.
Geno: Yeah, for bullet casings and boat parts maybe. Has to be a silver color. Can you plate those?
Rep: West is crazy. Yes plating is OK but will be more cost.
He actually said we were crazy lol.
Thank you for your replies BoxGods.
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Looks great! I'm looking forward to trying it out. I used to be a T-line guy, but after using the XSPC restop on my DDC, I like the res/pump combos...
Okay, I suppose 'glue' just scared me. "Immersion welding" sounds better. I'd like to be getting one of these alone or with metal barbs very soon.
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thanks very much, it doesn't have to be a case just filling it with some Primochill PC-ICE and a UV light would be very helpfulI don't have an extra case I can mount it in...but your request is noted!
Yes... where are my manners, I don't use Fexer-0n3, I don't even know ehat that is, honest.I am just about positive Primo Chill would prefer they use the Primo Chill line of fluids
WoW How handy is THAT? Sorry for the log jam of posts everyone. My forums are not nearly this fancy =)Thank you for your replies BoxGods.
As a future note, next to the "quote" button, there is the "multi-quote" button. This allows you to add all your quotes up into one post. Simply click on the multi quote button of every post that you want to quote until you get to the very last post that you want to quote. On that last post, just click the regular quote and it will have all of those posts quoted for you in one reply.
Could you also tell me how you answer a PM without having to use the quote button? I can't find a "reply" button lol.
Well, if your picturing how dual bay reservoirs have been built to this point I don't blame you. Those are traditionally 6 rectangles flat glued which of course sucks. The T3 only has one seam and it is a stepped or rabbited joint like this:
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there are actually 3 bonding surfaces. That said, I don't want to mislead you though either. It is still a type of glue. How it works is that each half is placed joint down in a tray with 3 or 4 mm of a special solvent and left there for about 60 or so seconds. This is the immersion part and completely covers all the bonding surfaces of both parts without relying on wicking. It basically melts those surfaces so that when the two halves are clamped together they infuse into a monolithic structure. Because the joint area is mass balanced (the area near the bonding edge on each part have the same general dimensions and mass) the two halves contract and expand at the same rate from temperature changes.
The joint is so tight that prior to the immersion you cant push the parts together as there is ZERO clearance. This also makes it impossible to separate the halves for modders which is why they will be sold on Primo's site unassembled for modders wanting to change out the wheels, add lights...or w/e they dream up.
It also saved tooling costs as both the standard and the pumped version share a common front. That lets me just design new backs, like the dual DDC without jacking the cost up out of reach. It also means we could make a different base for those wanting to use the pumps, but not in a bay...or add a middle section to increase volume, or mount a pump back directly to an acrylic case etc. We can also cast the pump rears in different plastics and colors, like black delrin for example while retaining a clear front.
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the brass is killer, Id be far more inclined to buy one of these if it had brass inserts and not generic aluminum/streel with plating.
Think of the quote button as Reply, the PM system just includes original in all replies.
The reason I say that, there isn't a reply button, just Forward and Quote.
Also, on the topic of brass and plating. Will the inserts be nickel plated brass or nickel plated steel? Sorry if I missed this in one of your posts.
Email Brian at Primo Chill and he may be able to have them do up one with brass.
The base metal will be brass and the plating will likely be chrome...maybe zinc as shiny chrome may be too much.Think of the quote button as Reply, the PM system just includes original in all replies.
The reason I say that, there isn't a reply button, just Forward and Quote.
Also, on the topic of brass and plating. Will the inserts be nickel plated brass or nickel plated steel? Sorry if I missed this in one of your posts.
Also, if I didn't answer anyones question after a reasonable time and have answered others posted after yours I may have missed it. Just ask again please. I am watching 4-5 pages in half a dozen T3 forum threads (and growing) and it's a good bit to keep up with, (especially with Portal: Prelude just out =) You guys are the easiest bunch of the lot. Seems like on the rest I explain how the front ports work for fill/bleed/drain 3-4 times and people STILL post 3-4 posts later that they don't get it. Probably time for an illustration.
See, and vendors/manufacturers are scared of us. We're just a knowledgable bunch is all.
Brian received the production samples in today. A little worse for wear--one broken and the rest got a few scratches, but other wise OK. Rough ride in from China looks like. He is tracking down the assorted O rings etc. you guys will need to run water through them. I will let you know when they ship.
Turns out the scratches were from some cleaning solution left in the mold tooling so that is a relief. They are shipping a new batch and these will have the plated inserts too so if it is OK with you guys I would rather just ship out those. That and the fact that Brian accidentally tested one to failure...I will ask him if I can post the video as he makes a fairly unmanly sound when it goes off lol.
Had it on the bench filled with water, then used a big compressor to REALLY pump it up. No problem till it slides off the bench and makes the 3 foot fall to concrete...you guys remember those water rockets we played with as kids? Picture that, but with the sound a 6' 3" lumberjack makes when he makes a seat cushion vanish lol.
No worries, ship them whenever you are satisfied!
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