ASUS P5B-Deluxe; Problems & Fixes

[cchilb]

Here is the results of the 1237 bios. I have the memory running at 2.1v 4-4-4-12-4 at 450mhz. E8500 E0 at 450 x 9.5 at 1.312v.

I am very pleased with this setup.

[unclewebb]

cchilb: What sort of voltages are you using for the nb/sb etc? I've had good success with the northbridge set to 1.55 volts in the bios, southbridge to 1.6 volts, ICH to the highest setting (~1.21 volts) and the FSB termination voltage at 1.30 volts with my E8400. Your results look excellent.

I just installed the 12.37 bios as well and it seems good so far. Thanks sxs112. I had random problems before when I was in the bios and making some adjustments it would lock up and I'd have to reboot. I thought it might be memory related but with the new bios and my old memory I haven't seen this problem yet.

It will be another couple of days until I can start playing with my OCZ 9200 Reapers. Hoping to see some sky high memory MHz out of them!

I prefer Prime95 version 25.6 to Orthos.

Here's where the latest beta versions of RealTemp are located:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...alTempBeta.zip

Start Minimized is much improved in Vista.

[cchilb]

At 450x9.5 its FSB-1.30,NB-1.25,SB-1.50,ICH-1.057
At 480x9.0 its FSB-1.30,NB-1.55,SB-1.60,ICH-1.215
I can load windows at 500x8.5 but hard lock on desktop I think the memory is giving up.

Unclewebb post your results when you get the OCZ 9200 Reapers in, if its good I may order some from newegg. Can you run your memory at anything other than 1-1 overclocked?
The only problem I have with the E8500 E0 is saving the chip voltage in bios. The 1236 and 1237 does the same thing. When I save its fine until I go back into bios to make a change. When I go back in and look at the voltage it will be on Auto in Yellow. As long as I don't change anything in bios it will still be what I set it at, but if I change anything the yellow goes back to blue but you can't get rid of the auto then you have to save out then go back in to set the voltage. The only problem is while under auto with it overclocked it puts 1.55 volts to my chip. The only way around this that I have found is I have to set AI Tuning to Auto and save out then go back in to bios set it back to manual and put in my voltage.

[DOM.]

anyone know if the fsb termination voltage can be volt modded ?

also ASUS P5B Deluxe 1237 Beta Bios is that a leaked bios ? im guessing yes

[[XC] Hicks121]

anyone know if the fsb termination voltage can be volt modded ?

Why would you want/need to do that? If i kick mine up all the way, im good for 583fsb without any voltmods, just the pencil vdroop mod.

[DOM.]

cuz im at a 480 wall on this Q and also was with E6400 even after I modded the Vcore, Vmch & Vdimm

what Rev. is your mobo and im sure your running a dual core right

[[XC] Hicks121]

cuz im at a 480 wall on this Q and also was with E6400 even after I modded the Vcore, Vmch & Vdimm

what Rev. is your mobo and im sure your running a dual core right

Ahh, ok, quads tend to suck on this board. my x3210 wouldnt go over 3.4 no matter what volts i kicked thru it. On my max formula its nice @ 3.6.

Some boards just have a fsb wall.

Ya, i actually have 2 p5b-d's. Got my e8400 @ 4.2 & my e6600 @ 3.8.

Rev 1.03g

You actively cooling the mosfetts? They need it. Specially with a quad.

[cchilb]

Well here is the results with my new 4x1 gig sticks of Cell Shock DDR2 PC2-8000 CL4 1000mhz 4-4-4-12. All 4 sticks in P5B with only pencil mod for voltage drop. 530x9.0 FSB-1.30, NB-1.45, SB-1.60,ICH-1.057, memory at 2.1 4-4-4-12-4 at 1060mhz. This memory has made all the difference in the world on this board. Here is a few pictures of my beast. Its in a Cooler Master RC-690.

[DOM.]

Ahh, ok, quads tend to suck on this board. my x3210 wouldnt go over 3.4 no matter what volts i kicked thru it. On my max formula its nice @ 3.6.

Some boards just have a fsb wall.

Ya, i actually have 2 p5b-d's. Got my e8400 @ 4.2 & my e6600 @ 3.8.

Rev 1.03g

You actively cooling the mosfetts? They need it. Specially with a quad.

yeah at 3.6ghz its at 1.4v on the fsb and 1.3v-core load but anything above i need alot of of v-core to get it to bench and im thinking its the fsb volts cuz on the newer mobos there runing 3.8GHz at like 1.4-1.45v-core and i need like 1.65v so it wont lock up

and yes the mosfetts have hs on them and a fan

so it looks like I need a new mobo to see if i cant get more then 3.8ghz

[Nasgul]

I just can't still grasp the idea that one can use a 1.32v with a 1.20ghz overclock.

Most E6600 and Q6600 that I've seeing doing 3.60ghz and above require 1.50v and above, my E6600 has to have 1.55v and fsb 1.50v. and is still able to finish benches with 53c as high temps.

When I get my Q6600 I know I won't expect to bump the Vc to 1.35v and get to 3.60ghz, at least 1.55v min, although I will try a tad less to start. I know the P5B-Deluxe P965 is a badass board, it's the P45 of 2006.

[unclewebb]

cchilb: As soon as I saw your screen shot I knew I couldn't go to bed without seeing what the Reapers could do.

This is strictly a suicide run with more voltage for everything than I care to admit. I've learned like you that you can get some pretty impressive memory bandwidth out of this old chipset with some modern memory. I picked up my 2x1GB OCZ-9200 Reapers for $60 CDN from NCIX. I mailed in my $25 rebate to OCZ today which will cut the cost of that big investment even further! I know their reputation for rebates is horrible but at that price, who cares.

My 24/7 setting is likely going to be DDR2-1000 (500 MHz) with CL4-4-4 timings. I ran some MemTest86+ on it earlier today at a bios setting of 2.15 volts and there were a couple of errors each pass so I bumped it up to 2.25 volts in the bios and it ran nice and clean. I really like that program for initial testing so you don't have to worry about booting up and nuking Windows.

My E8400 - C0 is voltage hungry compared to the new E0 CPUs that I've seen but it still runs decently after loads of abuse.



Some modern memory and the 1237 bios has this old girl running like a champ.

Edit: Just noticed this huge difference between the old C0 and the new E0. Very interesting.



Edit 2: The latest RealTemp version looks a little better for Vista users when they double click on it and use Mini Mode.
Read about it here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2329

[unclewebb]

cchilb: I'm very interested in the increased L2 cache latency issue for the E0 vs C0. In a lot of benchmarks it doesn't make any difference but one user reported a big hit in Vantage. Can you try running MemBench in ScienceMark 2.0? It's freeware and is available here:

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/170/

The testing of L2 is more in depth than Everest. I'm using Vista x86 and I used a nice and conservative 4000MHz (8 x 500MHz) so I could run my memory at DDR2-1000 with CL4 timings. My memory was out partying last night so I'm trying to take it easy on it this morning.

[hatakiller]

is any1 running vista 64 on this board? the reason i ask is that im finally gona upgrade my system, i had the p5b dlx since launch and finally gona get a q6600 for it but i want to go vista so i can run 4g of ram. anyways the reason i ask is because i lloked for the vista lan drivers on asus website and their seem to be none. is there anyway i can use either of the integrated lan on this board? like a homemade driver perhaps? i hope some 1 can plz point me in the right direction....thx in advance

[Nasgul]

This board is two years old..........

When I installed Vista (32-bit) I practically didn't have to install anything at all, pretty much every driver installed itself, I didn't use the disc that came with it or downloaded and installed software from the Asus site.

But nevertheless, I installed the inf drivers (a.k.a. Chipsets) and the IMSM (for RAID).

And now that I remember, I had the computer plugged into the Marvell Yukon LAN controller (I don't use the PCI-Lan controller, disabled in the BIOS) and pretty much it went smooth from there......But then again I'm not on a 64-bit OS.

I've been running Vista now for 3, 4 weeks? Something like that, and I like Vista and yesterday I put this Q6600 on my sig doing right out of the box 350x9, just like my old E6600. Running cool under the Tuniq Tower 120.

Good luck with your process and don't be surprised once Vista starts doing all the work for ya....it's sweet.

[hatakiller]

thx for the reply nasgul, i guess if worse comes to worse ill just get the 32bit version, can u plz tell me what vcore u got that q6600? im a noob but i mananged to get my e6400 to 3ghz ill be pretty happy if i can get 3.15 quad

[Nasgul]

The Vc I'm using right now seems high but I'm yet to play with it a little more.

My previous CPU, an E6600 which I got the first week Conroe was released, I set it to AUTO for Vc and it was using the exact same Vc my Q6600 is using, 1.39v. The Q6600 is a new revision so I'm thinking in setting it to 1.35v or less....I'll figure it out when I have more time to play with it, I'm just too lazy right now. And BTW, my E6600 ran for two years with a 1.39v at the same 350x9.

32-bit ain't that bad, I'm liking this new Vista Ultimate OS a lot better now than XP Pro, so I'm glad I waited for SP1 first.

One last thing, there's a Q6600 database thread, so for any future references you can check that link and see what some fellas are using for OC'ing their Q6600s and what Vc they're using.
Just know and notice that not all motherboards have the same settings as the P5B-Deluxe, apparently after the P965, the newer boards have a lot more to tweak in their BIOS and that's why I didn't get a new board for my Q6600, I'm lazy to be tweaking 5,6 or 7 extra values to achieve what I can with my P5B-D. So.......check out that thread as well, it'd be very helpful.

[hatakiller]

thats kinda high for my taste i dont have a tuniq, i have a tt big typhon, maybe ill try and c what kinda speed i can get at 1.35 i was hoping i could stay with 1.30 , thats what i been running on my e6400 all this time at 380x8

thx i had a look at the q6600 thread, the thing i didnt like is that i didnt find an oc with a p5b dlx is all new boards on there, oh well i was hoping i could see some p5b bios screenies, ill just find my own sweet spot

[DOM.]

im runing Vista Ultimate 64bit on one one HD I just installed the Marvell Yukon LAN from the cd that came with the motherboard and did the update for vista and it dl the latest ver

[cchilb]

Unclewebb I will run the test and post it today or tomorrow. Glad to see you got yours up and running with the Reapers. I have been spending the last couple of days getting my 24/7 setup tweaked. This is going to be it at 8.5x500 for 4250mhz.

[cchilb]

Here is the test unclewebb.

[unclewebb]

cchilb: Very nice looking 24/7 settings. Your Cell Shock DDR2 PC2-8000 is working excellent for you.
I thought these old boards were lousy with 4 sticks of memory.

Your combo seems to be able to run CL4 with less voltage than my PC2-9200 Reapers need on this board. What bios memory voltage setting are you using in that screen shot above? I need a bios setting of 2.25 volts to run CL4 timings at DDR2-500 speeds 100% reliably.

I like a quiet system so I have my Tuniq on low. The extra voltage my C0 E8400 needs to run at 4250 for 24/7 isn't practical so I usually run 500x8 or 450x9. I haven't had enough time to play recently but 450x9 allows me to run the memory at DDR2-1125 CL5 which might be doable 24/7 without needing too much memory voltage.

I read about the E0 vs C0 cache latency issue a while ago and I'm interested in learning whatever I can about it. The one review I read showed a lot of benchmarks done at the same MHz that were about equal for the E0 and C0. The extra overclocking ability of the E0 usually puts it out ahead.

Edit: Thanks for the update. Is that at 4000MHz or 4250MHz? I'll re-run my test at 4250 if that is what your test is at. L2 cache latency doesn't seem to be an issue with the new E0 during this test.

[cchilb]

That is at 4250mhz. I am running 2.1 volts in bios on memory at 500x8.5.

[chuckbam]

cchilb,
Where did you get that memory benchmark. I have not seen that one before.



Does anyone have a preference on what Ethernet controller to use?




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[mine]

first results with a brandnew 9550 E 0 and bios 1237
2x 2GB RAM (Apogee 1150)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=203142

1237 bios always returns to auto Vcore
and wrong multipliers
very annoying situation

my only workaround so far : saving bios settings to a OC profile

best

M

[Nasgul]

cchilb,
Where did you get that memory benchmark. I have not seen that one before.
Does anyone have a preference on what Ethernet controller to use?

you try running MemBench in ScienceMark 2.0?

It's freeware and is available here:

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/170/

I use the Marvel Yukon controller........so that I can take the stress off the North-Bridge (a.k.a. PCI-Lan controller), or is it south? Can't remember but I use the Yukon.