Does AMD Overdrive work for you?

[Polaco]

I wonder if "Cool And Quiet" can be enabled in the BIOS or should always be disabled when using AOD?
I guess AOD can disable it when it's activated and then restore it to it's original value or not?

thanks a lot,

Polaco.

[macci]

I wonder if "Cool And Quiet" can be enabled in the BIOS or should always be disabled when using AOD?
I guess AOD can disable it when it's activated and then restore it to it's original value or not?

thanks a lot,

Polaco.

Hi Polaco,

You can leave CnQ enabled in the SBIOS if you want and then enable / disable it from Windows via the Power Option menu in Windows Control Panel (Balanced or Power Saver modes enable CnQ and High Performance mode disables CnQ). This way you dont need to reboot to enable it.

CnQ should be disabled when using AOD for CPU multiplier Overclocking. AOD doesnt automatically disable/enable CnQ in the currently available version.

[Polaco]

Oki!
Thanks a lot Macci.
It will be great for newbies if AMD or someone release a guide of system tuning/overclocking on a pure AMD-ATI system. What are the benefits of oc each feature and the cares one should take.
A tool could be better if people know how to use it at it's best.

do you see this happening sometime?

thank a lot for your help.

Polaco.

[soundood]

so there yu have it, a third of AOD users cant get it to work.

not that impresive really, considering that it is one of there main marketing tools.

and i will accept this as final.

better luck next time AMD, i wonder what revision will ever work?

[kazgirl]

so there yu have it, a third of AOD users cant get it to work.

not that impresive really, considering that it is one of there main marketing tools.

and i will accept this as final.

better luck next time AMD, i wonder what revision will ever work?

I think your being a bit harsh there....

Its quite possible that of the users that report it not working there are configuration or compatability issues, or issues related to factors outside of AMD's control, such as BIOS availability, user knowledge etc..etc.. to name but a few...

It would be helpful if there were a user friendly users guide for AOD, produced either by AMD or mobo manufacturers, or even both in conjunction to assist users implement AOD correctly, however the very nature of AOD is that it is meant for the enthusiast who should be pretty familiar with a lot of issues that can occur anyway, its not a big stretch to say that of the 1/3rd of users that are having difficulty some will be users who are newcomers to overclocking, in fact its to be expected that a lot of newcomers will be trying AOD I guess, and as such its possible that they aren't familiar with troubleshooting issues as they occur.... the other main issue is of course compatability and thrid party support for AOD such as BIOS upgrades etc....

The fact that the majority of users report that AOD works confirms that the issue is not so much with AOD but more likely rests with factors outside of AMD's control, as such your statement "better luck next time AMD, i wonder what revision will ever work?" is entirely inaccurate......

[charged3800z24]

I think your being a bit harsh there....

Its quite possible that of the users that report it not working there are configuration or compatability issues, or issues related to factors outside of AMD's control, such as BIOS availability, user knowledge etc..etc.. to name but a few...

It would be helpful if there were a user friendly users guide for AOD, produced either by AMD or mobo manufacturers, or even both in conjunction to assist users implement AOD correctly, however the very nature of AOD is that it is meant for the enthusiast who should be pretty familiar with a lot of issues that can occur anyway, its not a big stretch to say that of the 1/3rd of users that are having difficulty some will be users who are newcomers to overclocking, in fact its to be expected that a lot of newcomers will be trying AOD I guess, and as such its possible that they aren't familiar with troubleshooting issues as they occur.... the other main issue is of course compatability and thrid party support for AOD such as BIOS upgrades etc....

The fact that the majority of users report that AOD works confirms that the issue is not so much with AOD but more likely rests with factors outside of AMD's control, as such your statement "better luck next time AMD, i wonder what revision will ever work?" is entirely inaccurate......

Exactly...I don't see how I can run AOD on three totally different boards and not have these major issues being talked about, that make it so you say "bad lil AMD..Bad"..A FREE app given with intent to help aid in tweaking, and not guaranteed by AMD to work with all boards..since it is baord manufactures choice to emplament features to work with it. That is why you do not always see the CPU Core Voltage or Mem voltage etc show for everyone. My Sapphire 780g board has a new bios that has the option for AOD compatibility mode. when on..it turns of all controls in bios that AOD would best control. But both ( on or off) work almost the same. So I must just get the good downloads of all the versions I run, since Mine work fine...?

[Aussie FX]

Macci I have found that my core speed for my 4870 is not being read in AOD 2.1.4. Memory speed is ok.
MB is Gigabyte 790GP bios is F2A.

4870 is Gigabyte too.

[charged3800z24]

Macci I have found that my core speed for my 4870 is not being read in AOD 2.1.4. Memory speed is ok.
MB is Gigabyte 790GP bios is F2A.

4870 is Gigabyte too.

mine does only when I use the stock bios. But it does show either way under system info diagram tab.. well mine is a HD 4850,....with RBE bios...

[nanohead]

I loaded AOD 2.14 onto the M3A79-T system today and it works very well (for AOD that is). I was truly surprised how smooth the whole experience was finally. We are definitely getting there....for sure

[demonkevy666]

Exactly...I don't see how I can run AOD on three totally different boards and not have these major issues being talked about, that make it so you say "bad lil AMD..Bad"..A FREE app given with intent to help aid in tweaking, and not guaranteed by AMD to work with all boards..since it is baord manufactures choice to emplament features to work with it. That is why you do not always see the CPU Core Voltage or Mem voltage etc show for everyone. My Sapphire 780g board has a new bios that has the option for AOD compatibility mode. when on..it turns of all controls in bios that AOD would best control. But both ( on or off) work almost the same. So I must just get the good downloads of all the versions I run, since Mine work fine...?

jetway 780G board has that too.

I want know something since you used the MSI K9A2 platinum.

in AOD under stats tab in motherboard status it show VCore at 1.3 also it shows Vin,1,2,3,4

1.08
0.86
0.86
0.71

I wanted to know if this normal and if it's all equal on the sb750 ?

[SocketMan]

This is facking painful too read,I had to stop after 2 pages so I don't
know if someone mentioned that a guy named KTE had the AX78 and in
fact gave a full list full of problems (with the board) to the Abit.

Aod has worked for me on:
MSIK9A2/DFI790fxM2r/AsusM3a/DFI790gx

Hell the earlier versions even work on my NF4 Expert and Infinity m2/g

The Asus M3a (770 chipset) is very limited in terms of AOD's usability,and
believe me I wasn't too pleased to find that out
It's only about 20% usability (in terms of the AOD's sliders/indicators) where's
with the DFI's it's 100% .I don't think there is a 770 based board
with complete AOD support,if there was a lot of people would have gotten
that instead of 790fx.

Anyway just wanted to say (after reading first 2 pages )that if you lay blame on AMD for the manufacturer's screw ups that's not exactly fair.

[GD5015]

so there yu have it, a third of AOD users cant get it to work.

not that impresive really, considering that it is one of there main marketing tools.

and i will accept this as final.

better luck next time AMD, i wonder what revision will ever work?

Once again you speak without using what intelligence you do possess. I am one of the 30% and no where did I say I can't get it to work. I have noticed several other posters say the same thing. So the real point of this poll seems to be to find fault at any cost.

AMD makes no warranty claim for AOD, it is a free program that is useful to the majority of AMD users. You are unlucky enough to not be included in this group. Unfortunate for sure, but hardly a reason for AMD to stop all production and write new code specifically for your system. AMD continues to service the program, address issues, and release updates. Others with your motherboard have had AOD run. This suggests a configuration issue and not a hardware specific issue. No one in their right mind would expect software to run on 100% of all configurations, especially on hardware that the manufacturer is discontinuing, yet you do.

I would be willing to go out on a limb here and suggest that Abit may have short-changed their customers, knowing that they had no intention of keeping them. Hope your next venture is more fruitful for you.

[MrMojoZ]

I would be willing to go out on a limb here and suggest that Abit may have short-changed their customers, knowing that they had no intention of keeping them. Hope your next venture is more fruitful for you.

This is exactly what I and others have told this person but he won't listen.

[SocketMan]

Macci I have found that my core speed for my 4870 is not being read in AOD 2.1.4. Memory speed is ok.
MB is Gigabyte 790GP bios is F2A.

4870 is Gigabyte too.

Same here: just says 0.
HIS 4850 single or CF on DFI LP 790gx
09/18/2008 beta bios,was the same thing on the stock BIOS and on the ASUS M3a

[Hardwood]

With 2.1.4 my # of gpu cores is still at 4 in Vistax86. I thought at one time they were simply reading as duplicate pairs but I was mistaken. As an example I had AOD open on the extended monitor while running TigerWoods 2008 and I see only one core is used (no duplicate), turning up the eye candy and all four were back in use. Another game had 3 cores at 825 (normal 3d speed) and one at 300. ACK!! Fairly strange considering I only have one 3870x2.
On the bright side, I created a minor oc and saved the profile as the default named profile, returned to default settings, shut down AOD, started Fusion with AOD selected and it turned on the OCs. Very good! When disengaging Fusion the overclocks returned to normal values.

[nanohead]

Well, with the new Asus M3A79-T, and AOD 2.14, I have found the whole experience to be quite good finally.

AOD actually works VERY well finally. As does RAIDExpert and CCC 8.9

As a matter of fact, it all works together in a bizarre way, and it looks like the software development teams inside AMD/ATI are actually communicating with each other on some level

2.14 solved nearly all the problems I was having. And with a couple of hacks to remove some obvious safeties from the config files, AOD has become a respectable overclocking tool finally.

I remember the early days of NTune also from Nvidia. That was just as nasty, and even more crash prone on certain motherboards. Only the true OEM/ODM companies set their BIOS up to support it (Foxconn/Jetway/EVGA/BFG)

All the others were a mess all the time

[Morais]

People, lets be more friendly with each other, important informations are being reported here for our own good.
...
I really hope AOD to be released under Linux.If yes, I'd jump to AMD in a second.

[SocketMan]

Another "issue" here on the 790gx from DFI- when changing the HTT reference
with AOD it does change but AOD is not showing the difference.
For example when changing a multy with AOD it shows the "new" speed
in the "current speed" indicator, but not with HTT neither for NB or HT.
IT only shows 2.5 or 2.6 but not 2.63 etc.NB would show AS 2200 BUT 2222
WHEN htt IS CHANGED.
tHE VIDEO RAM AMOUNT shows 192 not 512 on 2 machines.

I guess to get Macci's attention we'll have to start insulting AMD and
saying that we'll leap forward with Intel if he doesn't respond
just kidding,but would be nice to get some info.

[soundood]

Told Ya So, 2.1.4 doesnt solve a thing apart from AHCI and RAID issues

forgive me if this statement seems a little understated

[kazgirl]

C'mon Soundood.....

'fess up.... your poll shows that the majority of users report AOD as working.

Are there still problems...???......YES..!!!!

Are those problems the fault of AMD..???....NO..!!!

Majority of issues reported can be linked to inadequate BIOS support for AOD....!!!!

AOD and the way it works.... is to link directly to the system BIOS from the Windows environment and make on-the-fly changes.... the very nature of these types of changes can and will cause instability, system freezes, lock-ups, BSOD's, RSOD's....etc..etc.... AOD tells you this each and every time you start it up...!!!!!

AOD is an aid to overclocking and system monitoring, nothing more...nothing less.....

its a tool... like all tools, it will sometimes be the right tool for the job, and at other times it will not.... depending on whether or not it is suitable for the job.

Consider the following analogy:

If you are hanging a picture on a wall, what do you use...????...

Sticky tape..??, A nail..???, a screw..??, a picture hook.....??

Depends on a number of factors...right..???

What's the wall surface material, - plaster..??, wood..??, concrete..??, metal..??
Whats the picture... - a poster...???, a framed print...???, a canvass oil painting..??, a precious work of art.....???

Each has its own place.... and you choose the right tool for the job, you might not need the hammer and nail to hang a poster and sticky tape will do, but you are still glad of a hammer and nail when you need to hang a framed print...!!!

OK we get it..... AOD doesn't work on your current system, so its not the tool for the job for you.... right now....

But if/when you get a system that it does work on, what do you use, the sticky tape to hang a framed painting or the hammer and nail, that you kept for just such a job.... even though it wasn't needed for the poster...

AOD is a tool.....GET IT...??? Its one of many.....!!!!

The more tools there are the easier it can be to get a job done.....

using the analogy above..... lets say you move to a new home.... you want to hang some pictures..... you have an assortment of pictures... posters, framed prints, a family portrait.....

But all you have is some sticky tape, what do you do, you can get the posters put up, but you can't finish the job and put up the others because you don't have the right tools...!!!!!!!

AOD will NEVER be able to provide 100% support for all systems..... it was never meant to.... its simply another tool that has been provided for users to try.... there will be version after versin after version as it tries to accomodate new technology..... just like other tools..... how many releases of CPU-Z have there been, how many releases of any such tool that you would like to mention have there been.....

The fact that there have been as many versions of AOD as there has been, is testimony to AMD's support for their users..... they could have just abandoned this tool if they so wished.... but instead they keep working on ways of improving it to benefit users......

I for one am grateful for that effort from AMD...!!!

And once again you contradict yourself in your statement..

Told Ya So, 2.1.4 doesnt solve a thing apart from AHCI and RAID issues

The contradiction in those words is so blatant, that it just serves to remind us of how blinkered you are in your observations on AOD.... 2.1.4 soves nothing..???

Well it solves AHCI and RAID issues.... which was a problem reported as affecting users, and it has now been solved.

Maybe it shouldn't have been a problem in the first place, but it was and now its been fixed....what more can you ask for... should we ask AMD to do the impossible and travel back in time and ensure that the original release incorporates all the fsolutions to problems that have been discovered ONLY through its use by a wider variety of users.... of course not..!!!!!!

AMD has done the right thing, by doing its best to fix any problems as and when they occur...... thats about all that anyone can ask..!!!!!

Here endeth the lesson.......!!!!!!!!!!!

[soundood]

all i can say is wow, you must type at 60 words a minute or something, trust me i am past 'hating' AOD, to be honest i never did hate it, i just think that it 'should' be 100% for all 770 boards upwards, and it isnt, so thats that for me.

opinion is a great thing, my worries at the moment involve the words 'pension' and 'up **** creek without a paddle'

i was reading somewhere on the forum you have placed an order with oFFike for a Asus M3A79-T? i heard they were cowboys and are a lot of hassle to order from, they will charge your card even though they dont have stock of something, and then keep you waiting for months.

i like the restock date they got...lol, far as i can make out on the grapevine, they will be here Oct 27th, i have one ordered and have been asured that they will be here by then, mate of mine works for BT shop/dabs.com, and he has got an inside line to ASUS, Batphone type of thing.

seriously hes a buyer for dabs, and has been in touch with the UK distributer.

so nothing till 27th.....darn,

[kazgirl]

Thanks for the inside info on the stock status, I can't comment on the reputation of Offike, I've never used them before, and as I said in my post regarding the order, I was a bit sceptical of whether they had stock or not...

I am aware that a few suppliers in the UK have had limited stock of these mobos already, however this stock went almost immediately, and new stock has been in short (read: non-existant) supply....

I too have heard the Oct dates being mentioned... and will be keeping a keen eye on things, and if there are any problems with my order with Offike I will make a claim via my card payment protection, and let the credit card co. sort it out with Offike...

I won't pass judegment on them yet, I will give them a chance, and see how they fare....!!

About AOD.... I am sorry that your experience has been a bad one with it, I've had good and bad with it myself, but I see no reason for castigating AMD for it....after all as I say above...its not their fault.... IMO they have provided a useful tool to add to what was already available...

I hope you get better lucj with whatever system/software you use in the future...!!



About the typing...LOL... yes I used to work in an office and have pretty good typing skills.... having qualified in typrewriting back in my school days, the old "asdf ;lkj" touch typing method.... I'm also prone to saying a lot more than is needed....!!! As you can tell.... :o

[macci]

AOD v2.1.4

1) lock up and squeeling from speakers, when HT ref slider moved by 5 mhz and hitting apply, (rig at stock 2.5 gig, stock multi and stock HT ref in bios)

2) moving multi slider from 12.5 to 13 results in same lock up as above

On the AX78, are you really seeing BOTH of these problems when using a Phenom CPU or one with Phenom and one with K8 (the 5000BE X2 you mention in your post)? I'm asking as this is NOT in line with what I see on AX78.

I am seeing issue #1 if I use a Phenom on AX78 and issue #2 if I use a 5000BE X2.
I dont see #2 with Phenom and I dont see #1 with K8.

Issue #1 has to do with Clockchip programming (as I previously mentioned). the board (SBIOS) is programming the clock a bit too aggressively when AOD requests a clock adjustment on the fly. The fix is to change the clock programming code in the SBIOS. Unfortunately this has not been implemented on this particular board's SBIOS.

In case of K8 CPU (5000BE X2) this doesnt usually cause any issues (in fact I could jump from 200 to 240MHz in one shot without any issues w/ 5000BE X2). With Phenom a bigger HT ref. clock adjustment (on AX78) usually hangs the system. But it does work OK if you go in 1MHz steps.
I got it up to 224MHz (from 200MHz) via AOD when I adjusted 1MHz at a time - these steps:

1) set slider to 201 (it sets it back to 200MHz)
2) set slider to 202 (it sets it to 201MHz)
3) set slider to 203 (it sets it to 202MHz)
4) continue as far as needed

In case of Phenom the HT ref. clock is used for Fine tuning (As all the relevant multipliers are unlocked). so you dont usually need to adust this very much.

With Phenom 9600BE (I also tried 9850BE) I didnt see any problems adjusting the CPU multiplier or HT multiplier values (yes, I did try all HT multipliers and a number of HT+CPU multi combos). Please confirm if you saw this problem with Phenom or K8 (AX78 has problems with K8 and CPU multiplier, more details below).

Here is a screenshot of Phenom 9600BE with AOD 2.1.4 on AX78. I tuned the following items (system was booted up at default values from SBIOS):

CPU Multi to x13 - OK
HT Multiplier down to x7 - OK
adjusted CPU VID and CPU NB VID - OK (also measured with multimeter to confirm)
adjusted Memory voltage - OK (also measured with Multimeter to confirm)
adjusted HT ref. clock 1MHz at a time up to 224MHz (from 200MHz)

end result: a bit over 600MHz OVCK with default aircooling, all done on the fly with AOD on AX78.


Issue #2 was not seen on my AX78 (BIOS 1.3) with Phenom 9600BE or 9850BE. No problems with CPU multiplier or HT link multiplier adjustments with Phenom CPU (yes, I did try all HT multipliers and a number of HT+CPU multi combos).
I did see a problem with K8 (5000BE X2) though and it appears that AX78 SBIOS has fundamental problems with CPU multiplier control. CoolNQuiet doesnt work either - the multiplier is adjusting VERY slowly and to incorrect values (it goes to the low state even if OS is in High Performance mode). AOD and CoolNQuiet use the same commands to request multiplier changes, in case of this board the SBIOS doesnt do it correctly.

With K8 CPU the HT ref. clock slider and all voltage controls worked as they should though.

Here is a quick example of AOD clocking with K8 on AX78 board.
Note that the CPU VDDC slider tells you the actual CPU voltage in case of K8 CPU (as it controls the OFFSET on top of CPU VID value).

2) nothing but temps in status monitor/ board status

the HW monitoring chip on this board is not supported by AOD at this point.

NB vid, cant and wont go higher than 1.3 v (although bios allows it)

incorrect readings of CPU vid, allways sais 1.3 v, even though its 1.4v in bios, how do i adjust that in the knowledge its wrong?

Is this with K8 or Phenom?

In case of Phenom I didnt see an option to dial in the actual voltage in AX78 SBIOS, there was an option to adjust the OFFSET (+0.xx V) but no option for adjusting the CPU VID value or the actual CPU Voltage value (to 1.3 or 1.4V).

I didnt see a problem with CPU NB VID slider on AX78 when using Phenom CPU (see the screenshot - its at 1.45V and can go up to 1.55V).
Note that with K8 CPU there is no separate control for CPU NB VID.

With K8 CPU the CPU Voltage item (in SBIOS) is different and you can adjust the actual value (not just the offset). If I set it to say 1.400V then AOD would read the CPU VDDC slider at 1.400V (CPU VID at 1.300V as 1.400V actual voltage is achieved via OFFSET on top of VID value).
example:

has not fixed a number outstanding issues, that were meant to be addressed in the 2.1.4. release.

such as?

since the last 'discussion' i have managed to get hold of two other mob's, for the purposes of being fair, i wll not mention the makers, other than i have 1 more SB600based board, and one SB750 based board, both leave a lot to be desired with AOD 2.1.4.

What is the problem then? "For the purpose of being fair" you should mention the problem you see and the board (+SBIOS) you used. Then we can get it fixed

Told Ya So, 2.1.4 doesnt solve a thing apart from AHCI and RAID issues

If you read thru this thread you'll see that it fixed a number of other issues as well.

as far as the accuracy of the poll:
there are folks who have voted "no" initially and now have got their AOD working (by updating to AOD 2.1.4, by updating motherboard SBIOS...) and would be voting "yes" at this point.

[AMDDeathstar]

Let's get this out of the way first, SB600 sucks for Phenoms, it was design for Athlon64's even then it sucked. My biggest problem with the SB600 has been the USB controller, it has cause me a quite a few problems(I destroyed a KVM switch because of it).

Hey Macci
On 2.1.4 my only complaint about it is in Status Monitor>GPU Status>Engine shows 0 MHZ
On the M3A78-T and my new sweet ride M3A79-T Deluxe the same thing happened

Otherwise AOD 2.1.4 works great on the new board

[soundood]

Originally Posted by soundood
AOD v2.1.4

1) lock up and squeeling from speakers, when HT ref slider moved by 5 mhz and hitting apply, (rig at stock 2.5 gig, stock multi and stock HT ref in bios)

2) moving multi slider from 12.5 to 13 results in same lock up as above

On the AX78, are you really seeing BOTH of these problems when using a Phenom CPU or one with Phenom and one with K8 (the 5000BE X2 you mention in your post)? I'm asking as this is NOT in line with what I see on AX78
I am seeing issue #1 if I use a Phenom on AX78 and issue #2 if I use a 5000BE X2.
I dont see #2 with Phenom and I dont see #1 with K8.

i concur, multi prob was more prevelant on the 5000 blacki i had in there, but still excists, ans thank you for explaining to me the issue, but it remains an issue all the same.

Here is a screenshot of Phenom 9600BE with AOD 2.1.4 on AX78. I tuned the following items (system was booted up at default values from SBIOS):

CPU Multi to x13 - OK
HT Multiplier down to x7 - OK
adjusted CPU VID and CPU NB VID - OK (also measured with multimeter to confirm)
adjusted Memory voltage - OK (also measured with Multimeter to confirm)
adjusted HT ref. clock 1MHz at a time up to 224MHz (from 200MHz)

i beg to differ here, the sliders work, and also it will change the voltages, but the start voltage is not correct, it pretty much allways reads it wrong.

whenever i touch the HT multi i get a lock up, up or down

Issue #2 was not seen on my AX78 (BIOS 1.3) with Phenom 9600BE or 9850BE. No problems with CPU multiplier or HT link multiplier adjustments with Phenom CPU (yes, I did try all HT multipliers and a number of HT+CPU multi combos).
I did see a problem with K8 (5000BE X2) though and it appears that AX78 SBIOS has fundamental problems with CPU multiplier control. CoolNQuiet doesnt work either - the multiplier is adjusting VERY slowly and to incorrect values (it goes to the low state even if OS is in High Performance mode). AOD and CoolNQuiet use the same commands to request multiplier changes, in case of this board the SBIOS doesnt do it correctly.

With K8 CPU the HT ref. clock slider and all voltage controls worked as they should though.

as i said above i have trouble with the HT link multi with phenom or my blackie, but again it has problems as you have outlined.

Quote:soundood
2) nothing but temps in status monitor/ board status

the HW monitoring chip on this board is not supported by AOD at this point.

seems a bit shoddy, but at least its an answer

In case of Phenom I didnt see an option to dial in the actual voltage in AX78 SBIOS, there was an option to adjust the OFFSET (+0.xx V) but no option for adjusting the CPU VID value or the actual CPU Voltage value (to 1.3 or 1.4V).

offset or whatever you call it, this part of the bios alolows me to change the vcore from 1.3v to 1.4v, that AOD doesnt see in windows,


maybe my understanding of this part is wrong? if so could you explain further?

as i said before i edited this post, i am extrememly busy at the moment, so this reply has been rushed a little, so please be patiant if it seems as though i am not replying properly now to something that i started, that is not the case.

you have my full attention on this matter, just not at the moment, hope i have given enough for you to look at and compare,

thanks for your investigation into this, if only for that i am impressed.