Intel Core i7 Processors [models & pricing] ! !

[Blauhung]

so are you conceding that the reference clock is limited? If the 2.6 nehalem can't hit 3.6 or better I don't see a point in getting it over a current quad unless one can use all 8 threads effectively.

haha, like I have any clue how high the reference clock goes.

I just make the chips, they don't let me play with them

But yeah, as Dr. Who was talking about in another thread. Turbo mode is dynamic overclocking based on how the chip sees itself using it's current thermal headroom. If you make the chip think it has much greater room, assuming you have cooling capable of dissipating the heat, then turbo mode will be active on all cores as long as they're being utilized.

[villa1n]

so are you conceding that the reference clock is limited? If the 2.6 nehalem can't hit 3.6 or better I don't see a point in getting it over a current quad unless one can use all 8 threads effectively.

So in a round about way they re saying 150 ref clock is a reasonable oc..so 3.0+200-300 mhz from turbo tweak...near constant, unless your loading all 4 cores? so lets avg it 3.2ghz, at 284$ usd.. puts it up against a q9450, which can hit 4.0 if you can hold a 500fsb, which doesnt seem as hard as it used to be.. Its gonna be pretty close, it ll come down to what kind of programs your using... mainly single threaded or multiples which will take advantage of smt.

[GoriLLakoS]

Sorry for the typos on the 1st post.

L3 is 8MB not L2 , i just correct it
The same with the product code of 920 nad 940.

It seems i am in love :p

[XS Janus]

So how long till I need to pay 260€ for something I dont really need?
2 months you say....?

[TedShred]

So how long till I need to pay 260€ for something I dont really need?
2 months you say....?

[bowman]

If you make the chip think it has much greater room, assuming you have cooling capable of dissipating the heat, then turbo mode will be active on all cores as long as they're being utilized.

Time for BIOS makers to implement the 'ultra OC mode' that makes the processor think it's in the middle of space. Jokes aside it should be possible to fool that PCU-thingy for some tweaking fun..

[Silaz]

So, does anyone know when this is to be released? It would be nice to know the speculated month atleast.

[AuDioFreaK39]

So, does anyone know when this is to be released? It would be nice to know the speculated month atleast.

I've been tracking Nehalem for months. Here are the latest and most recurring speculative releases:

• week 40 (September 29 - October 5, 2008)
• week 44 (October 27 - November 2, 2008)
• first two weeks of November

In my opinion, the first two weeks of November seems most likely. Afterall, the first Penryn (QX9650) was released on November 12, 2007.

[gOJDO]

The 920 looks very attractive for the price. The big question now is: can it run above 3.8GHz stable 24/7(OCed as much as my Q9450)?

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[AuDioFreaK39]

The 920 looks very attractive for the price. The big question now is: can it run above 3.8GHz stable 24/7(OCed as much as my Q9450)?

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Doubt it. I wouldn't expect it to get past 3.3GHz, but someone please tell me otherwise because that's still pretty unfortunate for 920 buyers.

[LaMpiR]

What would be difference from L3 and L2 cache?
I think I read an article saying that overclocking Nehalem is almost good as having second graphic card. Why wouldn't it able to oc that much?

[gOJDO]

What would be difference from L3 and L2 cache?

compared to what?

I think I read an article saying that overclocking Nehalem is almost good as having second graphic card.

You mean, you red a title?
Anyway it sounds like a BS to me.

Why wouldn't it able to oc that much?

Much more complex logic, larger die, new m-arch, new stepping, higher power consumption and higher generated heat. It will OC better with the newer steppings and as the production process matures.

[LaMpiR]

I was thinking about difference between L2 vs L3?

[zanzabar]

L3 is much slower and higher latency than l2, and l3 is used a buffer for the memory controller were l2 is typicaly for cpu cash (things that need to be processed), L3 aslo is for the whole cpu and not per core like L1/L2

[LaMpiR]

Ok. TNx for clarifying that for me.

[villa1n]

The 920 looks very attractive for the price. The big question now is: can it run above 3.8GHz stable 24/7(OCed as much as my Q9450)?

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If it can oc to 3.3 -3.4 + turbo, it should match or beat a 9450....at least thats my hope, otherwise, 9550 it for me :P

[T_Flight]

One thing alot of people are fortgetting is the technology behind this CPU. You can't compare this CPU to the old FSB models. The FSB is what limited performance in many ways. It's been the bottleneck for memory for ages. It is woefully ineficient comapred to the QPI this chip has.

All cores are now linked via the QPI. The mem controller is now on the CPU which gets rid of latency issues. The boardas for these new CPU's will be leaps and bounds beyond what the older boards were. A P6T for example has 16 phase power! An 8 layer board with 16 phase power from Asus. There is nothing like that that's remotely in the realm of that board.

We're going to Tri Channel, and a new socket. This is a complete upgrade and will give a path for future upgrades where the 775 based systems are gonna become obsolete and will have less and less of an upgrade path as time goes on.

I am most definitely going with this technology. Not just becasue it's new, but becasue it will have at least some measure of having the ability to do future upgrades. It will excel in the deamanding applications of video encoding and editing, my flight simulators, and folding. Will it make much a difference in Internet surfing? I doubt we'd notice it, but in the deamanding apps, and in the new software that will be developed this CPU will shine.

We're in the Vista era now, and Win7 is being talked about. The Conroe systems were a new breed, but they are switching gears once again, and this CPU is gonna excel. It's an Intel...what else would one expect?

[Donnie27]

haha, like I have any clue how high the reference clock goes.

I just make the chips, they don't let me play with them

But yeah, as Dr. Who was talking about in another thread. Turbo mode is dynamic overclocking based on how the chip sees itself using it's current thermal headroom. If you make the chip think it has much greater room, assuming you have cooling capable of dissipating the heat, then turbo mode will be active on all cores as long as they're being utilized.

Sweet now that's what I wanted to hear.

[Donnie27]

One thing alot of people are fortgetting is the technology behind this CPU. You can't compare this CPU to the old FSB models. The FSB is what limited performance in many ways. It's been the bottleneck for memory for ages. It is woefully ineficient comapred to the QPI this chip has.

FSB limitations don't show themselves until you move past Dual Sockets. On the Desktop, A64 and X2 did the nasty to Intel because it had a better architecture for its core, not an IMC.

All cores are now linked via the QPI. The mem controller is now on the CPU which gets rid of latency issues. The boardas for these new CPU's will be leaps and bounds beyond what the older boards were. A P6T for example has 16 phase power! An 8 layer board with 16 phase power from Asus. There is nothing like that that's remotely in the realm of that board.

If it needs 16 phase, it might NOT be the most effiecent thing out there. I want to use less, not more. I know the IMC and etc... has to be figured in.

We're going to Tri Channel, and a new socket. This is a complete upgrade and will give a path for future upgrades where the 775 based systems are gonna become obsolete and will have less and less of an upgrade path as time goes on.

Memory isn't really stressed out right now and Memory Bandwidth goes wasted too many times. It hasn't helped AMD since Conroe shipped? Tri-Channel right now might be more ***like RAMBUS was on the P3. I hope I'm wrong. I know enough from at lest 4 different folks that overclocking will not be a problem for most folks here. Again, if none serious overclockers like Tom's Hardware can get 4GHz, worries about it not overclocking is worrying about nothing.

I am most definitely going with this technology. Not just becasue it's new, but becasue it will have at least some measure of having the ability to do future upgrades. It will excel in the deamanding applications of video encoding and editing, my flight simulators, and folding. Will it make much a difference in Internet surfing? I doubt we'd notice it, but in the deamanding apps, and in the new software that will be developed this CPU will shine.

We're in the Vista era now, and Win7 is being talked about. The Conroe systems were a new breed, but they are switching gears once again, and this CPU is gonna excel. It's an Intel...what else would one expect?

Good Luck!

[Etihtsarom]

One thing alot of people are fortgetting is the technology behind this CPU. You can't compare this CPU to the old FSB models. The FSB is what limited performance in many ways. It's been the bottleneck for memory for ages. It is woefully ineficient comapred to the QPI this chip has.

All cores are now linked via the QPI. The mem controller is now on the CPU which gets rid of latency issues. The boardas for these new CPU's will be leaps and bounds beyond what the older boards were. A P6T for example has 16 phase power! An 8 layer board with 16 phase power from Asus. There is nothing like that that's remotely in the realm of that board.

We're going to Tri Channel, and a new socket. This is a complete upgrade and will give a path for future upgrades where the 775 based systems are gonna become obsolete and will have less and less of an upgrade path as time goes on.

I am most definitely going with this technology. Not just becasue it's new, but becasue it will have at least some measure of having the ability to do future upgrades. It will excel in the deamanding applications of video encoding and editing, my flight simulators, and folding. Will it make much a difference in Internet surfing? I doubt we'd notice it, but in the deamanding apps, and in the new software that will be developed this CPU will shine.

We're in the Vista era now, and Win7 is being talked about. The Conroe systems were a new breed, but they are switching gears once again, and this CPU is gonna excel. It's an Intel...what else would one expect?

Nope not buying it.
I can't tell you how many times I've upgraded board, card and CPU, and RAM, in the reign of 775 Socket. As always, incremental changes and optimizations are bound to come as the architecture matures. It is my opinion that now is the time to hop on that high end or performance 775 train and ride it out for about a year or year and a half till the price comes down, the technology matures, and the software catches up to it.

[AnXioZ]

haha, like I have any clue how high the reference clock goes.

I just make the chips, they don't let me play with them

But yeah, as Dr. Who was talking about in another thread. Turbo mode is dynamic overclocking based on how the chip sees itself using it's current thermal headroom. If you make the chip think it has much greater room, assuming you have cooling capable of dissipating the heat, then turbo mode will be active on all cores as long as they're being utilized.

If that is the case, then there will be a lot of misleading reviews circling around the web. I guess they'll use stock cooling, but still results will vary as temperatures vary. Talk about confusion

Nope not buying it.
I can't tell you how many times I've upgraded board, card and CPU, and RAM, in the reign of 775 Socket. As always, incremental changes and optimizations are bound to come as the architecture matures. It is my opinion that now is the time to hop on that high end or performance 775 train and ride it out for about a year or year and a half till the price comes down, the technology matures, and the software catches up to it.

That's a very strong point, but if you can get better price/performance ratio on i7 why wouldn't you let the technology wave drown you?

[Klarko]

Question One: Ive heard these OC really well, any truth to that?

Question Two: I've heard i7 doesn't really make gaming performance increase, and if that's true would it be better to just stick with the Q9550 if that was my other option? [pending i would pick the 2.66 or 2.93]

[Hornet331]

I dont really care about the ocing of nehalem right now, but i doubt it will be much worse then C2D. Since im plaining to go for the XE version anyway.

But the biggest thing im looking forward to is 8 threads on one cpu, hell yeah boinc will pay off with that.

[dinos22]

sheesh 1K+ Euros hey heh eek

haha, like I have any clue how high the reference clock goes.

I just make the chips, they don't let me play with them

But yeah, as Dr. Who was talking about in another thread. Turbo mode is dynamic overclocking based on how the chip sees itself using it's current thermal headroom. If you make the chip think it has much greater room, assuming you have cooling capable of dissipating the heat, then turbo mode will be active on all cores as long as they're being utilized.

well that's just not cool lol

[Nasgul]

The same with the product code of 920 nad 940.

oh-oh!

Flash back!

Pentium D 920 and Pentium D 940.

I luv Preslers.

Anyhow, the price for the 2.66ghz doesn't look bad at all.....

4 core and HTT? Seck-xy!!!!