Intel brings forward Nehalem Launch

[alfaunits]

Then you need to educate developers, you are going to speend a lot of time doing nothing

People forget, and then we wonder why a fix doesn't fix stuff. No tnx

Multiple builds then AMD is better

You got anything to prove that?

[chuckbam]

I am going to need two PCI slots. Looks like that is going to limit what board I can get. Seems like they most have more PCI-E slots.

[Nomadsoul]

any progress ?

[Silaz]

So is there any real information on when us extreme users will be able to order one from newegg? October? november?

[Swatrecon_]

I really see no reason to upgrade from my Q6600. Every single game I've played has been limited by my 8800, not my proc. Seems like a massive waste of money.

[chuckbam]

I really see no reason to upgrade from my Q6600. Every single game I've played has been limited by my 8800, not my proc. Seems like a massive waste of money.

This is not really a gaming upgrade. If that is the only demanding thing you do with your computer.

[JumpingJack]

About the test here http://www.digit-life.com/articles3/...08-3-0-p1.html for Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 they test compile time.. Today compile time is of minor importance in development environments.

Rebuilds are seldom done, only for releases and when they are done the may do it in batches.

A lot of developers are also using some sort of virtualisation.

IF they don't compile, then how do they debug code? Are you sure you program? Are you saying you never compile until you have your final code? You never check to see if it actually works? This borders on quite possible the most ridiculous statement I have read in any forum.

Time is money, compile time is important. End of story.

[crazy1323]

IF they don't compile, then how do they debug code? Are you sure you program? Are you saying you never compile until you have your final code? You never check to see if it actually works? This borders on quite possible the most ridiculous statement I have read in any forum.

Time is money, compile time is important. End of story.

I agree with this FULLY. I am an engineering student and often have to write VERY large FORTRAN programs that takes months to build. If I waited untill everything was done to say "OK, lets see if it works" that would be crazy. What if a small error makes you have to rewrite all the code?

However, if you are able to write thousands of lines of code without an eroor everytime then don't waste time compiling.

[chuckbam]

I assume these cpu's will be expensive so will the boards and memory. This will drive prices down for current hardware right ? Like the E8400's DDR2 ect ? Maybe i should wait 1 more month to upgrade so i can get a cheaper system

DDR2 may start to go up in price. In most cases, I don't think the boards will get any cheaper. CPU's ??? maybe in the short run. You can buy all this stuff used - maybe.

[gosh]

IF they don't compile, then how do they debug code? Are you sure you program? Are you saying you never compile until you have your final code? You never check to see if it actually works? This borders on quite possible the most ridiculous statement I have read in any forum.

Time is money, compile time is important. End of story.

How could you read this as ”don’t compile” ?
Do you know the difference between full rebuilds and when you just change one cpp file.

[mikeyakame]

Difference is recompiling a single object file vs recompiling all the object files again. If that object file is linked to multiple files this is still extra time. If you are lucky it only has a single purpose and requires linking to a single file and there isn't a lot of time wasted. But how often is just one source file changed...changing one file somehow always ends up with others being changed to reflect certain changes.

[gosh]

If you have that bad design you will not be able to handle large projects. If I do one rebuild in the app I am doing now just because some of the general code (code that is used every ware). I probably could create a small test application and test the new functionality there in at the same time as I do one full rebuild. It isn't common to get it right for the first try.. You may need to recompile more the once. If the programmer is that stupid and creates design and test code like that there will be much more problems apart from bad design.

There are very good tools today also that helps the programmer, just read about "Visual Assist X" tool for visual studio. It decreases the need for compile a lot.

[Hornet331]

nice attempetd of thread hijacking gosh and m^2... programming/multithredading apps has nothing to do with earlier launch of nehalem, hell it doesn't even has to do with anything about nehalem....

[crazy1323]

Luckily I haven't had that happen and the only programming I have done is for classes. But I do see what you are saying. I use visual studio and it is a great tool for programming. It does its best to debug the file for you and alert you to errors.

[highoctane]

Intel brings forward Nehalem Launch

When is nda up on Nehalem anyways???

[Hornet331]

Intel brings forward Nehalem Launch

When is nda up on Nehalem anyways???

end of nda is under nda.

[Donnie27]

end of nda is under nda.

There's supposed to be some kind of info today or so the rumor went. Not a launch or etc... just some info released.

[highoctane]

end of nda is under nda.

So it would seem!

[Movieman]

I am going to need two PCI slots. Looks like that is going to limit what board I can get. Seems like they most have more PCI-E slots.

SM will have boards with pci and PCI-X..

[Movieman]

Intel brings forward Nehalem Launch

When is nda up on Nehalem anyways???

I asked Dr.Who? ( Francois Piednoel from Intel) that same question and his response was as said above here:
"The expiration of the NDA is under NDA"
Then laughed. Good to see these people with a sense of humor.
My guess is that they are still refining these and don't want any 'official" numbers released until they are happy with the results.
Also possible that they still may have small issues to deal with.
The MB manufacturers seemed to be tossing fits over the tri channel memory and making it work right.
Then also the still up in the air issues on memory standardisation on these boards..DDR3-1066,1333?????

[Hornet331]

There's supposed to be some kind of info today or so the rumor went. Not a launch or etc... just some info released.

would be nice to hear more today, well at least we can hope.

[Donnie27]

would be nice to hear more today, well at least we can hope.

http://forum.desktopreview.com/showthread.php?p=2256457

We're getting close when pics start to show up like this. We know the server folks will get them first. Like Movieman said about the memory issues. Servers don't have to run the RAM balls-to-the-wall. Geesh, wouldn't 3 channels of 1066 be enough for now?

[Movieman]

http://forum.desktopreview.com/showthread.php?p=2256457

We're getting close when pics start to show up like this. We know the server folks will get them first. Like Movieman said about the memory issues. Servers don't have to run the RAM balls-to-the-wall. Geesh, wouldn't 3 channels of 1066 be enough for now?

At that link they show the older 4 core chip for the Tigerton board(quad core,quad socket, older 604 pinned socket) but they are talking about the new 6 core chip that is supposed to be a drop in replacement for that.
This is the one I was talking about that I may get to review..
24 cores on one board..

[@@@@]

you will be able to review the Intel's 6-core Dunnington I am imagining you counting the days till it comes to your door step

[Hornet331]

i wonder how dunnington performs with the 3rd lvl cache, since its shared between the 6 cores, so the quad fsb only is there for inter socket communication.