Intel Q9450 vs Phenom 9850 - ATI HD3870 X2

[gosh]

Oh, I see... the data shows that developers are programming for Intels weaknesses .... I see, thanks.

Running 10+ threads is a big problem for a Phenom to .... it's scaling stops at 4 threads as well.

Yes, isn't that obvious? Intel dominates the cpu market. i7 will help AMD to show more of it's advantages. Intel knows that the performance on core 2 architecture can’t be increased that much more.
If you run a lot of applications concurently this will be one area that amd runns well if you need more speed now

[gOJDO]

You can scale differently, Intel (Core 2) is able to run many threads with good performance if the developer thinks about its weaknesses. If threads almost runs as separate applications not using that much memory with minimal talks it will work well using threads. Check heavy calculate applications, advanced compression. Those run well on Core 2. But this will change, it is harder for the developer to create threading like this, you need to think more about how the processor works.
Now when Intel will be out with i7 and it comes with the visual studio extensions helping developers to thread their applications this will change. Developers will not think that much about how the processor is constructed, if something needs power you just create more threads and try to split work among more cores.
There is always a performance penalty having threads that writes to same memory or needs synchronisation. C2D is ok handling this but C2Q isn’t able to handle that well at all. Running 10+ threads will be a big problem.

It is the same as those developers will not create games that need very high clocked cpus, they will not create games that are using thread techniques that runs badly for other types of processors and this is also a new area for game developers.

Yes, isn't that obvious? Intel dominates the cpu market. i7 will help AMD to show more of it's advantages. Intel knows that the performance on core 2 architecture can’t be increased that much more.
If you run a lot of applications concurently this will be one area that amd runns well if you need more speed now

BRAVO!

[Hornet331]

Yes, isn't that obvious? Intel dominates the cpu market. i7 will help AMD to show more of it's advantages. Intel knows that the performance on core 2 architecture can’t be increased that much more.
If you run a lot of applications concurently this will be one area that amd runns well if you need more speed now

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=12648&page=7

data proves your wrong, if AMD loses with 5 threads and 6 threads what do you think will happen with 10 threads.

Plus im sure Jack could give you even more data.

[JumpingJack]

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=12648&page=7

data proves your wrong, if AMD loses with 5 threads and 6 threads what do you think will happen with 10 threads.

Plus im sure Jack could give you even more data.

[JumpingJack]

Yes, isn't that obvious? Intel dominates the cpu market. i7 will help AMD to show more of it's advantages. Intel knows that the performance on core 2 architecture can’t be increased that much more.
If you run a lot of applications concurently this will be one area that amd runns well if you need more speed now

Well, I was being sarcastic... but a question... how can being so far behind on the performance curve be an advantage?

I am done with this.... ... I have lead you to water, I cannot make you drink.

Deneb and i7 will be out soon. Intel' pretty much enjoy's a 10-30% performance lead over K10 clock for clock pretty much across the board, this is clear from the data ... your persistence to completely ignore or reject all the data and conclude completely contradictory to that data firmly labels you as a blinded AMD fanboy. This is hopeless, there a more of your type around the net than what people can shake a stick at... and, frankly, the only one on this board this far out in left field of make believe.

Be prepared, Intel's current lead will be extended over Deneb it will not be pretty. Some preliminary info has leaked both on Deneb and Nehalem, Deneb will need to do much much better than what has been shown to be competitive. Remember this when you look for the first set of reviews comparing these two ... also, remember, Nehalem at the core is still the core microarchitecture.

Frankly, I am worried... it is not in my best interests for either company to fall this far behind the other. I am hoping Deneb has more juice than what is currently being shown.

[highoctane]

I am done with this.... ... I have lead you to water, I cannot make you drink.

Hell you threw him in the middle of the lake and he still couldn't figure out he's surrounded by water!

I applaud your efforts JumpingJack, I'm sure there are many here that gained a much better understanding. Even though most of us understood what you meant from early on the other 15+ times you tried to break the topic down into laymans terms was not in vane, we where with you over and over again.