Does AMD Overdrive work for you?

[soundood]

ok, I'm getting an AX78 board, this is too good to miss

im sry what is too good to miss?

soundood,

do you get the same issues if you leave SBIOS to default settings? in particular it would be interesting to see how CPU Vcore works when its left at default from the SBIOS.

as i said before, unless you can guarantee me a new board, if it wrecks the bios again, and flash goes wrong then i wont be moving any more sliders on this board with AOD.

You mentioned that 202 just sets it back to 200MHz, this would mean that the clockgen programming has 2.5MHz steps (or bigger). How about 203MHz?

this is one issue here that you seem to have focused on, what happen to the other issue of no CPU NB VID control? or CPU VID control that Hokie posted about with his 9600?

this all seems a bit 'out to prove soundood wrong now', and it is, i dont see you focus on any other issues people have had?

if this is indeed ' to good to miss' then uses your own board for testing, you get your new and shiny ABIT AX78, then you can report back and tell us how its done
that doesnt get away from the fact that nearly a third of people using it, have found it be useless, stick that in your AMD hat.

i was sceptical about you from the start, and your last post has only confirmed my scepticism, you are a paid employee of AMD, and therefore are tainted in any discussion about this software, this poll will do what it was intended to do, show AMD what a bunch of codswallop AOD is.

4 now, anymore?

[Particle]

I'm sorry, I don't understand your reply. I'd like to respond if it isn't intended to be insulting. Please clarify.

If it is meant to be insulting, however, pick any of the following generic retorts:
- I disagree! [Stall]
- Whatever! [Sidestep]
- Burn in hell! [Insult/Sidestep]
- I prefer bacon. [Truth]

[soundood]

I'm sorry, I don't understand your reply. I'd like to respond if it isn't intended to be insulting. Please clarify.

If it is meant to be insulting, however, pick any of the following generic retorts:
- I disagree! [Stall]
- Whatever! [Sidestep]
- Burn in hell! [Insult/Sidestep]
- I prefer bacon. [Truth]

#

yep thats number 3 for sure, anymore....

what is interesting here is the fact that all 4 are long term members of the XS forum, whats up? i got one of your buddys backs up..lol

there is indeed a few bullies on here, ehh? if you cant understand the reply, then get your retarded bully mind into this, i dont give a monkeys about you or your 'mates', or your bully boy tactics of insults and balatent lies about a product, that one of your buddys is trying to say is 'great', he works for AMD, but yet you try and disect and belittle my posts?, they serve only as pure distraction tactics. for everyone to see

its the oldest one in the book, for fora

the fact remains, one third of peiople on this forum who use it find it useless, go jump into bed with your AMD buddy, and chew that over....lol

[Jethro]

Ok ok, who pee'd in Soundoods cornflakes?

[soundood]

Ok ok, who pee'd in Soundoods cornflakes?

lol me

lol i am not even angry Jethro, just Scottish..lol, and if there is one thing i hate, its a bully or someone who tries to take a Liberty with someone, they can insult all day long, i dont care, as my nana used to say, 'it will all come out in the wash'

the wash is yet to finish, probably in the rinse stage at the moment, but if anything it has been interesting to see a few 'true colours' from some peeps on here, and also the ones who are prepared to 'jump in' when it gets down and dirty on a forum poster, but this isnt the first time i have seen this behaviour on here, and it wont be the last,

because they got 2000 posts and so on, they think they own the place, they look at your 100 posts say and think your a forum newbie, as i said i dont give a monkeys about who is who, i just say it how it is, that way you cant go wrong,

even this post from the Mr impartial AMD superoverclocker himself, hidden away in a top secret lab, seems a bit bullyish to me, jumping on the lets get soundood bandwagon,

ok, I'm getting an AX78 board, this is too good to miss

i dont take sides, i stand on my own side


list of sites that i have found people having trouble with AOD, as mulder said,(to the tune of the x-files),"we are not alone"

some here on AMD forum, where are you here macci?

more from AMD forum, cant see macci yet

i could go on all day here, but you get the point, google for some more if your bored...lol

[macci]

soundood,

Overclocking is NOT guaranteed. You are adjusting the sliders at your own risk. Initially it seemed that you wanted to try and solve the issues you are having, is that still the case?

1) the reason I asked to try at default BIOS settings was to check if CPU VID / CPU NB VID work OK this way
2) HT ref. clock slider has proven the root cause for various issues, extra details on how this works on that mobo would be useful

Also, does CoolNQuiet work OK on your board - do you see CPU multiplier and Voltage jump and and down based on load when CnQ is enabled? This is exactly the same thing as adjusting CPU Multiplier and CPU VID thru AOD.

One possibility is that you just have a bad board. BIOS corruption might hint into that direction (I dont see anyone else complaining about BIOS corruption, do you?).

[Movieman]

Put's on mod hat:
Gentlemen:
Let's try and remember that people can disagree and have opposing viepoints without making personal attacks ok?
Thanks for reading and yes, I removed two posts from this thread for that reason.

[soundood]

soundood,

Overclocking is NOT guaranteed. You are adjusting the sliders at your own risk. Initially it seemed that you wanted to try and solve the issues you are having, is that still the case?

you tried and you said it wont work due to bios and so on, now you say it might work? as i said you can try all this out on your AX78 when you get it, and let us all here know 'how to do it'

1) the reason I asked to try at default BIOS settings was to check if CPU VID / CPU NB VID work OK this way

no they dont work

2) HT ref. clock slider has proven the root cause for various issues, extra details on how this works on that mobo would be useful

as i said, you can get all the info you need on your new AX78

Also, does CoolNQuiet work OK on your board - do you see CPU multiplier and Voltage jump and and down based on load when CnQ is enabled? This is exactly the same thing as adjusting CPU Multiplier and CPU VID thru AOD.

C 'n' Q is disabled in my bios, that is another issue that AMD failed to solve in the Phenoms, interesting read at anandtech if you missed it, and if it has the same effect with AOD then there is your answer.

One possibility is that you just have a bad board. BIOS corruption might hint into that direction (I dont see anyone else complaining about BIOS corruption, do you?).

i am the only one here with this config, so no you wont hear anyone else complaining about it, and no the bios is fine, i can assure you of that, only when AOD is applied is it corupted. and may i ask how you can sit there and suggest that my bios and board could be the issue, based on the fact that i am the only person on this forum with that problem?

god theres only been around 20 votes in the pole so far, what would be the odds of it?

i really do see you as tainted now macci, i believe you are on here to 'convince' us that this works, i on the other hand will sit back and wait for the poll to finish, before i have my say. which at the moment, is as far as i am concerned a third, thats a hell of a lot in my opinion, given most of the peeps on here know what they are doing, like your self.

i truly believe that there are people on here who dont want to say anything on this subject now, due to the bully boy tactics of your buddy's(whether they are your buddies or not), trying to back you up.

that again i dont give a monkeys about, it just makes me more determined to get to the truth, that last 2 hrs on here was shameful for some people in here, and they know it, may they hang there heads in shame, and i will be watching for the same behaviour in other posts, and will be jumping right on it, to show them up for what they really are

bully's

nice to see a mod has come on now to have a look,

[equinox1]

i find it works very well with my foxconn board . i have a 9850 and a 9950 and both have clocked well.it seems to me aod is trully designed to work the best with a 790fx/sb750 board. i also have a dfi 790fx/sb600 ut and dk boards. both of these boards will only do 3000 at best. obviously the sb600 boards were rushed out for the phenoms with immature chipsets that just wont overclock a phenom. this foxconn board is sitting at 3403 mhz, volts at 1.41 for cpu , 1.36 for nb. i really have not pushed too hard yet as i plan to put this system on water for better cooling. then i will try for 3.5 or 3.6
http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=770922
i have noticed that when you check status of gpu's with catalyst ai at standard setting i can only monitor 1 gpu but if catalyst ai is optimal you can see both. obviously aod and ccc are sharing info.by the way i am using aod2.13

[HondaGuy]

Same thing here with the GPU's only showing one in XP SP3...But in Vista it does show me having 2 GPU's

[oldpueblo]

Dude you are seriously blowing this out of proportion. People don't usually bother to post when things work fine, so of course most of what you see is going to be people having trouble. That's Internet Forum 101. I realize you've drawn a line in the sand now and you feel you need to defend it, but people have been trying to help you. AOD can hardly be a perfect product when AMD has no control over board makers. It does however appear to work perfectly fine for most users on most if not all motherboards. Everyone at some point get's to be screwed by some computer issue, this is your time. You also get what you pay for, and you bought a budget board with a chipset not geared towards overclocking or enthusiasts. We can work through it or you can keep steamrolling over everyone and run to Intel. Your call.

[soundood]

ohh heres the Anandtech theory about cool n quiet if anyone missed it, (also one of the reasons i dont use it)

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3344&p=3

[soundood]

Dude you are seriously blowing this out of proportion. People don't usually bother to post when things work fine, so of course most of what you see is going to be people having trouble. That's Internet Forum 101. I realize you've drawn a line in the sand now and you feel you need to defend it, but people have been trying to help you. AOD can hardly be a perfect product when AMD has no control over board makers. It does however appear to work perfectly fine for most users on most if not all motherboards. Everyone at some point get's to be screwed by some computer issue, this is your time. You also get what you pay for, and you bought a budget board with a chipset not geared towards overclocking or enthusiasts. We can work through it or you can keep steamrolling over everyone and run to Intel. Your call.

thanks for that, but i have answered most of your 'opinions' in previous posts,

ohh and AMD has a lot of control over mobo makers,

and yes only bad things come to light on the net we know, but this is a forum, with an interst in this(with a poll), so there is a broad choice to take opinion from, not just the 'doesnt work crowd'

as for getting what you pay for, yes thats a valid arguement, and if it didnt OC like a Crosshair II, then that is what you get, but that is not the issue, or is the OC the issue here,

its the fact that AOD doesnt work on a board that is meant to support it,

ohh and in prsonal experiance, i have had many 'budget boards' that OC'd better than there more expencive mates, cost is not everything.

and as you can see i am not 'steam rollering' over anyone, i have taken time to read every post here, and reply to them all (including yours)

@honaguy: this is what i mean, its not a big problem and probaly easily fixed by amd, but it works in Vista but not XP SP3? what is that all about? lazy coding i think, but the fact remains it doesnt do what it is meant to do, even with there own hardware, god how much more do i have to say?

peace

soundood

ps: its been at least three hours now of defending myself and pointing out the obvious, i like other mortals need sleep and rest, i will visist tomorow for a fresh round...peace

[Particle]

I'm surprised to see the poll showing as many people are having trouble with AOD as there are.

[Lightman]

@Macci
I found one small bug in AOD (or board BIOS).

Whenever I set at the same time my HTT + CPU multi to a different value and also lower both CPU vid and NB vid, then system will lower multipliers of 3 cores but Core 0 will stay at original value. This caused me hang-up once or twice while declocking my system to 1.6GHz and 1.050v for CPU because that voltage was too low to maintain 2.6GHz Core 0 stable . I've learned to first set new CPU multi and only after applying this setting to lower voltages.

Here is a pic of what is happening when I'm trying to do all changes at once.

Original setting was:
CPU vid = 1.3V
NB vid = 1.3V
CPU multi = 12.5
HTT ref. = 210MHz

Config in sig. Board BIOS F6B (but it was same on F5 BIOS). OS Vista Business x64 and XP MCE x32.


Other than this issue AOD is working fine for me. I'm using it everyday to optimize my system either for Gaming or Internet browsing on the fly in both OSes.
Thank you for all your time spent on trying to help us!

@Soundood
I don't like the way you're addressing some people on this forum. I can understand that you might have a bad day and all frustrations need to get out, but please, there always need to be a limit.
I will only ask: have you ever tried to develop any software for Windows based PC?
I have first hand contacts with many programmers and writing any flawless application for broad range of hardware is almost impossible! Getting everything right is less probable than winning big prize in lottery ...

On the other hand I do understand customer right to demand properly working product. Reality is that we can only dream about it, like we are dreaming about full speed broadband or 64MPG Prius....
I only hope your next purchased product will be flawless for your and our good

[soundood]

@Soundood

I don't like the way you're addressing some people on this forum. I can understand that you might have a bad day and all frustrations need to get out, but please, there always need to be a limit.

there are Mods here to keep me in line, i have kept within the rules, and insulted no one, i on the other hand have been insulted on several occasions, go tell them to keep within limits

and if you dont like what im saying to others then maybe you should follow the thread more carefully, two of there posts have been deleted by admin, none of mine where, i defend myself where needed and if needed, and also defend what i am saying, i will back down for no one.

im truly sry you dont like my tone, but when someone tries to go to the bully, then its war as far as i am concerned until they stop it,

I will only ask: have you ever tried to develop any software for Windows based PC?
I have first hand contacts with many programmers and writing any flawless application for broad range of hardware is almost impossible! Getting everything right is less probable than winning big prize in lottery ...

i know java, it was part of my computer science degree, stopped there though, as i didnt like it, moved over specificly into analysis, but i can understand what you are saying, i have sat for hours trying to compile stupid apps, with one error to be fixed that then presents 10 errors in assembly, but that is not the point here, it should work 99.9% of the time, it doesnt.

these guys are paid a lot of money for this, and its what they do, so do it right they must


i can also name you 100 appps that do work flawlessly in windows XP up on any hardware

On the other hand I do understand customer right to demand properly working product. Reality is that we can only dream about it, like we are dreaming about full speed broadband or 64MPG Prius....
I only hope your next purchased product will be flawless for your and our good

they say it does one thing, it does the other, and as this poll has shown so far, it is not just me. we should not be just forced to dream, they market this software, with video's and labeling on mobo boxes, hell its one of there major selling points for 770 chipsets upwards.

if it was a LCD TV that didnt change channel but said it does, you would take it back, this is the same.


i also note now that a few people are having 'minor bugs' with AOD, please dont get this confused, if it has a 'minor bug' it doesnt work, full stop. there is no 'inbetween' here, it either does what it sais on the tin, or it doesnt.

thank you

[merkk1]

ok now this is how i see it, and the AMD fanboys are not going to like it, i think AOD sucks. I have the foxconn a79a-s board with the newest bios. I just downloaded the newest AOD software and it the same bs as it always is. It shows my max ht multipler as x5 now i got a 9850be so x5 is to damn low and thats as high as it can go. The gpu screen shows 2 of my video cards and the third is a not shown, no stats no info. The board status screen shows my cpu volts right but you go out to my clock/voltage screen and its wrong, go to the cpu status screen and again its wrong . I can change the volts in the clock/voltage screen from 1.3v as shown to 1.3125v it shows wrong in the cpu status screen, it says it 1.3125v but if i go to the board status screen it shows its gone from 1.35v to 1.37v and thats what it really is. After using this software for any lenghth of time the board will feel like crap . But hey reflash my bios, again its all good . when i use a piece of overclocking software i make a change in the bios and reboot the pc, click on the software it better damn well have what i did posted correctly in its software . If it get one thing wrong that makes it a peice of junk because you can not trust it to do a damn thing right . The Foxone overclocking tool that comes with the board works so much better than AOD . You want to know why? Not beacuse it does more stuff, but because it does less stuff. Because when i make a change in the bios then go reboot the pc, click on foxone it will have the change posted correctly every time and thats what counts. I dont like being a beta tester for something that can screw over your bios. Ok no more soap box . The software sucks but i still like AMD/ATI hardware . Thats my take on it, be it right or wrong .

[AMDDeathstar]

On my M3A32-MVP
Some versions of AOD worked fine
Some versions would lock up and send a squealling sound the speakers

I have a problem with 2.1.13
Normally AOD reads CPU VID in the bios sets the slider accordingly in the last few versions
Right now the slider is maxed at 1.45v even though the the bios is set to 1.5v

If I make any changes in AOD it will drop my CPU VID to 1.45v

Tomorrow I'll throw in the M3A78-T that's been sitting here and see if I can get past 3255 MHz stable

[Jethro]

The software doesnt suck, its quite cool really. It only "sucks" when it doesnt work. In your case Merkk1 it appears to be a problem with Foxconns bios for your board. All of these boards have the same hardware essentially so its really up to the board maker to work the kinks out of there bios to fully support AOD. Something they really arent required to do and perhaps not inclined to do especially since overclocking means pushing hardware to its limits possibly leading to an RMA.

Fact is this software works for the majority of users, not everyone but its damn nice when it does.

[keithlm]

so lucky you know what you are doin then ehh Jethro, god help anyone who tries to instal it from the off, and it might be usefull if you instal the version we are debating here, v2.1.3.

and i dont think you need to set the clock back to get it to work either

You have proven yourself worthy to be the first person to ever be put onto my ignore list.

Enjoy.

[equinox1]

merkk1, i have the same board, i actually think the foxxone software conflicts with aod. i tryed foxxone first after flashing my bios to the latest level.it worked ok. then i installed aod and it would not work. uninstalled foxxone and aod worked perfect.

[merkk1]

Jethro
Hi dude i have used it on 2 mother board now and it not work 100% right on the 2 mother boards i have had .I dont really care who at falt for it not working right. That not the point, the fact that it dosen't work right is the point . With the motherboards that we have now (if you get a good one ) you dont need it at all to overclock with .You can do it all in the bios. If you want to use that piece of junk you can thats your call .I wait a year or so check back maybe just maybe it will be working right by than but don't count on it .

PS when you use AOD you are a beta tester for AMD and they dont give a rats ass if it screw up your bois on your motherboard , and that how i really feel . I'am not mad ,i'am not piss off that just the way i see it.

[merkk1]

Equinox1
Hi dude i have had the 2 software install for a couple weeks now i can go back and forth NP i can use AOD if i want or use foxone to overclock with . It the fact that the info. that posted in AOD is not right can lead some one to make a ERR with a setting change . And for a first time over clocking it could be a bad thing . The people that post here are hard core overclockers they do a bois change and it dosen't post right in AOD they will see it and say O dam and fix it or note it so they know what up . But frist time overclocker mite not see it and brun up a piece of hardware with a bad AOD change . That why i think software that dosen't post the right info. is a every bad thing.

[equinox1]

merkk, good points but you have to admit aod can also teach beginners who are afraid to dive into a bios how overclocking works to a degree.most of us who have expierenced phenoms on sb600 boards know whats going on now that the sb750 boards are here.i experiment with aod to get an idea of the limits of a board then i will dive in to the bios to fine tune. i believe most issues with aod are a result of poor installs or operating systems that are not setup optimally for overclocking and thus fail. aod issues are going to be around just as catalyst issues are,not much different in my opinion. we all are p.o'd when cat drivers suck but we still buy the cards. just my 2 cents worth.

[charged3800z24]

so far with what I have done with AOD 2.1.3 and previous versions to 2.0.17 have been fine unless I had power save setting enabled. I have it on Sapphire 780g, Gigabyte 790gx, and on a K9A2 Plat.. never any crashing or weird things unless I just hit a OC peak...