Best 2x1GB DDR2 micron D9 kit as of today?

[Shiranui Gen-An]

I can't tell much of a difference between my higher-binned GMH and GKX with regards to voltage scaling.

[RPGWiZaRD]

Some D9GMH sticks are even better than D9GKX but good D9GKX can be really great, as always YMMV depending on the RAM stick samples and motherboard, either D9GMH or D9GKX should yield a good result anyways. I wouldn't be the least worried about picking D9GMH over D9GKX, it's not a garantuee the D9GKX will be better.

[zsamz_]

Some D9GMH sticks are even better than D9GKX but good D9GKX can be really great, as always YMMV depending on the RAM stick samples and motherboard, either D9GMH or D9GKX should yield a good result anyways. I wouldn't be the least worried about picking D9GMH over D9GKX, it's not a garantuee the D9GKX will be better.

yup lol just got a pair of d9gkx doa

[RPGWiZaRD]

yup lol just got a pair of d9gkx doa

What's up with all d9gkx lately.

BTW, nice setup u have.

*steals CPU and the micron goodness*

In case I'd buy a new mobo, do you think the DFI P45 DK would be a better pick than the P35 regarding mem performance etc, do you know anything about DFI P45 if it allows any low PL's or if P35 is better in this matter which seems to be the case with other brands at least.

[zsamz_]

What's up with all d9gkx lately.

BTW, nice setup u have.

*steals CPU and the micron goodness*

In case I'd buy a new mobo, do you think the DFI P45 DK would be a better pick than the P35 regarding mem performance etc, do you know anything about DFI P45 if it allows any low PL's or if P35 is better in this matter which seems to be the case with other brands at least.

consider this
my ut p35 is better and faster than my x38
and x38 faster than p45
so far dfi has fastest p45 not highest fsb
i dont beleive them pl levels 10 might =12 lol
i dont care for highest fsb i care for the one that can do high fsb for longer than a month lol
the dfi p45 plus is interesting but...i can wait till it proves itself
i think i'll wait for ut version i dont need more that 535fsb for 24/7
but i doubt there is any ddr2 to match the ut p35 yet in terms of pure performance

btw i collectin micron not usin em lol
how u like this i'll try better when i get more time i need to break 12000mb/s if i had 780 board would be easier but i just cant stand no nvidia chipset

[RPGWiZaRD]

OMG that's some sick clock for clock performance on DDR2.

My Abit IP35 Pro gets a hard time going above 500 fsb on 8 multi with this E8400, 500x8 that I use is really on the border to what's possible to run stable. 512x8 craps out in matter of a few secs in orthos for example.

It shouldn't be a big difference between DK-P35-T2RS and UT-P35-T2R right? Cuz I'm a bit interested in swapping to the DK P35 for 129 EUR. There's only one shop in this country that got it and the expensier UT-P35-T2R one goes for 200 EUR. :/

[zsamz_]

OMG that's some sick clock for clock performance on DDR2.

My Abit IP35 Pro gets a hard time going above 500 fsb on 8 multi with this E8400, 500x8 that I use is really on the border to what's possible to run stable. 512x8 craps out in matter of a few secs in orthos for example.

It shouldn't be a big difference between DK-P35-T2RS and UT-P35-T2R right? Cuz I'm a bit interested in swapping to the DK P35 for 129 EUR. There's only one shop in this country that got it and the expensier UT-P35-T2R one goes for 200 EUR. :/

get the lt you dont need the transpiper
first thing i did was take that heatpipe crap out

[CryptiK]

btw i collectin micron not usin em lol
how u like this i'll try better when i get more time i need to break 12000mb/s if i had 780 board would be easier but i just cant stand no nvidia chipset

I just picked up 2 x Cellshock PC8000 CAS 4 (D9 GKX) sticks. They test fine, so hopefully they go well.

They do 1113 MHz 5-5-5-12 at 2.05v no problem, that was my 24/7 setting with the Teamgroup. They also POST'ed fine at 1202 MHz, but I didn't load windows at this speed yet, as I just got my board last night.

I have to say, the cellshock run hot, much hotter than the TG at the same voltage/clocks. I don't know whether this is because they have thermal paste and better contact between the IC's and the heatspreader or not.

[RPGWiZaRD]

Well I'd get more worried if the heatspreaders doesn't get any warm at all. CellShock uses Arctic Silver-like thermal paste, not the typical thick white pad thingie so the heat transfer is better on Cellshock's than typical offerings. I always use 2x80mm fans on my sticks so I'm not afraid of hot sticks.

I would be happy to get some sticks capable of good speeds at 2.2v or less though to be able to keep them for a while, otherwise electromigration might become an issue.

[zsamz_]

I just picked up 2 x Cellshock PC8000 CAS 4 (D9 GKX) sticks. They test fine, so hopefully they go well.

They do 1113 MHz 5-5-5-12 at 2.05v no problem, that was my 24/7 setting with the Teamgroup. They also POST'ed fine at 1202 MHz, but I didn't load windows at this speed yet, as I just got my board last night.

I have to say, the cellshock run hot, much hotter than the TG at the same voltage/clocks. I don't know whether this is because they have thermal paste and better contact between the IC's and the heatspreader or not.

my d9gkx run hotter than my ballistix its normal cause they need more juice

[CryptiK]

I mean at the same voltage & speed as the TG, they feel much hotter. I wasn't giving them more voltage. If I was giving them more voltage than the TG, sure I would expect them to be hotter, but I wasn't.

The TG get warm running 2.2 - 2.3v, but no where near as hot as the cellshocks, and the cellshocks wer only running on 2.04v.

I think the cellshock must have excellent thermal contact between the IC's and the heatspreader. There's really nothing else it can be. Almost makes me want to pull the heatspreader off my TG and try to reseat them using some non conductive thermal compound instead of that thermal tape they use, and if they wont stay on due to clearance or lack of adhesive, I may run them naked. Not sure what to do yet.

Perhaps just removing them and running them naked would be better, as if I had to rma, i could just put them back together and send them away (assuming I could even get an RMA authority from them in the first place).

[zanzabar]

ive working for 3 months for getting a team rma and im just now getting authorized to get authorization for an RMA#, and im guessing that they will say "we no longer make that kit", "how is some 800mhz cas4 dark 2GB", and then i have to go through the no they arnt the same adn i have a 2nd kit and eventually ill get R bin powerchips in a 4GB kit. but im still hoping for some GMH since they still ship the 1200/1300mhz stuff i know that they have it


and how would u do the spreaders with thermal paste, use binder clips to hold it on?? with them off and fan it should be better

[CryptiK]

Yeah I know they have the D9 kits still too, I just bought some Unless it's just the distributors that have it still? Couldn't say for sure unless you bought it direct from them.

My heatspreaders are screwed together and too thick to flex using binder clips (see my avatar), so if once screwed down they didnt hold, I'd have to run them naked. I dont really want to ruin my chances of RMA by wrecking the heatspreaders, so I think I'd run them either just stock or naked.

[mad_skills]

Best Team heatsinks are the ones supplied by Thermalright, on 9600 modules.

[Shiranui Gen-An]

DAGNABIT one of my Team 1200 sticks has gone bad in less than a week!!

[CryptiK]

Damn mate. What motherboard and power supply are you running?

Mine TG have been running between 1.96 - 2.3v for 6 weeks and they are still as good as when I got them. Perhaps your board/psu is killing them or it may have been a bad stick.

[Shiranui Gen-An]

I tested them on my Maximus Formula and P5B Deluxe. I know the MF overvolts by about 0.05V and the P5B-D undervolts by the same amount. They tested fine out of the box, I tried some high CAS4 clocks and finally gave up, then went on to try 1300 CAS5 which passed Memtest with no problems and that's where I left em. Noticed weird application crashes today with my P5B-D system and decided to run memtest...Red all over There must be something else going on besides voltage, as I always compensate depending on what the board puts out, and I've lost quite a few sticks, but never this fast, which makes me think there was just a bad module. I have an Antec Quattro 850W in the MF system and a Thermaltake 750W in the P5B-Dlx box.

[EDIT]Okay I don't know what's going on. I took the it out and put in its packaging for a spell, then decided to try it in the Maximus Formula. Set the VDIMM to 2.46V (I know, I know) and ran memtest expecting instant failure, but as of now it's on test #8 and no red. Is it dead or not???[/EDIT]

[CryptiK]

What board was it in when it gave errors in memtest?

Try this, set around 1000 - 1100 CAS 5 @ 2.0v and memtest it in the maximus. Does that give errors? If not straight away, leave it testing for awhile. See if they come back while using only a low voltage. It may be damaged though......

Neither of your PSU's are bad with ripple (Thermaltake is <100mv) so I'm leaning towards the board. However I had a P5B a year ago, and I ran my D9's in it at 2.13v (real) for 8 months without any issues.

Maximuses (Maximii?) have been known to kill D9, not sure what theyre like personally never owned one.

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Well it looks like electromigration has taken effect on the one module, as it will fail memtest unless the voltage is set to above 2.40V in the BIOS. I've never heard of it happening this quickly before. It fails in every board with lower voltages, no matter the speed/timings.

[CryptiK]

Thats why I said to try low volts, shows it up better. Dammit mate, bad luck there, RMA time.

Have you run other D9 in those boards for any length of time before? Also how high did you do on the volts when OC'ing them?

[Shiranui Gen-An]

I've lost various D9 in my P5B-Dlx (Ballistix 667, Dominator 6400C4 V1.x), deceased P5K-E/Wifi (Dominator 8500C5 v1.x, Dominator 6400C3) and the Maximus (aXeRam 1200). I babied the aXeRam and the Dominator 8500 kits too, never fed them very high voltage. The only common denominator I can think of is those were kits I ran 24/7.

[CryptiK]

Thats a lot of dead ram. I would strongly recommend getting a new board before you loose any more. It's getting harder to find these days. I hope my M2F doesnt kill it, nor my P5Q-Deluxe. Time will tell I guess. Hope you get a timely replacement.

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Well all of that got RMA'd and replaced, though not always with D9 unfortunately. I'm 3 for 6 with RMAing D9 and getting D9 back. What could be the issue here if not voltage? I've checked it with a DMM so I know how to compensate, and I run a Dominator fan over them to keep the kits cool. As for your low clock test, the kit won't even boot with voltage set that low. Well, the problematic stick anyway, the other one is just fine.

[CryptiK]

The major issue is probably poor vdimm regulation, be that spikes above the set voltage, or ripple. Either one can kill ram fast. That's one of the reasons I have gone for 2 boards that have 2-phase vdimm power - hopefully it is cleaner and more stable. Have you read the D9 Electromigration thread? A lot of knowledgeable people discuss the possible causes of the degradation/death.

One thing I guess that I do that not many people do, is run a continuous power filter (CPF) from the power point the pc is connected to. It filters out any spikes in the house power, making it much cleaner than usual. Perhaps that has something to do with the fact I have never lost D9, even at 2.1 - 2.2v 24/7 even using my old P5B without good active cooling (i ran an 80mm fan at 5v pointed down from the top of the mobo, not directly over the sticks). I have no real evidence that this has helped though, there's no way to test it, so I don't know for sure.

IMO the best thing is to get a board with good vdimm circuitry, & a good low ripple PSU. Your thermaltake is a good psu in that regard. I don't think it's possible to test a boards ripple without an oscilloscope, and I don't have one of those - I'd love it if someone with one could do some tests if it is indeed possible.

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Well, my Maximus Formula has 2-phase DDR2 power, I compensated for overvoltage, and I still lost the aXeRAM 1200 kit. As for power, my boxes are connected to UPS devices that should filter spikes from the wall socket...