Does AMD Overdrive work for you?

[Jimmer411]

I installed it and it said couldnt detect AMD cpu, then I intalled the fix and it said cannot detect AMD chipset so I said to hell with things and went back to the bios. I never liked software overclocking anyways.

[soundood]

Let's not get all bent about AOD only working with ATI cards.

not that i was all bent about it, the guy asked for a list of things that dont work and i gave him them,

The tool isn't meant as a total system information and tweaking portal (yet)

cough, yes it is, and the marketing sais it is, no (yet) about it really, hence why we are debating this.

It's meant to provide an interface for AMD's products. Asking why it won't work with nVidia GPUs is like asking why it doesn't overclock Intel CPUs. It's not so much a bug.

Intel CPU's dont work with AMD boards, Nvidia cards do, how simple would it be to add a rivatuner style app, and a GPU-Z app?

hell it doesnt even see my card at all, as far as AOD is concerned there is nothing in the slot.

so far in the poll around a third of peeps cant get it to work, that i suspect will be the outcome, what are we third to do? just take it on the chin?

[soundood]

I installed it and it said couldnt detect AMD cpu, then I intalled the fix and it said cannot detect AMD chipset so I said to hell with things and went back to the bios. I never liked software overclocking anyways.

you should try v2.1.3, that has a download link in the second post here, i suspect you had v2.1.0, that was very buggy

[oldpueblo]

Mine's worked fine other then the ACC bug with AHCI enabled (which also works fine :p)

[macci]

thanks for the feedback guys

Jimmer411, any chance you could try with 2.1.3? also, what was your config when you saw those problems?

soundood,

again, thanks for the detailed feedback. the short answer is that your board and in particular the BIOS in its current state is not compatible with AOD. None of the problems you mention (excluding nV GFX detection) can be fixed from the Application side. AOD can not work correctly if the BIOS doesnt support it properly. Typically AOD can work on a board with supported chipset even if the board has no AOD specific BIOS implementation. the functionality is of course limited (no clockchip control, some voltage items are no adjustable) but it works stable without crashes or hangs.
This particular board appears to be very problematic case as it does have certain AOD specific "hooks" in the BIOS but not fully and properly implemented. This is causing the problems you are seeing.

the website of that board model doesnt highlight support for AOD. And given the current state of things with this particular board vendor I dont expect them to add it.

This is very much the worst case scenario from AOD support point of view.

to be honest: if you want to get better AOD experience you need to run it on another board

[JumpingJack]

It works off and on for me... but I think it is more to do with the BIOS version rather than the app.

[Daveburt714]

Macci: You seem to be the AOD master, so I have a few questions and suggestions for you..

My rig is shown pretty accurately in my sig.

My question is: Does "NB Core" in AOD represent the voltage on the IMC or the voltage on the 790FX chip itself?

I've been using this board for awhile and I pretty much understand VID controls both relate to the CPU/IMC, but NB Core is kind of vague on what v's your are actually changing...

AOD works pretty well on my board, but some of the labels are confusing...

My suggestion would be that you folks make it more clear as to what voltage you are adjusting. I know this is asking alot, but breaking it out to 1 slider for the 790FX and 1 for the IMC would probably help quite a bit when trying to tweak your rig...

I can raise NB VID, but I'm not really sure what the IMC is getting, I get the feeling NB CORE is actually the voltage going to the 790FX....

On a separate note, what do you think is a reasonable voltage for the "CPU HT"? From my experience running it under 1.25 can lead to the annoying "LOUD AUDIO CORRUPTION" even at lower Ht Ref clocks (under 210)...

[Daveburt714]

soundood: You need to add a 3rd option to your Poll.

"Works better than NTune ever did"...

That would have been my choice.... hehe.

Sorry for the double post guys, I need to go to bed....

[soundood]

thanks for the feedback guys

Jimmer411, any chance you could try with 2.1.3? also, what was your config when you saw those problems?

soundood,

again, thanks for the detailed feedback. the short answer is that your board and in particular the BIOS in its current state is not compatible with AOD. None of the problems you mention (excluding nV GFX detection) can be fixed from the Application side. AOD can not work correctly if the BIOS doesnt support it properly. Typically AOD can work on a board with supported chipset even if the board has no AOD specific BIOS implementation. the functionality is of course limited (no clockchip control, some voltage items are no adjustable) but it works stable without crashes or hangs.
This particular board appears to be very problematic case as it does have certain AOD specific "hooks" in the BIOS but not fully and properly implemented. This is causing the problems you are seeing.

the website of that board model doesnt highlight support for AOD. And given the current state of things with this particular board vendor I dont expect them to add it.

This is very much the worst case scenario from AOD support point of view.

to be honest: if you want to get better AOD experience you need to run it on another board

thanks macci for your very honest answer, but i would expect any 'AMD' 770 onwards chipset based board, to be compatible with it, so although you have an answer, i think its unacceptable.

also you lay the blame with ABIT? and that the board is Problematic? then why did AMD allow it to be Manufactuerd? surely there was some kind of referance design to work too?

why wasnt it, tested say, before release? considering all the revisions of AOD, surely at some point, they could have considered this boards hardware 'faults'

you also say that the ABIT website, doesnt say it approves AOD, well theres a flip side to that coin, where does it say in the AOD release notes that all boards are supported except the ABIT AX78?

to me this is sidewinding the issue, it doesnt work, and AMD has failed to make it work, hence AMD Overdrive failure, full stop.

you say that maybe i should get a 'new board', since i have been robbed of the AOD experiance, through no fault of my own, then maybe they should supply me one for free, latest model say, then i can come on here and sing its praises. but hey i seriously dought thats gonna happen, because they allready got my cash, and that is after all, what this is all about.

so, you can bet your bottom dollor, with that answer you gave me, that i find disgracefull really, i am now an intel boy, after 10 years say with AMD i am gone, once again AMD supports, then wait doesnt, ohh it does, ohhh another AOD release, it does no it doesnt, wait for realese 2.1..4 then 2.1.5.,

wait SB750 isnt ready yet, throw out the boards with the SB600, 4 months later its redundant, hey guys we got a 'new' board, yeah its the same board as you paid $100 for but its got a 'new' chipset, yeah the SB750, so please pay more now, and hey AOD might just work, not with this release, but with a 'new' one we got.

it goes on, and on, and on........................


SHAMEFUL AND DISGRACEFUL that is all i can bring myself to say,


again this is nothing personal here, you have been very helpful, and i appreciate your help, but this is the straw that has broken the camels back for me,

thanks for your reply

soundood

[RhoXeD]

soundood you are far from correct in saying AOD is useless

maybe it is in your case, but without AOD i would be stuck at 2.9 instead of 3.2, 3.1, 2.9, 3.1
3dmark06 score from 14,5k to 16,3k

Does intel have this feature? - Then why are you so bummed that it doesnt work for your board if you are now an "intel fanboy" ?

[Nedjo]

so, you can bet your bottom dollor, with that answer you gave me, that i find disgracefull really, i am now an intel boy, after 10 years say with AMD i am gone, once again AMD supports, then wait doesnt, ohh it does, ohhh another AOD release, it does no it doesnt, wait for realese 2.1..4 then 2.1.5.,

Dude, you've become Intel fanboy long before you started this crusade against AOD, it's authors and AMD... and all this 'cos your mobo manufacturer gone the way of dodo bird

AMD doesn't write BIOS for mobo manufactuters, AMD doen's play Q&A service for them, AMD doesn't jump all over them to make AOD friendly BIOS... those who see strong added value from AOD, and do have healthy business and resources will support AOD and this hasn't got anything to do with AMD...

wait SB750 isnt ready yet, throw out the boards with the SB600, 4 months later its redundant, hey guys we got a 'new' board, yeah its the same board as you paid $100 for but its got a 'new' chipset, yeah the SB750, so please pay more now, and hey AOD might just work, not with this release, but with a 'new' one we got.

pff industry progress, technology progress and no one is waiting for next technology update to launch a product... and just for a reminder your lovely new object of faboyism is updating chipsets, or should I say renaming chipsets for their CPU's and I don't see you calling them disgraceful!!

Anyhow it's good that you are happy now with your new object of adoration...

[Jethro]

I have an AX78 and AOD works perfectly, ALL voltages, multis and readings. Something must be wrong with your hardware or software Soundood. I can clock and tinker all day long on my ABIT AX78 without issue using AOD. Ive found that you HAVE to uninstall AOD and delete the pertaining folder with each update for best results.

Thanks for the update link!

[soundood]

soundood you are far from correct in saying AOD is useless

maybe it is in your case, but without AOD i would be stuck at 2.9 instead of 3.2, 3.1, 2.9, 3.1
3dmark06 score from 14,5k to 16,3k

Does intel have this feature? - Then why are you so bummed that it doesnt work for your board if you are now an "intel fanboy" ?

what Intel does is irelevant here, its what AMD doesnt do, in that video he is sitting saying how this is the 'new' way to adjust and monitor values. therewas no mention of 'only compatible with certain boards'

also you might want to look at the poll, i make it 1/3 of peeps having trouble here, so i am not the only one, i am merely the 'worst case scenario' as macci put it,

and its ok to sit and make comments from the 'i got a working board, and AOD is great seat'

i have just paid £60 for this board, it has all the things i wanted, full support for phenom CPU, and HT links, now i am being told that it doesnt support the flagship AOD?

i say again, its shamless and disgracful, a company this size cant control its referance designs and implementation of software, that it designs for its referance designed boards.

differant if i was sitting here with a 3 year old board, im not. and if you think i am going to waste another £100 on the company for a board that might work with AOD, on the 'new' release, when it comes, and if the board supports it,

given the fact that a 3rd of people here are having trouble with it, i dont give it much hope.

do you wanna give me a 'new' board so that i can jump through the 'i love AMD' hoop?

[soundood]

Dude, you've become Intel fanboy long before you started this crusade against AOD, it's authors and AMD... and all this 'cos your mobo manufacturer gone the way of dodo bird

that has got to be one of the most stupid and useless comments i have ever seen here. in fact its going in my sig

AMD doesn't write BIOS for mobo manufactuters, AMD doen's play Q&A service for them, AMD doesn't jump all over them to make AOD friendly BIOS... those who see strong added value from AOD, and do have healthy business and resources will support AOD and this hasn't got anything to do with AMD...

you really dont have a clue how this works do you?

pff industry progress, technology progress and no one is waiting for next technology update to launch a product... and just for a reminder your lovely new object of faboyism is updating chipsets, or should I say renaming chipsets for their CPU's and I don't see you calling them disgraceful!!

this discussion has nothing to do with Intel, or what they name anything, i couldnt give a monkeys what intel is saying, this is about AMD and WHAT THEY ARE SAYING but you have failed to understand this post at all ehhh? ill spell it out for you

INTEL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD, THIS IS A POLL FOR THE USE OF AMD OVERDRIVE AND ITS FAILURES

Anyhow it's good that you are happy now with your new object of adoration...

whether i am happy with it or not is irelevant, i will say again, just in case you missed it

INTEL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD, THIS IS A POLL FOR THE USE OF AMD OVERDRIVE AND ITS FAILURES

edit: after reading your post again, i see you are indeed just out to insult or argue, as a result i will ignore you from now on, in any post, but feel free to read my reply to you, as it will be the last, and all this from someone that has a quote from Adam Curtis in his sig, the guys is a loon matey, or has nobody told you that, but i guess from your adoration, you will be around 16 -24 years of age, and was very impressed with say his Docu, 'The Powers of Nightmares' and just felt that by doing this to your sig you would seem a bit 'out there' lol

i became an intel fanboy before the crusade?

what are you talking about kid, im sitting here with a AMD rig in sig, how is that an Intel fanboy

industry progress? ohhh we do have short and selective memorys ehh?

correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the SB700/750 meant to ship long ago, ohhh what happened then? ohhh i forget, ohhhh they put the SB600 in instead, ohhhh that bastian of southbridges, that never had a flaw?

all so they could rush out a product that was needed to support an allready realeased CPU, or did you forget that too?

as for ABIT going the way of the dodo, i couldnt give a monkeys about ABIT, i will say it again, AMD hands out the referance to these companys, all of them, then they build the object, and send it back for certifcation, even you know that,

what happened to the AX78?

and jethro, im so glad you got it working matey, but macci has allready accepted that there is issues with the board and bios, and yes i instal AOD on a fresh image of XP/Vista 32 bit

someone said this to me about this forum, its ok to agree, everyone is your friend, when you disagree, then the stallwarts come out and try to put pressure on you. and they end up leaving the forum

seems its true, but im going no where

[Jethro]

I think your way over dramatizing this issue from a budget board soapbox at that... It works and works well. Try something different in your case dont make everyone else pay with drama..

[soundood]

I think your way over dramatizing this issue from a budget board soapbox at that... It works and works well. Try something different in your case dont make everyone else pay with drama..

ohh they are coming out of the woodwork now ehh...lol

budget board soapbox..lol budget baord or not, its got AMD 770 chipset on the side of the box, just like its big brothers...lol your good

works well? for you maybe,but as you might notice from your own sig, you have the 9600BE, i have the 9850BE b3, so what you are saying has no relevance on what macci has said,and for a third of people on here it doesnt, go and have fun with it then , and stop your piontless posting..lol

Try something different in your case dont make everyone else pay with drama.

try maybe another AMD board? they paying you too? no one asked you to read this, so dont, then you dont have to 'pay'

i will say again: someone told me if you agreed on this forum, then they are all your friend, disagree, and they come out to hunt you down, thats two so far anymore?...lol trust me this 'out in the cold routine' doesnt sway me one bit, so please if you feel the need to jump on the AMD yes ship/hate soundood trip, please do so, and i can become your devil....lol

[Nedjo]

INTEL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD, THIS IS A POLL FOR THE USE OF AMD OVERDRIVE AND ITS FAILURES

Oh i see now! You're just another freshly graduated master diploma owner of Intel's viral marketing academy! In other words: "professional fanboy"

feel free to use this for sig

[macci]

I have an AX78 and AOD works perfectly, ALL voltages, multis and readings. I can clock and tinker all day long on my ABIT AX78 without issue using AOD.

This is very interesting Jethro. Thanks for pointing this out.
Which SBIOS version are you running? Also is this WinXP or Vista (and 32 or 64bit)?

soundood,
lets take a few steps back. Like I said I have not tested that board, I dont have first hand experience with it. I was just going by the details you provided. After seeing the response from Jethro it appears that I probably jumped into conclusion there.

Let's try to figure what is causing the issues on your system. OBviously this is not happening on all AX78 boards. This pretty much proves that my assumption about SBIOS issue is probably incorrect. Good news!

Also, lets try to calm down a bit, OK? We are discussing about Overclocking, not about civil rights here

Couple things I can think of:

1) are you running any HW monitoring program or CPU-Z while you hit "Apply" butto of AOD?
2) are you running the same SBIOS as Jethro?

[macci]

also, 27% is closer to 1/4 than 1/3

[soundood]

also, 27% is closer to 1/4 than 1/3

while we are splitting hairs , you forget the -1 from the guy who got the poll wrong, so i make it nearer third than a quarter

my bios is v13

i have a fresh image of XP/Vista here ready to roll again and again, if needed

and by fresh i mean no other software instaled and all updates as of mid august, that i easily update in one hit.

and of course AOD v2.1.3.

but as mentioned jethro has the 9600BE i have 9850BE, and also we have differant hardware configs, this surely is going to impact any 'comparison'? also Hokie from ABIT forums, has a 9600 and it has issues with AOD on his AX78

[soundood]

Oh i see now! You're just another freshly graduated master diploma owner of Intel's viral marketing academy! In other words: "professional fanboy"

feel free to use this for sig

answer

his sig:
"First of all, the people who do blogging, for example, are self-selecting. Quite frankly it's quite clear that what bloggers are is bullies. The internet has removed a lot of constraints on them. You know what they're like: they're deeply emotional, they're bullies, and they often don't get out enough. And they are parasitic upon already existing sources of information - they do little research of their own.

What then happens is this idea of the 'hive mind', instead of leading to a new plurality or a new richness, leads to a growing simplicity." - Adam Curtis


the bit he left out: tee hee

The bloggers from one side act to try to force mainstream media one way, the others try to force it the other way. So what the mainstream media ends up doing is it nervously tries to steer a course between these polarised extremes

what a load of cow manure....lol

and may i remind everone that adam curtis is the overall head of one of the biggest emailed blog in the UK, if not the world , the ever popular PopBiitch....lol

[Jethro]

Using xp sp2 32bit, bios version .13

For some earlier AOD versions (green) I think i may have had to install an OLD version then install the new over it to get it to work i forget Seems like i had to completely wipe it last time to get 2.1.2 to fire tho.. Point is i have had to play around a bit to get it to install correctly but nothing to cry about. Im using 2.1.2 atm about to upgrade and see what happens!

[soundood]

Using xp sp2 32bit, bios version .13

For some earlier AOD versions (green) I think i may have had to install an OLD version then install the new over it to get it to work i forget Seems like i had to completely wipe it last time to get 2.1.2 to fire tho.. Point is i have had to play around a bit to get it to install correctly but nothing to cry about. Im using 2.1.2 atm about to upgrade and see what happens!

so lucky you know what you are doin then ehh Jethro, god help anyone who tries to instal it from the off, and it might be usefull if you instal the version we are debating here, v2.1.3.

and i dont think you need to set the clock back to get it to work either

[macci]

ok, I'm getting an AX78 board, this is too good to miss

soundood,
do you get the same issues if you leave SBIOS to default settings? in particular it would be interesting to see how CPU Vcore works when its left at default from the SBIOS.
You mentioned that 202 just sets it back to 200MHz, this would mean that the clockgen programming has 2.5MHz steps (or bigger). How about 203MHz?

[Jethro]

Just installed 2.1.3 over the top of my 2.1.2 and no issues. Now if i just had a better clocking phenom