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  1. 09-10-2008, 12:12 AM #1
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    Its the same stuff guys... It doesn't make it bad, it's just the nature of CPU tech (as far as I've seen, and my 1st computer was a Commodore Vic20.. )

    I would predict that early 45nm Denebs will compete quite well with well tuned 65nm X4's... Similar to how Brisbanes kept up with Windsor cores.

    The 9950be is actually a pretty good chip... Hopefully Deneb will be able to beat it in the hands of a good tweaker, but it will still need a little time to mature.

    I hope I'm wrong, but if history repeats itself (and I personally think it will), I wouldn't expect miracles from the die shrink/arch changes to Deneb...

    I'm sure Deneb will get better with time, but I'm still waiting for Bulldozer.

    I have no doubt that AMD can come back with a badazz chip similar to the X2, but I really don't think Deneb is what we're waiting for. It will keep them in the hunt, but it won't be the Intel killer we all want...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveburt714 View Post
    Its the same stuff guys... It doesn't make it bad, it's just the nature of CPU tech (as far as I've seen, and my 1st computer was a Commodore Vic20.. )

    I would predict that early 45nm Denebs will compete quite well with well tuned 65nm X4's... Similar to how Brisbanes kept up with Windsor cores.

    The 9950be is actually a pretty good chip... Hopefully Deneb will be able to beat it in the hands of a good tweaker, but it will still need a little time to mature.

    I hope I'm wrong, but if history repeats itself (and I personally think it will), I wouldn't expect miracles from the die shrink/arch changes to Deneb...

    I'm sure Deneb will get better with time, but I'm still waiting for Bulldozer.

    I have no doubt that AMD can come back with a badazz chip similar to the X2, but I really don't think Deneb is what we're waiting for. It will keep them in the hunt, but it won't be the Intel killer we all want...
    this IPC change isn't much.

    Only the lowly L3 has gotten nothing else really.

    Where have 32 way L3 is now 48 wayL3 in deneb.

    I think it's not going anywhere with low 2 way L1 cache then.

    Need 8 way L1 cache a boosted 48way L2 can keep L3 48 way too.

    Add me in 16 sse1,2,3,4 pre-core that chip would be obnoxiously huge in in size lol then again we should be able to fit in that 1.5" square right ?

    how knows maybe it will evolve like the ATI is going with GPU's....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveburt714 View Post
    I would predict that early 45nm Denebs will compete quite well with well tuned 65nm X4's... Similar to how Brisbanes kept up with Windsor cores.
    As I recall, Brisbane cores initially struggled to hit what Windsors were. They launched at like 1.9GHz or something like that and had trouble with the mid-2GHz range. They've improved a LOT during their lifetime.

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    Anyone buy one of these things yet and play with it, or are we all still waiting for Deneb instead?
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  4. 09-26-2008, 07:33 AM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Particle View Post
    As I recall, Brisbane cores initially struggled to hit what Windsors were. They launched at like 1.9GHz or something like that and had trouble with the mid-2GHz range. They've improved a LOT during their lifetime.

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    Anyone buy one of these things yet and play with it, or are we all still waiting for Deneb instead?
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    I'm going to get one in one week. I've already sold my crappy 140W 9950. It was not stable at 3.2GHz at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nanohead View Post
    Are you guys gonna make me buy one of these TOO?
    Oh yes, I'm sure we'll have to twist your arm to get you to do that one, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Particle View Post
    Oh yes, I'm sure we'll have to twist your arm to get you to do that one, eh?
    You're a mean man

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    In stock at the Egg........

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