Vista 64 vs XP 32: HD 4870 X2 Runs better under Vista!

[Rob94hawk]

Of course it's the most "bloated," it's the newest.

XP was more "bloated" than 2000 as well, yet I don't see you history-rewriters complaining about that. Don't even get me started on Windows ME...

If you guys want to ignore the fact that in the past the same crap happens with every new OS (waah, it's bulky. waaaah, it crashes. waaaaah, it underperforms) that's fine, but don't drag your dribble into EVERY topic with Vista in the title. Nobody wants to hear it.

Agreed. People that complain about Vista either are idiots that have no business even being near a computer or are just too ing lazy to figure out how it works.

[Sly Fox]

Agreed. People that complain about Vista either are idiots that have no business even being near a computer or are just too ing lazy to figure out how it works.

Well, I don't really know about that...

But I do firmly believe that too many people obsess over it's flaws to such a degree that they feel they NEED to post it in every single topic that has any relation to Vista. We get it, it's not perfect and XP is much more lightweight, that's great, keep using XP. I'm not here to judge anyone based on their OS choice... I just don't see why every thread needs comments that are more often than not blatant exaggerations or downright inventions.

In any case, I think it's good no matter which way you spin it that it's nice to see Vista drivers catching up to XP in mostly all regards. For people that want 2X 4870X2, I believe you're restrained to Vista. So I think it's important for ATI in particular to keep the drivers in line.

[Clint]

Agreed. People that complain about Vista either are idiots that have no business even being near a computer or are just too ing lazy to figure out how it works.

It's funny how the Vista defenders all to often gets emotional when someome is picking on their shiny new toy. And ofcourse in the next post they excuses a lower performance in game or benchmark with "mind you, this is with Vista".

I have yet not seen anyone that is pro-XP getting emotional like this, actually they tend to show numbers instead of emotions.

[RejZoR]

Numbers? Right. Last time i showed the numbers from several tests they said they don't trust the source. Right. Every excuse is a good one... And i'm not sure how can you count Vista as "new toy". It's been out for a year and a half... and i've been using it since its release.
The difference was noticeable up to around May/June 2007. And not from the Vista side but from the drivers side. Especially graphics part and partially sound. Today? Sorry, i don't see any reason why i'd even virtually bother myself with how my games run. They run ultra fast entirely maxed out. Sound is also exactly the same as on XP with my X-Fi. But i admit they weren't working that well till May/June 2007.
But that was entirely drivers fault, get it? I get all pissed off because ppl trash Vista and Microsoft, even though it's not their fault for that by milion miles. Has anyone ever ranted on any forum "omg stupid NVIDIA/AMD/Intel, they can't make god damn drivers right" ?
No, it was always "omfg, Vista sucks", "Omfg Microsoft sucks". C'mon, give me a break.

[dr.noob]

Numbers? Right. Last time i showed the numbers from several tests they said they don't trust the source. Right. Every excuse is a good one... And i'm not sure how can you count Vista as "new toy". It's been out for a year and a half... and i've been using it since its release.
The difference was noticeable up to around May/June 2007. And not from the Vista side but from the drivers side. Especially graphics part and partially sound. Today? Sorry, i don't see any reason why i'd even virtually bother myself with how my games run. They run ultra fast entirely maxed out. Sound is also exactly the same as on XP with my X-Fi. But i admit they weren't working that well till May/June 2007.
But that was entirely drivers fault, get it? I get all pissed off because ppl trash Vista and Microsoft, even though it's not their fault for that by milion miles. Has anyone ever ranted on any forum "omg stupid NVIDIA/AMD/Intel, they can't make god damn drivers right" ?
No, it was always "omfg, Vista sucks", "Omfg Microsoft sucks". C'mon, give me a break.

The truth is they will love all the things they hate now!

Agree that creative with vista sucks a bit, cuz i play counter strike source and its not such good as in xp!But i love everything else in vista.

ohh and i have a new quote

[RejZoR]

Well, i find CS:S sound on X-Fi just fine. Just use ALchemy with it and use values 5 for buffers and 10 for duration (in the dsound.ini file). Game mode must be used. Works like a charm really

EDIT:
Wow i made it into a quote lol. Though it sounds better if you know the entire context of that line...

[xMrBunglex]

... and this thread is officially off topic now.

since we're bashing Vista, i'd like to add that Windows Photo Gallery won't display .GIF images. Micro$oft took something as simple and eloquent as the Windows Pictures and Fax Viewer and they replaced it with a shiny new program that doesn't display .GIF images. my expensive new operating system recommends i use Internet Explorer to view my .GIFs (because we all know web browsers make great image viewers and slide shows).

Vista is all about taking one step forward and two steps back. there are some great innovations in this OS that are often overshadowed by frequent annoyances. and then there are the truly evil things: the extra DRM, using DX10 to lure unsuspecting gamers, charging $400 for the full version and gimping the regular version, etc. and all you guys with sound cards know you got screwed out of EAX, right? now you have to live with hacked audio drivers from Creative to work around Vista's sound stack. and we all know how great Creative is with drivers.

UAC is a great idea, but it just doesn't learn. i want to be able to tell it which programs to trust so it stops bothering me every time i open CPU-Z. but UAC doesn't learn. it just ends up getting disabled by most users, rendering it utterly useless.

[jmke]

this is still about XP vs Vista gaming, all others please go off-topic somewhere else please

[Clint]

Numbers? Right. Last time i showed the numbers from several tests they said they don't trust the source. Right. Every excuse is a good one... And i'm not sure how can you count Vista as "new toy". It's been out for a year and a half... and i've been using it since its release.
The difference was noticeable up to around May/June 2007. And not from the Vista side but from the drivers side. Especially graphics part and partially sound. Today? Sorry, i don't see any reason why i'd even virtually bother myself with how my games run. They run ultra fast entirely maxed out. Sound is also exactly the same as on XP with my X-Fi. But i admit they weren't working that well till May/June 2007.
But that was entirely drivers fault, get it? I get all pissed off because ppl trash Vista and Microsoft, even though it's not their fault for that by milion miles. Has anyone ever ranted on any forum "omg stupid NVIDIA/AMD/Intel, they can't make god damn drivers right" ?
No, it was always "omfg, Vista sucks", "Omfg Microsoft sucks". C'mon, give me a break.

And that was the emotional poster.

... and this thread is officially off topic now.

since we're bashing Vista, i'd like to add that Windows Photo Gallery won't display .GIF images. Micro$oft took something as simple and eloquent as the Windows Pictures and Fax Viewer and they replaced it with a shiny new program that doesn't display .GIF images. my expensive new operating system recommends i use Internet Explorer to view my .GIFs (because we all know web browsers make great image viewers and slide shows).

Vista is all about taking one step forward and two steps back. there are some great innovations in this OS that are often overshadowed by frequent annoyances. and then there are the truly evil things: the extra DRM, using DX10 to lure unsuspecting gamers, charging $400 for the full version and gimping the regular version, etc. and all you guys with sound cards know you got screwed out of EAX, right? now you have to live with hacked audio drivers from Creative to work around Vista's sound stack. and we all know how great Creative is with drivers.

UAC is a great idea, but it just doesn't learn. i want to be able to tell it which programs to trust so it stops bothering me every time i open CPU-Z. but UAC doesn't learn. it just ends up getting disabled by most users, rendering it utterly useless.

And this was a bit more informative and used facts both for and against.


so I repeat:

It's funny how the Vista defenders all to often gets emotional when someome is picking on their shiny new toy. And ofcourse in the next post they excuses a lower performance in game or benchmark with "mind you, this is with Vista".

I have yet not seen anyone that is pro-XP getting emotional like this, actually they tend to show numbers instead of emotions.

[xMrBunglex]

Sound is also exactly the same as on XP with my X-Fi. But i admit they weren't working that well till May/June 2007.
But that was entirely drivers fault, get it?

you're dead wrong on that count. Vista eliminated DirectSound's hardware abstraction layer that was used in XP. Vista actually killed EAX, which extended the DirectSound3D API. that's why ALchemy is such a Frankenstein program and it doesn't support all EAX games.

[RejZoR]

...and all you guys with sound cards know you got screwed out of EAX, right? now you have to live with hacked audio drivers from Creative to work around Vista's sound stack. and we all know how great Creative is with drivers.

No, i don't feel i got screwed in any way. Using ALchemy takes me um 5 seconds to copy 2 files and place them in the right folder. Tadah, HW sound and full EAX support.
I just think those without ALchemy are jealous about it. And yeah, when you do try it, it's very hard to go back. I was using onboard ADI AD2000b chip for a while till i fixed one cap on my Xtreme Music. And lack of hardware mixer under Vista was a big pain in the ass. Thank god it's at least OpenAL capable so WinAMP could output the sound through Wumpus OAL plugin.

@Clint
Emotional? No, thats how it actually was. The framerates rocketed off the charts around may or june when NVIDIA released new set of ForceWare. Before that, even Aero Glass hardly worked...

@xMrBunglex
I seriously hope you're talking that from personal experience. Because out of whole bunch of games that i tried, ONLY Rally Championship 2000 failed to use ALchemy properly. Well, it worked with hardware mixing for as long as EAX was disabled. 1 single game. And i enjoy over 50 others like they're using native hardware mixing. You can call it zombiestein if you want, i still have HW mixing and EAX under Vista. I win either way in the end...

[Stanley Pain]

Gotta love the threads that degenerate into VISTA SUX/VISTA OWNZ

Nothing wrong with Vista, if you don't like it, speak with your wallet and don't buy it.

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+1

sorry if it is already stated but i would like to ask why XP SP3 (32-bit) and Vista SP1 (64-bit)?

Why not 64bit Vista vs 64bit XP?
Why not 32bit Vista vs 32bit XP?

[Mad1723]

Because XP64 drivers are sometimes hard to find... and 32bits would have been clearly a good idea though... Why haven't they done the comparison, good question

[RejZoR]

If you want to have more than 4GB of RAM there isn't really any choice. And any sane person would chose Vista x64...

[saveus222]

yup yup mad the move to vista too.. think SP1 too solved a lot of issues.. and i figured id have to use vista sometime or the other to get myself familiar