AMD Athlon X2 6500 Black Edition (AD6500WCGHBOX) gets priced - 88e!

[informal]

It arrives at some Euro online shops:
http://www.hardwareschotte.de/hardwa...+AD6500WCGHBOX

http://geizhals.at/eu/a361555.html

Stepping B3
Herstellerlink.de : AMD
Anschlüsse
CPU-Sockel : Sockel AM2+
Leistung
Verlustleistung (TDP) : 95 Watt
Prozessor
Prozessorkern : Dualcore
Taktfrequenz pro Kern : 2300MHz
Front Side Bus (FSB) / Hyper Transport Spec : 3600MHz
Der Chip
Code Name : Kuma
Fertigungsprozess : 0.065 µm
L1-Cache (insgesamt) : 256KByte
L2-Cache (insgesamt) : 1024KByte
shared L2-Cache (bei Multicore CPUs) : Nein
L3-Cache (insgesamt) : 2MB
Ausstattung
Kühler liegt bei (Boxed) : Ja
Multiprozessorfähig : Nein
DualChannel : ja
Prozessor Erweiterungen : MMX(+) / 3DNow(+) / SSE / SSE2 / SSE3 / SSE4a / OPM / SMP / 64Bit (EMT64/X86-64) / Virenschutz (NX-Bit/XD-Bit) / Virtualisierungstechnik (Intel-VT/AMD-V) / Sicherheitsfunktionen (Presidio/TXT)
Spannungsebene : 1.1 bis 1.25 Volt
Herstellergarantie : 3 Jahre
Herstellerproduktlink : nicht vorhanden (Produktlink melden)

Dual-Core "Kuma" • TDP: 95W • Fertigung: 65nm • Hypertransport: kA • Memory Controller: kA • Stepping: B3 • MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4a, Enhanced 3DNow!, NX bit, AMD64, Cool'n'Quiet • Multiplikator offen!

It's a K10 alright .And one that seems to be highly OCable since AMD thinks it's their "most powerful Dual Core " chip.
88e-90e is a good starting price,but i think it will go down very soon.

[MasterOfTheReal]

I've been waiting for something like this, I wanna play with some AM2 but didint seem worth it yet.
Intel gets boring....

[Tony]

ooooo play time soon

[charged3800z24]

ooooo play time soon

I am real curious to see how it over clocks.. I might have to own one of these too.. with only 2 cores it should have a better chance,,

[bblazed]

Any word if this is a Quad with 2 cores + L2 disabled or a native dual? I'm guessing not the latter.

[metro.cl]

Sounds like a joke 2.3GHz and 95Watts for a dual core then if we add how badly Phenom Overclocks en Quads and Triple cores i dont expect huge overclocks at all.

[informal]

Sounds like a joke 2.3GHz and 95Watts for a dual core then if we add how badly Phenom Overclocks en Quads and Triple cores i dont expect huge overclocks at all.

I see you must have been out of XS AMD section for a while,since the SB750+ Phenom 9950/9850 pretty much contradicts your statement.
Oh and also,AMD just released X3 Black Edition,so X3s will clock good too.
By good i mean anything between 3 and 3.4Ghz ,stable on air.

[metro.cl]

I see you must have been out of XS AMD section for a while,since the SB750+ Phenom 9950/9850 pretty much contradicts your statement.
Oh and also,AMD just released X3 Black Edition,so X3s will clock good too.
By good i mean anything between 3 and 3.4Ghz ,stable on air.

Really? so 4GHz overclocks are a normal thing on Phenom X4 and X3? i havent seen many

Remember that this X2 goes against Core 2 Duo on 45nm, so if it doesnt scale at least to 4GHz it doesnt have much to do, talking about performance.

Highest Phenom i've seen and with sub-zero temps and i would definetely not call it a good overclock (% of OC compared to "other" CPUs).

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=199643

If you check some sigs here 3GHz+ on aire is not average

Then go to HWBot and check "average overclocks" for X4 and X3 they are pretty bad

http://hwbot.org/browseHardwareProce...ubFamilyId=158
http://hwbot.org/browseHardwareProce...ubFamilyId=148

P.S. Seems like we have completely diferent levels of "Good".

[informal]

3Ghz is not in many sigs simply because not a lot people have their SB750 boards yet.They are running their Phenoms in SB600.
But 3Ghz with SB750 is pretty common,unless you got a really "bad" chip(which can happen).
As for the hwbot,it doesn't really represent the common case since SB750 boards haven't fully hit the market.And Phenoms are improving,you see a 9950 now rated at 125W.
As for the intel comment,i think you got the wrong section of the forum,since this is AMD section where AMD enthusiast reside.We like tweking our systems.Will this new Phenom be able to OC to e7xxx levels?No it won't.But i personally don't care,since i don't own nor plan to own dead-way socket 775 anyway .Maybe some other users will try it tho,and it's all good if it satisfies them.

Market will decide if a product is good or not,and you very well know most of people(95% i'd say) don't know what overclocking is,let alone try OCing.Heck,most of those 95% are scared to even try pressing Del. to enter the BIOS...

So your 4Ghz OCs matter only to enthusiast and they are small in numbers.The other big number is where the OEMs are,and if the price is right,and performance is good,like i think it will be, X2/3/4s will sell good.Not at prices AMD would like(due to fierce competition),but they will sell.

[Macadamia]

This is pretty pointless compared to the X3 8750 or X4 9950 though.

With the X3 at least you know for the price paid the baby OCed to 3+ghz is going to give the E7k a hard time. This? I dunno, even 3.3Ghz Brisbanes might be better.

[charged3800z24]

I thought.. it was supose to be just 2 cores using the same tech.. but who knows for sure...2mb L3 cache shouldn't be to bad for just 2 cores..

[demonkevy666]

I thought.. it was supose to be just 2 cores using the same tech.. but who knows for sure...2mb L3 cache shouldn't be to bad for just 2 cores..

3mb of cache overall.

if this was using the same tech they should spread the core out more & make it have 1mb of l2 cache for each core.

15% faster at same clock speed as K8.

That's where it should hit maybe more, since it still has more cache then the an x2 Brisbane.

[informal]

3mb of cache overall.

if this was using the same tech they should spread the core out more & make it have 1mb of l2 cache for each core.

15% faster at same clock speed as K8.

That's where it should hit maybe more, since it still has more cache then the an x2 Brisbane.

15-20% but in integer and ~60% in SSE optimized is more like it.It has double the SSE resources of a K8 among other improvements.If they could only speed up that slowish L3,which will be a matter of clock speed(in Deneb).

[MoF]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=199643

If you check some sigs here 3GHz+ on aire is not average

I can run mine stably at 3,2GHz at 1,35 volts (stock 1,3 volts).

Yet I don't have it in my sig. Does it mean I don't have 3+GHz? No, it doesn't.

[metro.cl]

3Ghz is not in many sigs simply because not a lot people have their SB750 boards yet.They are running their Phenoms in SB600.
But 3Ghz with SB750 is pretty common,unless you got a really "bad" chip(which can happen).
As for the hwbot,it doesn't really represent the common case since SB750 boards haven't fully hit the market.And Phenoms are improving,you see a 9950 now rated at 125W.
As for the intel comment,i think you got the wrong section of the forum,since this is AMD section where AMD enthusiast reside.We like tweking our systems.Will this new Phenom be able to OC to e7xxx levels?No it won't.But i personally don't care,since i don't own nor plan to own dead-way socket 775 anyway .Maybe some other users will try it tho,and it's all good if it satisfies them.

Market will decide if a product is good or not,and you very well know most of people(95% i'd say) don't know what overclocking is,let alone try OCing.Heck,most of those 95% are scared to even try pressing Del. to enter the BIOS...

So your 4Ghz OCs matter only to enthusiast and they are small in numbers.The other big number is where the OEMs are,and if the price is right,and performance is good,like i think it will be, X2/3/4s will sell good.Not at prices AMD would like(due to fierce competition),but they will sell.

Well then SB750 and the better overclocks are also minimal for AMD, overclock counts both ways or it doesnt both ways.

I can run mine stably at 3,2GHz at 1,35 volts (stock 1,3 volts).

Yet I don't have it in my sig. Does it mean I don't have 3+GHz? No, it doesn't.

Quite a bad post, check the links to HWBot afaik is the biggest database and for overclocked rigs for benching and 3GHz is still not average for all models.

[gosh]

Remember that this X2 goes against Core 2 Duo on 45nm, so if it doesnt scale at least to 4GHz it doesnt have much to do, talking about performance.

Even if you clock C2D to 4.0+ GHz you will not take advantage of the speed of fast memory. This is important playing games in order to get higher LOW FPS. AMD is able to use the memory speed.

[MoF]

Quite a bad post, check the links to HWBot afaik is the biggest database and for overclocked rigs for benching and 3GHz is still not average for all models.

Hwbot has absolutely nothing to do with the part I commented (and quoted) on:

If you check some sigs here 3GHz+ on aire is not average

So quite a bad post by you instead this time.

[kazgirl]

Well then SB750 and the better overclocks are also minimal for AMD, overclock counts both ways or it doesnt both ways.



Quite a bad post, check the links to HWBot afaik is the biggest database and for overclocked rigs for benching and 3GHz is still not average for all models.

I've had 3.0Ghz out of mine and run 3dmark06 with it, result is in my sig, I don't really bother that much with HWbot though, so not all users/OC'ers/Benchers submit results to HWBot.

AFAIK most people who do submit results to HWBot are competetitive benchers, and as we all know the best results are acheivable at the moment with Intel CPU's so the prevalence of results on HWBot will be Intel, not AMD.

So HWBot doesn't give any kind of reflection really on AMD overclocking performance within the AMD community....

The same can be said even for Futuremarks ORB, there is a much higher number of results for Intel as they are so much easier and less of a challenge to OC, that the majority of people use Intel, but AMD enthusiasts IMO enjoy the challenge that comes with OC'ng the new architecture that AMD has provided in K10 and will again with K10.5...

[Tony]

AMD overclockers generally don't bother with the BOT, so going over there to see an average OC is a worthless exercise.

Metro, you are assuming the guys in the AMD section give a damn about a comparison to Intel...the fact is if you read what the AMD guys say they often do not. They enjoy clocking AMD processors for the fact they are different to Intel ones, even I am fed up with FSB and TRD and can not wait for Intel's HT implementation ...ooohh sorry QPI LOL

I'm all for a dual core K10, more fun, it may be an awesome clocker with a low base speed but with massive headroom. Much like my 1333EB ram here, 1333 base speed with 2000+MHZ headroom

[informal]

metro.cl what you wrote in your last post is called a straw man argument.Also,you base your arguments on hwbot and you avoid responding to my post by posting total fallacy that SB750 doesn't help OCs.

As pointed out to you by MoF hwbot is not a reliable source since it's used only by benchers.There are a lot of people who didn't even hear about hwbot let alone submit their results.
Not to mention that SB750,like i already told you,are not a gimmick and actually help Phenom OCing quite a lot.
Why you fail to understand this is beyond me.

Quite a bad post, check the links to HWBot afaik is the biggest database and for overclocked rigs for benching and 3GHz is still not average for all models.

So his post is bad only because he didn't submit his results to hwbot?
Yeah,your post is quite good.

[Tony]

The point here is some people can not get it in their heads that some prefer to play with the underdog not to show it can be faster just because they enjoy it.

I talk to quite a few reviewers that feel the same way...why do you play with Phenom when Core Quad is faster?....eerrr because I like too!!! and you get the answer...oohhh weird..LOL

The sooner people understand it does not matter what is faster, it matters what you like the sooner the constant bickering you see on XS will go away.

[Mechromancer]

The 2.3Ghz GE-6600 is 10% faster than the 3.0Ghz X2 6000+ in GRID and matches it in the other apps according to these tests: Translated PCGH Test

These things are WAY faster clock for clock than the 6000+! This is a 700Mhz difference we're talking about and it is 10% faster? It is basically the same clock for clock as the Core 2 Duo. Notice all the Phenoms perform very close clock for clock to comparable Intel chips in this test. Why did the Phenom get such a bad rap? Because of bad SuperPi results?

[Eson]

Because of bad SuperPi results?

Probably. Its very important for the everyday user..

[informal]

The 2.5Ghz GE-6600 is 10% faster than the 3.0Ghz X2 6000+ in GRID and matches it in the other apps according to these tests: Translated PCGH Test

Just small correction,Phenom X2 GE-6600(the same as 6500 BE,only with locked multi) is clocked @ 2.3Ghz ,not @2.5Ghz.

These things are WAY faster clock for clock than the 6000+! This is a 700Mhz difference we're talking about and it is 10% faster? It is basically the same clock for clock as the Core 2 Duo. Notice all the Phenoms perform very close clock for clock to comparable Intel chips in this test. Why did the Phenom get such a bad rap? Because of bad SuperPi results?

Yeah SuperPI,and reviews like this:
http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/...re/1810_1.html

Contents:

1. Introduction
2. 9950+ Features
3. Spider Platform System Build
4. Test Setup and Overclocking
5. CPU Bench 2004
6. PCMark Vantage
7. PCMark05
8. Sysmark 2007
9. 3DMark
10. Pifast
11. SpecViewPerf10
12. Conclusion

Now look at the test suit and tell me wth is that? Apart from SpecViewPerf10 that has some real world apps inside,all the rest is pure synthetic crap.But it's much easier to test a CPU by running 10 synthetic one-click bs tests than real world performance where you actually have to sit down and measure the time/run actual applications and write some data and compare it.

[Mechromancer]

Just small correction,Phenom X2 GE-6600(the same as 6500 BE,only with locked multi) is clocked @ 2.3Ghz ,not @2.5Ghz.


Yeah SuperPI,and reviews like this:
http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/...re/1810_1.html

Now look at the test suit and tell me wth is that? Apart from SpecViewPerf10 that has some real world apps inside,all the rest is pure synthetic crap.But it's much easier to test a CPU by running 10 synthetic one-click bs tests than real world performance where you actually have to sit down and measure the time/run actual applications and write some data and compare it.

Thanks for the correction.

Also those test suites are usually designed with Intel architectures in mind. The Phenom is not a synthetic bench whore. In fact, according to David Kanter and a few other people that have analyzed the K10 design, it is supposed to excel at dynamic workloads and floating point intensive apps. Multithreaded gaming and server applications seem to show that.