The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

[freyesm]

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Memory (using a single module for OC tests):


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Gradius

[Furiøùs]

Hello, is the CPU GTL Reference or the North Bridge GTL Reference influence on the stability of over?

Possibly. i changed the CPU GTL Reference after noticing it at 0.63x, so i changed it to 0.67x.

so my CPU GTL REFERENCE is 0.67x
and my NB GTL REFERENCE is also 0.67x

[Grnfinger]

is the problem well known then? when i turn on my pc in the morning from a cold boot, i get 3/4 bsods within 5/10 mins

reinstalled vista twice, and tried 3 different versions on matrix drivers.

its not my overclock as it does it with everything default


I wonder if its worth an rma, no doubt having to pay for the postage to send it back to me as there were "no faults"

This is an old problem and easily solved.
Your ram is NOT compatible with the board.
The only Crucial ram compatable is PC 5400, swap your ram out and I'll bet the problem is gone.

Possibly. i changed the CPU GTL Reference after noticing it at 0.63x, so i changed it to 0.67x.

so my CPU GTL REFERENCE is 0.67x
and my NB GTL REFERENCE is also 0.67x

Possibly???

It has a direct influence on stability so does CPU PLL

wrong gtl's and the chip is very hard to stabilize

Hi, i need help!!!

I can not stabilize my system to 3.6. I want to help one and a guidance if with some setting wrong.

The computer starts the windows and then crash or restart.

leave everything alone but the multi, drop it to 7x450 and see if it boots, this will eliminate a FSB wall
Post back with your results

[CBird28]

This is an old problem and easily solved.
Your ram is NOT compatible with the board.
The only Crucial ram compatable is PC 5400, swap your ram out and I'll bet the problem is gone.




Possibly???

It has a direct influence on stability so does CPU PLL

wrong gtl's and the chip is very hard to stabilize





leave everything alone but the multi, drop it to 7x450 and see if it boots, this will eliminate a FSB wall
Post back with your results

sounds good to me! not that i dont believe you but do you have any links? i googled all over and cant find

[RCG_Bex]

*scratches head* So with the PLL, what is considered suitable for daily on this board then if 1.56 is high? All I've done is upped the v-core from my 4.5ghz settings and it's booted and running perfect. So far prime has ran fine.

~Bex

[Grnfinger]

*scratches head* So with the PLL, what is considered suitable for daily on this board then if 1.56 is high? All I've done is upped the v-core from my 4.5ghz settings and it's booted and running perfect. So far prime has ran fine.

~Bex

1.56PLL is not high anything above 1.70 for 65nm is bad anything above 1.60 for 45nm is bad.

sounds good to me! not that i dont believe you but do you have any links? i googled all over and cant find

This argument has already been done, if you need conformation take the time to search this thread or do what I did and call Crucial , X38 and Ballistix ram = NO

[freyesm]

Got 440x8 stable (wasn't possible, huh?), with lower CPU voltage now, 1.304V from 1.336V.

Temps never go beyond 60C now.

Probably 440x8 (3.52GHz) is the limit on P5E with Q9450. Oh well, better than nothing.

Gradius

[les_paulde]

This argument has already been done, if you need conformation take the time to search this thread or do what I did and call Crucial , X38 and Ballistix ram = NO

So is it possible this does not apply to the x48 chipset? I'm running PC8500 Ballistix tracers on my rampaged P5E deluxe and they run rocksolid, even on auto settings?

[RCG_Bex]

1.56PLL is not high anything above 1.70 for 65nm is bad anything above 1.60 for 45nm is bad.

Sorry, 1.56v in the BIOS so it's probably 1.66ish real. I'm still learning with this chip and BIOS. I think I abused my E6750 too much, but it was my first chip that I ever OC'd so it got slammed hard. Retired it to my LAN cube - I think ~6months @ 4Ghz has served me well

It's all on water and I'm about to re-do my loop with better cooling. So at least this time round the NB will have a real cooler :P

Debated whether or not to do the mosfets but not sure... maybe just get new heatsinks for them...

~Bex

PS. I just got 4.8GHz running on the 266 strap Now it's stupid fast!!! Time to drop da voltages!

[Grnfinger]

So is it possible this does not apply to the x48 chipset? I'm running PC8500 Ballistix tracers on my rampaged P5E deluxe and they run rocksolid, even on auto settings?

yes you are correct x48 chipsets run fine
But some users have ran Tracers on X38 without issue as well.
about 6 months ago there was a member with ram issues after a few pages of arguments I took the time to call Crucial and spoke to a level 2 tech support.
He reported that X38 is NOT supported, the only Crucial ram "officially supported" was PC5400

[CBird28]

just ordered 4gb (2x 2gb)Corsair Dominator DDR2 PC2-8500

[RCG_Bex]

yes you are correct x48 chipsets run fine
But some users have ran Tracers on X38 without issue as well.
about 6 months ago there was a member with ram issues after a few pages of arguments I took the time to call Crucial and spoke to a level 2 tech support.
He reported that X38 is NOT supported, the only Crucial ram "officially supported" was PC5400

Yeah it was Renegade wasn't it? Thing went on for like 6 pages and every other week how he reported "dead ram again"

~Bex

[The Nemesis]

My 2GB Kit of crucial 8500 16F3's work but with just about everything on auto only. They are not stable either. Same goes for most my OCZ kits. Never knew there was a reported problem as I'm kinda a late comer to this board.(Picked it up @ Fry's for $145 clearance open box). At least now I know why I've had so much trouble.

[les_paulde]

thanks for clarifying that Grnfinger! I just ordered another 2x 1Gb set of the tracers as my 2Gb is just not enough (especially noticeable in Crysis), so I'm hoping all 4 sticks will run as fast and stable as just a single set. I just wanted to make sure that the general experience with the tracers is good with the x48 chipset before buying a 2nd set... Cheers!

[aussie-revhead]

Guys , what causes "cmos error" on the LCD poster ? Can an inadequate psu do this ?

[Levesque]

X38 and Ballistix ram = NO

Yep, exactly. A Crucial rep confirmed this to me and told me that Crucial Balliastix PC8500 are incompatible with X38 motherboards, and gave me a full refund on my Ballistix 4X1GB 8500. After 1 month of using them, I was getting random reboots and alot of problems, without any overclocking!

Since then, I'm using Corsair 4X2GB (8GB) PC8500 and it's working perfectly, even overclocked! 8GB!

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Hmm, I didn't notice any problems with my 16FD5 Ballistix 8500 running on my Maximus, at 600MHz no less.

[Grnfinger]

Yeah it was Renegade wasn't it? Thing went on for like 6 pages and every other week how he reported "dead ram again"

~Bex

we wont name names

My 2GB Kit of crucial 8500 16F3's work but with just about everything on auto only. They are not stable either. Same goes for most my OCZ kits. Never knew there was a reported problem as I'm kinda a late comer to this board.(Picked it up @ Fry's for $145 clearance open box). At least now I know why I've had so much trouble.

I posted a link many many pages back where a member from OC forums had this Crucial problem, this is where my information comes from. Then like I said the disscusion turned into a argument so I called Crucial to put the matter to rest

Hmm, I didn't notice any problems with my 16FD5 Ballistix 8500 running on my Maximus, at 600MHz no less.

Like I posted above some ppl have had NO issues running Tracers on the X38 board

[By0T0xN]

Like I posted above some ppl have had NO issues running Tracers on the X38 board

I too have been running 16FD5 Ballistix 8500 on my Maximus since Feb. No problems here and I'm running a decent lil OC on them and the cpu. Now having said that I did have a lot of trouble with the single sided crap they were pushing on us back then. I wouldn't mind grabing some Corsair 2x2gb 8500's and seein what they could do for me.

[Vienna]

1.56PLL is not high anything above 1.70 for 65nm is bad anything above 1.60 for 45nm is bad.



This argument has already been done, if you need conformation take the time to search this thread or do what I did and call Crucial , X38 and Ballistix ram = NO

Ummm, with new single sided Ballistix, or Old dual sided Ballistix? Because I have the old school dual sided Ballistix O/C and etc running perfectly in my system, 4x PC 8500 Ballistix Tracer(Old School/Orginal Revision Dual Sided) since Feburary (the Ram is older, I've had the ram since July 2007 4x1GB) 2 Sticks 24Hr Orthos/Prime Stable at 630.1 MHz @ 5-5-4-7, 4 Sticks 24Hr Orthos/Prime Stable at 601.4 MHz @ 5-5-4-7, no clue on the voltages I have not touched my bios since March :P , I actually have been running at the 4 sticks at 601.4MHz 24/7 and my whole system, BIOS, etc(Ignoring GPU and HD upgrades) untouched since Febuary/March

Not to accuse anyone of anything but..... personal experance says otherwise

[steve30x]

After switching from the Maximus bios to the Rampage bios, will the OS redetect and reinstall everything, or is the bios switch pretty transparent to the OS? I'm guessing the OS will see it like a completely different motherboard, but I'm sure someone can tell me for sure.

Ive switched to the Rampage bios just now and the drivers didnt need to be changed. My system is a bit more responsive also.

[Grnfinger]

Ummm, with new single sided Ballistix, or Old dual sided Ballistix? Because I have the old school dual sided Ballistix O/C and etc running perfectly in my system, 4x PC 8500 Ballistix Tracer(Old School/Orginal Revision Dual Sided) since Feburary (the Ram is older, I've had the ram since July 2007 4x1GB) 2 Sticks 24Hr Orthos/Prime Stable at 630.1 MHz @ 5-5-4-7, 4 Sticks 24Hr Orthos/Prime Stable at 601.4 MHz @ 5-5-4-7, no clue on the voltages I have not touched my bios since March :P , I actually have been running at the 4 sticks at 601.4MHz 24/7 and my whole system, BIOS, etc(Ignoring GPU and HD upgrades) untouched since Febuary/March

Not to accuse anyone of anything but..... personal experance says otherwise

If you read my post it will tell you that others have had no issues running them, The ones running them with success seem to be the double sided original revisions you speek of and I should have stated that to prevent confusion,

[Draculea]

Hello all! Could someone give me some input over my settings?

CPU: 8400 VID-1.225 Water cooled
RAM: Mushkin 2x2 Gb 8500 (991599)
GPU: ATI Asus HD3870x2 WC no OC
MB: Asus Maximus Formula ( MOD Rampage Formula ) Bios 403
PSU: Thermaltake Quatro 850w
HDD: 2x Samsung 640Gb Raid 0
OS: Vista x64


Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9.0
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 105
DRAM Frequency: 1081
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A : Advance 250 or 300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B : Advance 250 or 300
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level 7
Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.45 - 1.432 CPU-z
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51
DRAM Voltage : 2.02
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.2
South Bridge Voltage : 1.05
South Bridge 1.5v Voltage: 1.50
Loadline Calibration : Enable
CPU GTL Reference : x.65 tried x.067
North Bridge GTL Reference : x.67
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2 Ref
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2 Ref
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2 Ref
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Enabled ..........??????
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled

Boots fine in Windows. Can run any benchmark, no problems. Can run any game for hours with no trouble at all. Tried relaxing the memory settings, no go. PLL is as high as i would go. FSB Term makes no difference. NB Volts also none.

Any stress test will fail after 5-30 sec: Orthos, OCCT, Prime 95.

Thank you!

[RCG_Bex]

Gah, running 4.8Ghz an dit gets fussy... it was booting now it's not, and then it is and then it's not... I think it's just voltage that's the issue though.... tempted to try for 5GHz even just for the screeny (I'm pretty sure I'll never get daily out of it). 48Ghz seems do-able though, not too high - can get it booting ~ 1.45v - was stable at 1.48v but I think I've changed something else like a termination voltage because as I say - it was deffo working just not 100% stress tested.... Will have a play around with it later...

~Bex

[RCG_Bex]

Hello all! Could someone give me some input over my settings?

CPU: 8400 VID-1.225 Water cooled
RAM: Mushkin 2x2 Gb 8500 (991599)
GPU: ATI Asus HD3870x2 WC no OC
MB: Asus Maximus Formula ( MOD Rampage Formula ) Bios 403
PSU: Thermaltake Quatro 850w
HDD: 2x Samsung 640Gb Raid 0
OS: Vista x64


Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9.0
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 105
DRAM Frequency: 1081
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A : Advance 250 or 300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B : Advance 250 or 300
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level 7
Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.45 - 1.432 CPU-z
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.52
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51
DRAM Voltage : 2.02
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.4
South Bridge Voltage : 1.05
South Bridge 1.5v Voltage: 1.50
Loadline Calibration : Enable
CPU GTL Reference : x.65 tried x.067
North Bridge GTL Reference : x.67
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2 Ref
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2 Ref
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2 Ref
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Enabled ..........??????
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled

Boots fine in Windows. Can run any benchmark, no problems. Can run any game for hours with no trouble at all. Tried relaxing the memory settings, no go. PLL is as high as i would go. FSB Term makes no difference. NB Volts also none.

Any stress test will fail after 5-30 sec: Orthos, OCCT, Prime 95.

Thank you!

Recomendations in bold, I'm sure Grn can help you more though, that's just what I'd try...