"ASUS P5Q Deluxe discussion".

[mathewgx]

How much does it overvolt? Got any measurements? Bios 1201 for me overvolts from bios set 0.01v at idle, which increases to 0.02v over bios set under load.

I don't have a polymeter , so i can't answer you that. But the fact is that the ram should be running at 2.1v and it is running smoothly at 1.96-1.98v. So , i'd say that there is a lot of overvolting here.

[Retro]

Linpack, OCCT, Orthos, and Prime 95 are evil. They are brought from the depths of hell from Satan himself, to antagonize and bring misery to those who choose to overclock. "Beware, to those who choose to walk these halls"

[Martin.v.r]

fun ASUS P5Q Deluxe bios 1306 E8600 G.skill PC8000

[mac_69]

Leeghoofd thats what i was thinking, but the fact that it stressed it so much may have caused my CPU or Memory or Mobo to degrade the 3.6ghz linpack 1.4 stable as it passed it before several times no issues.

So did linpack harm my RIG at 3.6ghz serveral passes?

Thats what i am now scared it may have done and if so then linpack can kiss my royal arse as it is amde to destroy systems not make them happier.. so i am 3.4ghz for now and i am not sure if i want to go to 3.6ghz as if it is unstable in folding and such (which i got to test all over again at 3.6ghz then i will be pissed off for sure) and i will never recommed linpack again if it has harmed my componets.

So maybe in a day or so i will go back to 3.6ghz as i have a new HD coming a 640GB Seagate and i will be doing fresh install all over again for it and so on and i will then figure out what i will do then for ghz and such.

Is 0803 bios the best for you? as you have same memory as me, maybe it is Bios issues after all 1201 and 1306 . maybe even though 1201 passed linpack all those times, maybe the bios became fudged and 1306 has the fudge in it as well.. ???

I am guessing is all and time will tell now.

Maybe i will stick to Orthos 12 hours as i never had issues afterwards when do Orthos 12 hours.???

I had a similar issue which I put down to bios issue. I ran all day at 3.6 as normal then BSOD. Had a hell of a time trying to reload software.

Went to bios 803 and keeping it, reloaded vista 64
Overclock works but have ditched drive expert backup mode (what i was using on 1201 bios) and using IDE mode

Can't afford to get BSOD and keep reloading, but overclocks fine with 803

(disk checked both drives fine)

[truehighroller]

I had a similar issue which I put down to bios issue. I ran all day at 3.6 as normal then BSOD. Had a hell of a time trying to reload software.

Went to bios 803 and keeping it, reloaded vista 64
Overclock works but have ditched drive expert backup mode (what i was using on 1201 bios) and using IDE mode

Can't afford to get BSOD and keep reloading, but overclocks fine with 803

(disk checked both drives fine)

I notice you have a 9450........ Same issue as me I bet. I bet if you pushed it hard with the 1201 13 what ever anything newer then the 0803 I bet you blowout whatev I blew out on mine.

[BeastNotro]

Hmm now you guys got me thinking that maybe, just maybe 1201 bios was working OK pasiing linnypackss and then all of a sudden it fudged up like i stated and maybe with 1301 the so called memory compatibilty BS the added is more BS then 1201 had .. maybe it is fudged already.. hmm

Now i am thinking ... maybe cause Leeghoofd has same ram and you two guys above this post have similar ram from similar company .. that maybe 0803 is the ebst for these modules.

Also my ram and Leeghoofd is not a rated QLV listed in for this mobo and i tell you why...

Simple the actual dividers are not anywhere consistant when OCing ... for instance i am at 847 (who the frig hears of that) and at 3.6ghz it was at 921 (who the frig hears of that) and i know on a Maximus Formula II mobo my friend has .. he has the same ram as me as we bought at same time and he is at 3.6ghz Q9460 8GB of memory at is at (I think 950 mhz) see... bang on 950 mhz .. not crap like 921 mhz.

So maybe issues with modules and Bios settings like we all maybe thinking and all of a sudden the divider in bios 1201 and 1306 are telling me . take that ram out as it can't handle it... or down clock ....

Myabe i was thinking of gett the G.Skill 4GB 8500 memory as many seem to like it here at XS. so maybe i may get it anyway and go higher on memory mhz with it.

Or does anyone suggest for this MOBO good 8500 = 1066 mhz memory for it . QVL preffered?

i may drop to bios 0803 to test if it is memory or CPU issue before i get all excited and get new ram...

[mac_69]

I notice you have a 9450........ Same issue as me I bet. I bet if you pushed it hard with the 1201 13 what ever anything newer then the 0803 I bet you blowout whatev I blew out on mine.

Frigg hope not, I'll do some testing tonight and see if its still prime stable.

Wasnt away from 803 for long but tried 1201 and 1303
I noticed that it was not speed stepping before all this happened, put it down to bios quirk at the time. Its speed stepping now in std clocks. I'll get back to the thread later.

[Mumid]

Bios 1306 working fine here:



Temps are with TjMax = 100c as per Intel spec. The are too high to push any more out of this E8400 C0 but happy with the volts required for the mhz

Turned out my new cellshock ram combined with my ballistix needed 2.3+ volts to run 1200mhz so backed down to 1000mhz 1:1 and now only 2.17 real is required for 1000mhz. NOTE: 1306 bios is overvolting more for me on the ram too. 2.12 set in the bios is giving me 2.17 real so this bios is overvolting for me by +.05 as opposed to 1203 bios which was overvolting by +.02. This setup is giving me the following memory performance:




Performance at 1200mhz was as per the below so no great shakes to me for the slight loss of performance in order to keep my precious D9's safe!

[CERO]

Once again I can confirm everyboard is "unique", I flashed to the 1306 BIOS, and once again I got different VDIMM readout, however this time mine readout are closer to Cryptik, whereas on 1201 we both had very different readouts, mine was overvolting by 0.08 and his was basicly the same as set in the BIOS.
Here are some quick readouts ( I did a proper clearCMOS + cleaned the probs of my $7 multimeter):

BIOS/IDLE(real)/LOAD(real)

1.96 | 1.95 | 1.96
1.98 | 1.97 | 1.98
2.10 | 2.09 | 2.09/2.10

*edit I tried also Disable/Enable: Mem Charger/ DRAM trainer / Loadline calibration, to see if there where any difference, but unfortunately NOT!

[BeastNotro]

Ok guys I flashed back to 0803 bios.

I tried 9 x 400 for the heck of it = 3.6ghz and ram DDR 800 and i put all other settings for volts and such as per my usual settings in bios 1201 and 1306 which i can't get my 3.6ghz run linpack 1.4 stable any more.

Ok after setting it all in bios like i usually have, but i used 9 x 400 instead of 8 x 450.

I loaded up to windows and i loaded up linpack 1.4 and it BSOD 0x0000124 the first loop did not even finish.

So i then said WTF? tried this older bios thinking maybe 1201 and 1306 is fudged and all who have been reading my issue (in this thread on this page) will know what i am talking about.

So i figured i would try 8 x 445 = 3.560mhz and ram is at DDR 890 loaded up windows and the linpack 1.4 and i tried running 5 loops max settings like i usually run and it ran 3 loops all passed, but as soon at it was running 4 loops.. BSOD 0x0000124 again.... so i am now am really thinking WTF?????

So i then try again 8 x 425 and all passes 5 loops...... hmm

I can't see my CPU degrading 200 mhz OC in 2-3 weeks since having it???

I am thinking and i hope you guys can tell me if i am right or not .... thats its the MOBO's Memory Controller ... flaking out at the higher FSB now.. or my CPU is fudge now.

[NBF]

Once again I can confirm everyboard is "unique", I flashed to the 1306 BIOS, and once again I got different VDIMM readout, however this time mine readout are closer to Cryptik, whereas on 1201 we both had very different readouts, mine was overvolting by 0.08 and his was basicly the same as set in the BIOS.
Here are some quick readouts ( I did a proper clearCMOS + cleaned the probs of my $7 multimeter):

BIOS/IDLE(real)/LOAD(real)

1.96 | 1.95 | 1.96
1.98 | 1.97 | 1.98
2.10 | 2.09 | 2.09/2.10

*edit I tried also Disable/Enable: Mem Charger/ DRAM trainer / Loadline calibration, to see if there where any difference, but unfortunately NOT!

I still have the "best" RAM overvolting board

BIOS 1306

BIOS - Idle - Load
1.90 - 2.00 - 2.01

[truehighroller]

Frigg hope not, I'll do some testing tonight and see if its still prime stable.

Wasnt away from 803 for long but tried 1201 and 1303
I noticed that it was not speed stepping before all this happened, put it down to bios quirk at the time. Its speed stepping now in std clocks. I'll get back to the thread later.

The level three enigineer manager at asus said that the issue seems to be popping up on the 9450s.

[bartman1973]

personal goal met now time to raise the bar for a new goal! ( 500 fsb? hehehe )

[Big Lar]

I think I'll go run linpack again, just came from 803 and don't need any probs. Linpack did run initially the same as 803 with 1306.

Larry

edit; same as before on 803 here..

[BeastNotro]

Ok guys ... i need to know what ya think about my issue.

Is it Mobo Controller or is it CPU?

Juts read all my above posts on this page abou issue.

Also i maybe selling my CPU to get a E8600, what batches are good and rev e0 i assume?

[mac_69]

The level three enigineer manager at asus said that the issue seems to be popping up on the 9450s.

What was the issue he said specifically?

My symptoms were first speedstep loss, then BSOD then hard to load OS again

I think I am back to normal now, used the jumper reset, and firmly using 803. I am using my normal Bios settings in my signature and its running 3.6 speed step and prime95 small running right now with no problems

Going to stick with 803 and current settings until more time passes (mature bios), as I think it was just a bad flash to 1201 or 1303 & maybe I uploaded an old overclock profile which "confused" it. I can't remember doing this but its possible.

I know for the future that if my speedstep stops working for the same bios then its reset and reflash time

I could not get raid1 nor driveexpert backup to work for any length of time so I am just staying away from that - fed up reloading OS. I could not get acronis true image to restore but I think it could have been the express gate interferring with the acronis loader. When I get 6hrs out of prime I'll try the software again. If it works I'm done with raid/drive expert for good

So far so good with prime "fingers crossed"
Previously I did ~6hrs each small, large & then blend and it was good so I'll just run the small test and if its good I'll be happy enough.

Man I don't know how you guys can get the overclock with 1.2* volts, I'm 1.34375 for 3.6 and I need them all

[truehighroller]

What was the issue he said specifically?

My symptoms were first speedstep loss, then BSOD then hard to load OS again

I think I am back to normal now, used the jumper reset, and firmly using 803. I am using my normal Bios settings in my signature and its running 3.6 speed step and prime95 small running right now with no problems

Going to stick with 803 and current settings until more time passes (mature bios), as I think it was just a bad flash to 1201 or 1303 & maybe I uploaded an old overclock profile which "confused" it. I can't remember doing this but its possible.

I know for the future that if my speedstep stops working for the same bios then its reset and reflash time

I could not get raid1 nor driveexpert backup to work for any length of time so I am just staying away from that - fed up reloading OS. I could not get acronis true image to restore but I think it could have been the express gate interferring with the acronis loader. When I get 6hrs out of prime I'll try the software again. If it works I'm done with raid/drive expert for good

So far so good with prime "fingers crossed"
Previously I did ~6hrs each small, large & then blend and it was good so I'll just run the small test and if its good I'll be happy enough.

Man I don't know how you guys can get the overclock with 1.2* volts, I'm 1.34375 for 3.6 and I need them all

That's amazing... Welcome to the club my friend.. Nope it's not the BIOS It's your chip burning out whatever that setting manages on the cpu.. I can't believe I have some one in the boat with me now, about time. I fealt lonely. If you want I will tell the manager that I found another person. What is your week markings on your chip though. Also if you use 0803 you will have issues no more.

Edit: I bet we get new chips..

[mac_69]

, so its margin enhancement fubaring the q9450 in later bioses?

[BeastNotro]

Well maybe thats what it did to my Q6600?

Or is it my MOBO .. anyone got idea?

[truehighroller]

, so its margin enhancement fubaring the q9450 in later bioses?

Yep what's your week markings on your chip though I'm curious. I will tell the manager tomorrow for you though and I will get his number and what not for you so you can call him and work with him directly because the other people I worked with were dumb..

[truehighroller]

Well maybe thats what it did to my Q6600?

Or is it my MOBO .. anyone got idea?

Maybe right but, he did say it was only affecting the 9450s from what he had seen but, maybe... Only time will tell.

[Dalten]

What should the margin enchancement be set to? I'm on a X3350 which is basically a Q9450 as you all know. I left the setting as Optimized, is this safe with BIOS 1306? So far i'm just as stable at 3.66ghz as I was at 1201 and 0803 before that.

[truehighroller]

I would go with the 0803 if I was you.

[BeastNotro]

Maybe right but, he did say it was only affecting the 9450s from what he had seen but, maybe... Only time will tell.

I ordered a E8600 and me hopes it to my house next week.

Are all of then E0 revision.

And when it arrives i hope it a good one and i will know if i put the sucker in and it no OC worth of crap it my mobo then, but if it does and stable .. then my q6600 is z and maybe mobo did it ... if so then that may mean the E8600 maybe also go to z.. and if so then ASUS owe me two CPU's....

Well i am selling Q6600 to a friend so me no care......

[truehighroller]

lol Intel are the ones that told them to add it I think so technicaly.. I know that it screwed my chip up because my Q6600 works fine with newer revisions on this board not that I left it in there for more then a few hours thank god. It took me alot,, of hours of trouble shooting and swapping parts and testing parts to spot what the issue was and it is for sure what is going on here.