New AMD Black Editions: 9950 Goes 125W , new Dual and Tri core Black Editions!!!

[informal]

http://www.amdzone.com/index.php/new...9950-goes-125w

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Written by Chris Tom
Monday, 25 August 2008 20:35
AMD has announced three new black editions. They include a new Phenom X4 9950 that is 125W instead of 140W. They also will include new triple and dual core black editions.

* AMD Phenom™ X4 9950 Black Edition processors will transition to 125W (same TDP as 9850 Black Edition). This is our highest performance quad core and when paired with the AMD 790GX Chipset, has been getting rave reviews for its over-clocking capabilities!
* AMD will introduce the AMD Phenom X3 8750 Black Edition processor – the first ever unlocked triple core processor!
* AMD will also introduce the new AMD Athlon™ X2 6500 Black Edition (product details & positioning available on September 1, with price announcement). The highest performance dual core we have ever offered – at a great price and it is also unlocked!

Dually BE is K10 based.Triple core BE is obviously K10 also.
Great news,and all this just before Deneb strikes! We know AMD will use immersion and DFM,which will improve the yield and lower the cost of production.Intel uses DFM as of C2D design(maybe even before that,someone correct me if i'm wrong). DFM will improve the yield on the 45nm node and with CTI and other process improvements which will show up with further 45nm Revisions they are on the road of a much better process node which will let them make a 12 core MCM(revD,so called Hydra cores -6 core native part is one of them).

[billdavis]

Denabs strikes

what is denab going to strike the new texas instrments calculators

[perkam]

The X2 6500 is not a 3.3Ghz K8, it's a 2.1Ghz Phenom-based dual core X_X

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=199867

The 8750 Black Edition...i might consider that if Deneb doesn't have Tri-core variations at launch. These chips clock to 3.0/3.2 with ease without the unlocked multi.

Perkam

[informal]

The X2 6500 is not a 3.3Ghz K8, it's a 2.1Ghz Phenom-based dual core X_X

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=199867

The 8750 Black Edition...i might consider that if Deneb doesn't have Tri-core variations at launch. These chips clock to 3.0/3.2 with ease without the unlocked multi.

Perkam

Hmm who said X2 6500 is K8 based??
I sure didn't...

edit: on another though it really could be K8 based... We don't know right now.

[Macadamia]

The X2 6500 is not a 3.3Ghz K8, it's a 2.1Ghz Phenom-based dual core X_X

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=199867

The 8750 Black Edition...i might consider that if Deneb doesn't have Tri-core variations at launch. These chips clock to 3.0/3.2 with ease without the unlocked multi.

Perkam

I dunno Perkam, maybe it's for justfying the pricing?

Since it's unlocked you can get to 3.0 virtually assured. I'm curious about how the L3 shakes things up.

[informal]

Ok,after reading through and thinking about the product names(Athlon X2 6500 and Phenom X2 GE) I'm pretty sure new Athlon BE chip is actually a Brisbane 3.3GHz while Phenom X2 GE-6500 is an "Energy efficient" chip with 45W.The Phenom will be priced alongside the present 2.5Ghz 4850 EE or a bit higher(both are 45W ,but one is K10 based so faster). This means no BE K10 dually,at least not for now.Maybe with Deneb X2 version we'll see the much awaited BE dual core K10.

[Epsilon84]

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen anyone get so excited over such an underwhelming release. Then I realised who was posting, and it all made sense.

If anyone has been following reviews closely, they'll realise the 9950BE has been getting lower power consumption than the 9850BE. So now AMD finally comes to their senses and rates the TDP where it should be, whoopy doo, sorry if I ain't jumping around screaming like a girl around Brad Pitt.

The X2 6500 is also a very misleading name, I was expecting a 3.3GHz X2 until I saw perkam's post. EDIT - I see there is a bit of confusion on this...

The X3 8750BE is the most 'exciting' release of the lot, but if they keep the current 8750 price ($175) it ain't gonna sell, not when you can get a Phenom 9600 for $150 and a Q6600 for $190.

I guess I'll set the alarm clock to when Deneb is released... yawn.

[eXa]

The X2 6500 is not a 3.3Ghz K8, it's a 2.1Ghz Phenom-based dual core X_X

And will get its ass kicked by the 6400BE...

[PetNorth]

Athlon X2 6500 BE

It sounds K8 (Brisbane) to me

probably ~3.3ghz

[informal]

@Epsilon
Yeah nothing new from you.Didn't expect it neither.
Oh and btw, new Athlon X2 is K8 G2 based(that's what i think after i read the news again).

@PetNorth
You're correct .

[AliG]

My bet is that it's a agena cpu with two cores disabled, as kuma was a cancled and they no reason to release a 2.3ghz k8 when they've already got a pretty good ee k8 lineup

[KeZzZu]

It says ATHLON X2 not phenom x2, so hello 3.3ghz brisbane... intresting, can't decide what to buy lol.

[Epsilon84]

@Epsilon
Yeah nothing new from you.Didn't expect it neither.
Oh and btw, new Athlon X2 is K8 G2 based.

I'm sorry, I guess your enthusiasm caught me off guard. I shall comment no more except on the technical aspects of this release.

I was responding to perkams post in regards to the X2 6500. However, even if it is indeed a Brisbane @ 3.3GHz, its still misleading since a Windsor X2 6400+ will beat it in the majority of benchmarks. It takes a ~250MHz advantage for Brisbane to draw level with Windsor due to the smaller and slower L2 cache, this is how a Brisbane @ 3.3GHz would compare to a stock X2 6000+:



If we are looking at overall performance a '6100+' rating would probably be the most accurate, but hey, its marketing at the end of the day, it looks like AMD has learnt a thing or two from nVidia.

[Boschwanza]

Yeah you made your point .. AMD is crap. So can we go on please?

For those who are interested Kuma is listed in the Price Charts for Germany (just saw already posted in another thread, so nervermind)

[villa1n]

the low power dual cores... 45w tdp... are they b3's or b2... although cooling them might be a bit imbalanced with 2 cores disabled, lol, have to line up your thermal paste just right (for oc'ing of course)

[Epsilon84]

the low power dual cores... 45w tdp... are they b3's or b2... although cooling them might be a bit imbalanced with 2 cores disabled, lol, have to line up your thermal paste just right (for oc'ing of course)

Isn't Kuma using a seperate mask? Seems like an awful waste disabling 2 cores... unless they weren't functional cores of course.

[Miss Banana]

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen anyone get so excited over such an underwhelming release. Then I realised who was posting, and it all made sense. blabla blablabla

Dude really, can you just not post in AMD threads anymore, before you derail yet another thread? All you ever do is flamebait people and trashtalk AMD, it is really getting old.
Based on the input you have given the last few weeks in several AMD related threads, I am sad to tell you that at this point, XS would be a better forum without you.

On topic, this release rocks, but I don't understand something.
Will there be a dual core K10 or not? The original topic starting posts talks about an athlon x2 but after that some people talk about a phenom x2.
Clarification plis?

If that X3 BE has a good price, I may be tempted to get that one, allthough I did promise myself at some point to wait for Deneb.
My brisbane 5000+ BE is getting old in my 790X MB though...

[informal]

On topic, this release rocks, but I don't understand something.
Will there be a dual core K10 or not? The original topic starting posts talks about an athlon x2 but after that some people talk about a phenom x2.
Clarification plis?

If that X3 BE has a good price, I may be tempted to get that one, allthough I did promise myself at some point to wait for Deneb.
My brisbane 5000+ BE is getting old in my 790X MB though...

Yep there will be Dual Core K10,but only at lower clocks(1.9-2.3Ghz) and rated at energy efficient 45W.Max clocked model will be GE-6600 @ 2.3Ghz with 1.6Ghz NB clock.The low NB multi should provide at least some headroom with raising the HTT .I would expect 3Ghz from the 2.3Ghz 45W Dual Core K10.

But this leads us to BE triple core.With unlocked multi,this B3 chip will certainly be much better choice than that lower end DC K10.Couple this thing with SB750 and you can go probably over 3.2Ghz and still have 3 cores compared to 2 with DC K10.
Price is the only unknown at the moment(i expect it should be the same as regular 8750).

[mAJORD]

in regards to the BE 6500, the numbering doesn't make sense at all. It may be a mistake and is supposed to read Phenom X2. eg "Phenom X2 BE-6500. After all it dpesn't say 6500+ , just 6500.


3.3Ghz 65nm K8 = 6400+.
3.4Ghz 65nm K8 = 6600+

3.3Ghz 90nm 1Mbx2 K8 = 6600+

No combination makes sense.

[perkam]

Perkam

[Mechromancer]

Hmmm, I guess I'll buy a 125w 9950 ASAP to pair with the ASUS M3A79-T Deluxe I'll get. This is truly awesome.

[duploxxx]

I'm sorry, I guess your enthusiasm caught me off guard. I shall comment no more except on the technical aspects of this release.

I was responding to perkams post in regards to the X2 6500. However, even if it is indeed a Brisbane @ 3.3GHz, its still misleading since a Windsor X2 6400+ will beat it in the majority of benchmarks. It takes a ~250MHz advantage for Brisbane to draw level with Windsor due to the smaller and slower L2 cache, this is how a Brisbane @ 3.3GHz would compare to a stock X2 6000+:

If we are looking at overall performance a '6100+' rating would probably be the most accurate, but hey, its marketing at the end of the day, it looks like AMD has learnt a thing or two from nVidia.

if you want to keep it technical you could start with this: Brisbane G2 cache is no longer slower then f3 windsor cache, so its only the smaller cache size.

[Epsilon84]

if you want to keep it technical you could start with this: Brisbane G2 cache is no longer slower then f3 windsor cache, so its only the smaller cache size.

Fair point, its still slower per clock, though to a slightly lesser degree. I think mAJORD may be on to something, its probably not a '6500+' rating at all since it doesn't make sense, someone probably got the Brisbane and Phenom X2s mixed up.

[gallag]

Epsilon84, How dare you have an opinion, Just who do you think you are.

Seriously, Can people stop derailing a thread every time someone has a differing opinion. Its like a select few people are trying to bully people into being quite if there opinion does not match there's.

[saveus222]

Denabs strikes

what is denab going to strike the new texas instrments calculators

its deneb firstly not denab.. and stop threadcrapping....


X2 6500 + hmmmm... was just abt to pick up a 6400+ BE... Hmmm..