4870 Overclocking Thread

[dejanh]

ATI guarantees their cards not to fail with the stock cooling solution. I fail to see how you can hold that agains them. They engineered and designed it. Are you saying that you know more than the ATI engineers?

Ok, well that's great. Can you tell that to Diamond then for me please? Because I tried and tried to tell them this, and tried, over and over again. And at the end after going through 5 of their cards with same results myself I decided to give up. Something about keeping the fan at 100%, my room sounding like an airport runway, and still not being able to stabilize their stock XOC BEs did not appeal to me after all those tries...

I think your first sentence should say

ATI guarantees their cards not to fail with the stock cooling solution [at ATI defined stock specifications]

Also, I am not sure what I am "holding against [ATI engineers]". I do not even remember mentioning them. In terms of knowing more than they do, maybe, you never know. I am an engineer too actually and I can guarantee you without a shadow of a doubt that if you think all engineers know their jobs you are sadly mistaken, and on top of that yes we too make mistakes Anyway, who even mentioned engineers...

Oh and I had to add this...

ATI only really engineered and designed the RV770. The card is made up of a crapload of components that ATI had nothing to do with from conceptualization right up to the finished product. They just chose off the shelf components to use to build and run the circuits on their cards. They came up with the reference specification, but that does nothing for the quality of particular components especially in large batches where issues are more prone.

[Blkout]

Ok, well that's great. Can you tell that to Diamond then for me please? Because I tried and tried to tell them this, and tried, over and over again. And at the end after going through 5 of their cards with same results myself I decided to give up. Something about keeping the fan at 100%, my room sounding like an airport runway, and still not being able to stabilize their stock XOC BEs did not appeal to me after all those tries...

I think your first sentence should say

Also, I am not sure what I am "holding against [ATI engineers]". I do not even remember mentioning them. In terms of knowing more than they do, maybe, you never know. I am an engineer too actually and I can guarantee you without a shadow of a doubt that if you think all engineers know their jobs you are sadly mistaken, and on top of that yes we too make mistakes Anyway, who even mentioned engineers...

Oh and I had to add this...

ATI only really engineered and designed the RV770. The card is made up of a crapload of components that ATI had nothing to do with from conceptualization right up to the finished product. They just chose off the shelf components to use to build and run the circuits on their cards. They came up with the reference specification, but that does nothing for the quality of particular components especially in large batches where issues are more prone.

You went through 5 4800 series cards in just over a month? The RMA process at Diamond must be exceptional. That's sarcasm, I'm just not buying your story.

The difference between you, if you're even an engineer, and the ATI engineers is that they have a team of people that designed the video cards and I'm quite certain they get paid more than you do because they are better at what they do. Don't get upset, you know it's true also. I don't think they made a mistake. The 4800 series is an overwhelming success that seems to be a real thorn in your side. Either way, you'll have to get over it and accept the fact that ATI created a brilliant product this generation and Nvidia didn't. Even Nvidia's CEO admitted they underestimated ATI this round. If he can admit it, maybe you should too considering that he probably know a little more about this business that you do.

[dejanh]

You went through 5 4800 series cards in just over a month? The RMA process at Diamond must be exceptional. That's sarcasm, I'm just not buying your story.

The difference between you, if you're even an engineer, and the ATI engineers is that they have a team of people that designed the video cards and I'm quite certain they get paid more than you do because they are better at what they do. Don't get upset, you know it's true also. I don't think they made a mistake. The 4800 series is an overwhelming success that seems to be a real thorn in your side. Either way, you'll have to get over it and accept the fact that ATI created a brilliant product this generation and Nvidia didn't. Even Nvidia's CEO admitted they underestimated ATI this round. If he can admit it, maybe you should too considering that he probably know a little more about this business that you do.

I went through 5 4870s in 15 days by returning them to NCIX and not Diamond. Diamond simply said "send it to us for testing and we will get it back to you". Not good enough. I only have 15 days to get a full refund so that's not going to fly.

In terms of them getting paid more than I do and on whether I am an engineer, and/or whatever else you said...

(1) It's foolish of you to assume that you know how much I get paid...
(2) I'm sure they are better at designing video cards. I don't design video cards, but I am both a software engineer and a hardware engineer (major/minor)
(3) 4870 is not a thorn in my side. Only the Diamond XOC BE is a thorn in my side and maybe the overheating VRMs. That's it. Otherwise, 4870 is an exceptional card. In fact, the whole 4800 series is exceptional.

I think you lost track of your opinions somewhere. I feel like you are having an argument with me but I am not sure over what exactly...