http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=476
Gigabyte MA790GP-DS4H BIOS F1B
ASUS M3A78-T BIOS 0304
Foxconn A7DA-S BIOS P04
MSI K9A2GX Digital BIOS 173
I flashed the gigabyte one and it worked fine. Do it at your own risk, blah blah blah. I downloaded them all in case they get pulled, let me know if I need to host them.
Last edited by oldpueblo; 08-14-2008 at 02:40 AM.
Phenom x4 9950
GA-MA790GP-DS4H (790GX)
8GB PDC24G8500ELKR2
Phenom x3 8450
GA-MA78GPM-DS2H (780G)
4GB TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX
Thanks, Downloaded the Foxconn one. Still waiting for UPS to deliver it though.
I downloaded and flashed with the ASUS M3A78-T 0304 BIOS last night. No problems during flash, but it does exhibit some odd behavior. Any time I choose to save settings and exit CMOS, the system shuts off and then comes back on instead of doing a standard reset. When this happens it takes a very long time for video to come back on. It does seem to work though, and ACC actually does appear to do something now. I haven't fully explored the improvement yet.
Particle's First Rule of Online Technical Discussion:
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Rule 1A:
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
Rule 2:
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
Rule 2A:
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Rule 3:
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
What you described happens to M3A as well.So nothing to worry aboutOriginally Posted by Particle
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Oh, ok. It isn't something the board used to do on the current stable BIOS--0204. But if the other boards in this family do the same thing, I won't worry about it.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
The new Asus bios (0304) does the same thing on my machine, in fact it shuts down the CPU fan while the board is still lit. (kinda scary)
I played with it for a few hours last night and saw no real improvement in performance. The NB multi seems to work reliably now, the only effect I saw that would lead me to think ACC was doing something was the fact that if I set it below -6 the board wouldn't post.
Oh well, still waiting for a reply from Asus Tech. Hopefully they'll have somethng a little better to offer.
AMD FX-8350 (1237 PGN) | Asus Crosshair V Formula (bios 1703) | G.Skill 2133 CL9 @ 2230 9-11-10 | Sapphire HD 6870 | Samsung 830 128Gb SSD / 2 WD 1Tb Black SATA3 storage | Corsair TX750 PSU
Watercooled ST 120.3 & TC 120.1 / MCP35X XSPC Top / Apogee HD Block | WIN7 64 Bit HP | Corsair 800D Obsidian Case
First Computer: Commodore Vic 20 (circa 1981).
Another spin will be coming out shortly. I have not had the fan shutdown problem but will forward that to them.
Just to be clear Bingo, the sequence is:
Save Bios, machine shuts down, board relights with no CPU fan for ~6 seconds. Once the board is up and running the fan works properly.
I seriously doubt it's long enough to cause any damage, but it was enough make me think there was a problem the first time I saw it..
AMD FX-8350 (1237 PGN) | Asus Crosshair V Formula (bios 1703) | G.Skill 2133 CL9 @ 2230 9-11-10 | Sapphire HD 6870 | Samsung 830 128Gb SSD / 2 WD 1Tb Black SATA3 storage | Corsair TX750 PSU
Watercooled ST 120.3 & TC 120.1 / MCP35X XSPC Top / Apogee HD Block | WIN7 64 Bit HP | Corsair 800D Obsidian Case
First Computer: Commodore Vic 20 (circa 1981).
On the M3A I just got back from RMA: you can reset the BIOS, the board lights up, no fans spin and then it never posts. Seems it is stuck at that last step.
When I jacked ACC to like 8 or 10 my chip wouldn't fail prime as quickly at 2900MHz, 1.425V. This makes me thing it is in fact working, even if my chip is a lemon.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
Does heat increase the more 'ACC' you give it?
Synaptic Overflow
CPU:
-Intel Core i7 920 3841A522
--CPU: 4200Mhz| Vcore: +120mV| Uncore: 3200Mhz| VTT: +100mV| Turbo: On| HT: Off
---CPU block: EK Supreme Acetal| Radiator: TCF X-Changer 480mm
Motherboard:
-Foxconn Bloodrage P06
--Blck: 200Mhz| QPI: 3600Mhz
Graphics:
-Sapphire Radeon HD 4870X2
--GPU: 750Mhz| GDDR: 900Mhz
RAM:
-3x 2GB Mushkin XP3-12800
--Mhz: 800Mhz| Vdimm: 1.65V| Timings: 7-8-7-20-1T
Storage:
-3Ware 9650SE-2LP RAID controller
--2x Western Digital 74GB Raptor RAID 0
PSU:
-Enermax Revolution 85+ 1250W
OS:
-Windows Vista Business x64
ORDERED: Sapphire HD 5970 OC
LOOKING FOR: 2x G.Skill Falcon II 128GB SSD, Windows 7
when I had my Phenom 9850 on the Plat board with air, it would reach those temps using same voltage while prime95 was running after a few minutes...don't know if that helps you or not..When I jacked ACC to like 8 or 10 my chip wouldn't fail prime as quickly at 2900MHz, 1.425V. This makes me thing it is in fact working, even if my chip is a lemon.
~1~
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
GigaByte X570 AORUS LITE
Trident-Z 3200 CL14 16GB
AMD Radeon VII
~2~
AMD Ryzen ThreadRipper 2950x
Asus Prime X399-A
GSkill Flare-X 3200mhz, CAS14, 64GB
AMD RX 5700 XT
anybody try the gigabyte bios yet?... or am I the only owner?
~1~
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
GigaByte X570 AORUS LITE
Trident-Z 3200 CL14 16GB
AMD Radeon VII
~2~
AMD Ryzen ThreadRipper 2950x
Asus Prime X399-A
GSkill Flare-X 3200mhz, CAS14, 64GB
AMD RX 5700 XT
It flashed fine for me, but I haven't had time to make a serious overclock attempt so saw no changes really.
Phenom x4 9950
GA-MA790GP-DS4H (790GX)
8GB PDC24G8500ELKR2
Phenom x3 8450
GA-MA78GPM-DS2H (780G)
4GB TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX
I'm gonna buy one I think
Asus M3A79-T W/ PII 720@3.6Ghz DTek Fuzion Water Block
Raptor X 150G Boot Device & 3 X WD 500GB in RAID 5 Load Device
8G OCZ Reaper @1066
2xVisiontek 4870 Xfire @790/1080Mhz w/XPSC Water Blocks
Razer Barracuda Sound System
Windows Vista 64 Bit SP1
LG 24" 1920X1200
Didn't help me much for the Asus. 250htt gives me screen corruptions using the onboard video, not sure if it would with a card but I haven't put that in yet.
Not much to say right now.
Just curious, are you going +8 on the ACC (all cores) Particle?When I jacked ACC to like 8 or 10 my chip wouldn't fail prime as quickly at 2900MHz, 1.425V. This makes me thing it is in fact working, even if my chip is a lemon.
Seems like I read somewhere that for older chips (mine is a 9850 0810), that you should use negative numbers for better performance....
AMD FX-8350 (1237 PGN) | Asus Crosshair V Formula (bios 1703) | G.Skill 2133 CL9 @ 2230 9-11-10 | Sapphire HD 6870 | Samsung 830 128Gb SSD / 2 WD 1Tb Black SATA3 storage | Corsair TX750 PSU
Watercooled ST 120.3 & TC 120.1 / MCP35X XSPC Top / Apogee HD Block | WIN7 64 Bit HP | Corsair 800D Obsidian Case
First Computer: Commodore Vic 20 (circa 1981).
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...x,1988-13.html
"However, all indications point to the loosening and tightening of tolerances. With a Phenom X4 9950 or 9850, AMD recommends opening ACC up to +2% or so. A slower chip, like an older 9600, might be able to withstand +4% or +6%. You get the idea."
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3369&p=3
"The BIOS exposes the parameter being changed, which AMD refers to as the Advanced Clock Calibration (ACC) value. Typically this value has a range of -2 to 0, on motherboards with the SB750 that support ACC the value can be set from -12 to +12. Higher numbers should allow for higher clock speeds, while lower values should allow for lower voltages/lower power operation."
Oliverda:Thanks for the links!
I could have sworn it was the other way around...
The Asus M3A78-T bios still need alot of work either way. I've been trying to tweak the new 0304 bios for the last 3 hours... The board itself is really nice, but the OC features need alot of work.
Their Tech support has been kind of lacking too, I'm way past their supposed "48 Hour" response time.
AMD FX-8350 (1237 PGN) | Asus Crosshair V Formula (bios 1703) | G.Skill 2133 CL9 @ 2230 9-11-10 | Sapphire HD 6870 | Samsung 830 128Gb SSD / 2 WD 1Tb Black SATA3 storage | Corsair TX750 PSU
Watercooled ST 120.3 & TC 120.1 / MCP35X XSPC Top / Apogee HD Block | WIN7 64 Bit HP | Corsair 800D Obsidian Case
First Computer: Commodore Vic 20 (circa 1981).
I can't even find the board on the asus site have you got a link?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131331
The product is new enough that ASUS doesn't list it on their English sites. You can find it on some of the others though.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
WTF does eSATA have to do with unleashing Phenom 9950 power
Synaptic Overflow
CPU:
-Intel Core i7 920 3841A522
--CPU: 4200Mhz| Vcore: +120mV| Uncore: 3200Mhz| VTT: +100mV| Turbo: On| HT: Off
---CPU block: EK Supreme Acetal| Radiator: TCF X-Changer 480mm
Motherboard:
-Foxconn Bloodrage P06
--Blck: 200Mhz| QPI: 3600Mhz
Graphics:
-Sapphire Radeon HD 4870X2
--GPU: 750Mhz| GDDR: 900Mhz
RAM:
-3x 2GB Mushkin XP3-12800
--Mhz: 800Mhz| Vdimm: 1.65V| Timings: 7-8-7-20-1T
Storage:
-3Ware 9650SE-2LP RAID controller
--2x Western Digital 74GB Raptor RAID 0
PSU:
-Enermax Revolution 85+ 1250W
OS:
-Windows Vista Business x64
ORDERED: Sapphire HD 5970 OC
LOOKING FOR: 2x G.Skill Falcon II 128GB SSD, Windows 7
ASUS is still tuning it, the major fixes in 0304 were 1066 memory operation, NB multis working, PCIe over 105 working, CAS4 at 800 stable with 1T, S1/S3 resume, HTT over 220 with HD3300 enabled, and ACC actually working. Now that those are more or less out of the way, performance tuning is up next although I am hearing that HTT over 245 with HD3300 is going to be difficult. The Gigabyte board with F1B is a couple of steps ahead in those areas. The Foxconn is ahead of all of them when it comes to clocking, but the last BIOS is a little twitchy with memory.Oliverda:Thanks for the links!
I could have sworn it was the other way around...
The Asus M3A78-T bios still need alot of work either way. I've been trying to tweak the new 0304 bios for the last 3 hours... The board itself is really nice, but the OC features need alot of work.
Their Tech support has been kind of lacking too, I'm way past their supposed "48 Hour" response time.
In regards to ACC values, all CPUs are different. I am finding that +2 on all cores is a good base to start from for the 9850/9950, anything higher generally results in some issues until you figure out which core needs more and which one needs less. On the Foxconn 790FX/SB750 board, auto resulted in the best clocking experience, found out through a lot of tuning that the cores were set at 4,4,0,2.
Mine worked fine with htt set to 245 with the onboard video. 250 gave me screen corruption but it worked. What I want is everything from 260-300 to work well, but that isn't going to happen soon. Not with onboard that is, I put my stuff in.
Not much to say right now.
Bingo (or anyone), when you set ACC to auto are you also setting your OC in the BIOS or are you using AOD? Basically, does auto always select the same numbers or does it change based on clock settings, etc, which wouldn't be possible from AOD since ACC requires a reboot?
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
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