Nehalem-EP......BLOOMFIELD

[eXa]

Bit more performance in how many apps? Surely you're not talking about the limited tests done here, right? Again, does the TLB patch mean anything? Sure prices for processors with known bugs costs less. Too much is unknown to draw a conclusions from pro or con for either of the rigs talked about.

U dont get the point. All im saying is that u can compare the 2 systems.

Im not saying u should buy the "old" amd system, id go with nehalem myself.
Shure the amd system may beat the nehalem in 8 threaded apps, but nehalem crushes it in singel, double and even quad id guess.
But that is not my point.

[JCornell]

U dont get the point. All im saying is that u can compare the 2 systems.

Im not saying u should buy the "old" amd system, id go with nehalem myself.
Shure the amd system may beat the nehalem in 8 threaded apps, but nehalem crushes it in singel, double and even quad id guess.
But that is not my point.

We all get the point, but some of it just won't listen, thats all ...
If you want to compare Bloomfield with 2*Barcelona, its ok ... you do whatever you want ... But if you loudly mentioned about why Bloomfield result is sucked while compare to 2*Barcelona just isn't right ...
Still it related to "Numbers" right ? ...

PS : No one stop you to compare between system, all the charts is being made by Hornet311 ... so what do you want now ?

[Donnie27]

U dont get the point. All im saying is that u can compare the 2 systems.

Im not saying u should buy the "old" amd system, id go with nehalem myself.
Shure the amd system may beat the nehalem in 8 threaded apps, but nehalem crushes it in singel, double and even quad id guess.
But that is not my point.

You don't get the point either because I didn't say you couldn't or even shouldn't run the test. I advocated running it and many more tests for better or more complete info. I said the results shouldn't be taken out of Context. Now if I'm saying don't do it, how do you get results? I said too much is unknown to draw conclusions from limited information. If he said "Faster on this test". That'd be different as well, get it?

[eXa]

You don't get the point either because I didn't say you couldn't or even shouldn't run the test. I advocated running it and many more tests for better or more complete info. I said the results shouldn't be taken out of Context. Now if I'm saying don't do it, how do you get results? I said too much is unknown to draw conclusions from limited information. If he said "Faster on this test". That'd be different as well, get it?

I havent talked about results at all. What bugs me is the attitude of many people here.

If 2 systems can do the same job (be it cinebench, winrar superpi, server stuff or whatever) u can compare the 2. It really is that simple.
If its fair or not is not relevant either

[Movieman]

I havent talked about results at all. What bugs me is the attitude of many people here.

If 2 systems can do the same job (be it cinebench, winrar superpi, server stuff or whatever) u can compare the 2. It really is that simple.
If its fair or not is not relevant either

Yes, you can compare them but what is the relavance of that comparision?
If I run a benchmark on my old single core FX51 and then run that same benchmark on my 8 core Harpertown what am I learning from that time spent?
Something that I already know, the Harper is faster.
You only get relavance when you compare one apple to one apple, not one to eight or four to eight.. I think that was the whole issue here.

[Aberration]

Yes, you can compare them but what is the relavance of that comparision?
If I run a benchmark on my old single core FX51 and then run that same benchmark on my 8 core Harpertown what am I learning from that time spent?
Something that I already know, the Harper is faster.
You only get relavance when you compare one apple to one apple, not one to eight or four to eight.. I think that was the whole issue here.

Dont we constantly compare 1GPU systems to multiGPU systems?

[Shintai]

Dont we constantly compare 1GPU systems to multiGPU systems?

And the price range is what?

Or you want to see a E2160 compared with a 4P Tigerton system?

[Movieman]

Dont we constantly compare 1GPU systems to multiGPU systems?

HMM, interesting point, how to reply.
Now remember that for what I do a high end vid card is not something I use BUT with my limited knowledge I can say this in rebuttal:
On the ORB don't they distinguish between scores submitted between single card and SLI or Crossfire equiped machines as it is not reasonable to compare one to the other..
The defense rests..

[eXa]

Yes, you can compare them but what is the relavance of that comparision?

As long as the apps are multithreaded its very relevant. If the 4core with HT performed identically to the 8core barcelonas that would that would be very interresting and relevant. No?

what that test did show is that the 8core barcelonas wasnt twice as fast as the nehalem. Ofc that was expected since each nehalem core is much faster than each opteron core. But the test show how much difference it is between the 2. (in that test atleast)

If I run a benchmark on my old single core FX51 and then run that same benchmark on my 8 core Harpertown what am I learning from that time spent?
Something that I already know, the Harper is faster.

If u go with that, why bother testing anything, u already know its faster...

You only get relavance when you compare one apple to one apple, not one to eight or four to eight.. I think that was the whole issue here.

Matter of definition. Comparing one computer to another computer, thats apples to apples in my eyes...

[Shintai]

Matter of definition. Comparing one computer to another computer, thats apples to apples in my eyes...

Look, this Puma platform with an X2 3800 CPU. A shame it gets obliterated against this Skulltrail with quad SLi and 2 heavily OCed QX9770.

Apples to apples....right?

All you and LIKMARK want is to make K10 look good against Nehalem. In whatever way you can. And now calling it apples to apples?
Just a shame it was 2 quads vs 1 quad....

[informal]

LIKMARK's intent was to compare how efficent is SMT on Nehalem,that's the way i look at it.So he wanted to know how 8 threads in Bloomfield system compare with his 8 thread(2x RevBA).
I already showed you in my previous posts that LIKMARK's Barcelona system is around 25% per clock slower than jan's RevB3 system in Ceinebench10.
So if anything ,LIKMARK's system is actually holding its own against the new Nehalem system.The fact that it's 2xQC vs 1 QC(8 thread) chip doesn't make it apples to apples comparison,but it's valid as any other similar comparison when it comes to comparing previous gen. vs next generation chips.Remember ,while AMD is at its first attempt with Quad Cores and still on DDR2,intel is on it's third generation(65nm C2Q,45nm C2Q,45nm Nehalem).So basically you compare first TLB patch plagued RevBA system with yet unreleased 3rd generation intel quad core system.
The more valid comparison would be single Deneb versus single Bloomfield ,all at the same frequency.That's what we will have in Q4.Even better,a Deneb running a same DDR3 memory(AM3) as Bloomfield so we can have as close as possible memory subsystems,even tho Nehalem is better in that respect thanks to 3 channel IMC.

[Donnie27]

I havent talked about results at all. What bugs me is the attitude of many people here.

If 2 systems can do the same job (be it cinebench, winrar superpi, server stuff or whatever) u can compare the 2. It really is that simple.
If its fair or not is not relevant either

You get no argument from me there at all. Look at what I said, I said add more to give it a better prospective. ALL of the numbers would be interesting. Not pull any one *line out.

I have NOT even thought of buying two B2 Phenoms knowing they have a problem that will make them even slower? Look at the list I gave? His comparison is there. I added two more to it. I'd interested in seeing the best and worse case scenario.

Here?

To get a full set of numbers, run;
Intel vs AMD in that order.
One core on each,
4 cores on each with HT disabled,
4 cores plus HT vs 4 cores,
4 cores plus HT vs 8 cores as he's saying,
8 cores with HT disabled vs 8 cores,
And finally 8 Cores vs. 8 Cores with HT enabled.

Blue = Intel, Black AMD. I asked him what was wrong with that? Most Geeks here I know would love that info. It is not about who comes out on top. I bet folks would talk about how HT changed or didn't the results, more than what or who won, don't you?

[Hornet331]

Most Geeks here I know would love that info. It is not about who comes out on top. I bet folks would talk about how HT changed or didn't the results, more than what or who won, don't you?

count me in for that.