Nehalem-EP......BLOOMFIELD

[LIKMARK]

but thats the thing we dont know, we dont know the pricing of xeon procs, and as i mentioned eralier, if intel releases a 2,4ghz gainestown that slightly undercuts DP opterons in price the whole comparisson between singel socket and dual socket makes even less sense.

Bloomfield is a highend desktop chip and not aimed at servers thats why we have Xeon.
Why should a company buy a bloomfield rig (where the procs costs 1000€ alone) when they can get 2 gainestown procs (lets asume 400€ wach) for a lower price which perform a lot better in multithreaded apps (thought they are clocked lower, lats say at 2,4ghz) and simply crush bloomfield?

Wich is why i said this:

Guys.. Lets compare prices when they're out, and then the whole systems...

on page 35..

I think the price/perf comparison would be most relevant to small companies/ WS market, rather than the big companies looking for servers.

[JCornell]

This I don't get


And you can lay off that patronizing act, it does not become you when you display such an obvious lack of english education.

Your teacher probably would have deserved being kidnapped due to failure to learn his students what they need to know to have a normal conversation. But again, it might not be the teachers fault the student ain't getting it...

Ow, don't be rude ...
What's wrong with those sentences ?

[LIKMARK]

Interesting ? ok, no prob, but it's not represent correct/precise ...
Oh Ow, Here we go again ... You're at origin point now ... Extra Point ...
Circle = Round = Never End

replies like this confirms your immaturity. "lets laugh it off and try to ridicule some more, because I don't have anything else to bring to the discussion" Welcome to the level of discussion I know a few other news section frequentors are known to be on. (no names mentioned)


EDIT: Ah, whatever, I have other things to spend my time on rather than discussing this.

*goes back to study the smoothnes of my AMD rig*

[JCornell]

Ok now I understand.

I'm getting all this sh1t because my dual cpu setup outperformed one single nehalem in one or two benchmarks. My intetions vere not to make nehalem look bad, and I assumed most XS readers understand that there is a difference between 1 cpu -> 2 cpu systems. That's why I did not comment further on it. I am not after making my dual AMD system shine on the expense of a pre launch single nehalem, I am not stupid, I know Nehalem will outperform Barcelona and most possibly Shanghai with a fair margin.

Seriously, Do you get it, or not ? ...

[Hornet331]

then i dont know why you insist on comparing 2 opterons to bloomfield?

you already knew that bloomfield would lose to your to opterons, even with bloomfield clocked at 3ghz+. But compared to gainestown with same frequency it just plain loses. But what is really interesstening, is that the opterons still have a superior FPU power compared to nehalem.

[LIKMARK]

then i dont know why you insist on comparing 2 opterons to bloomfield?

you already knew that bloomfield would lose to your to opterons, even with bloomfield clocked at 3ghz+. But compared to gainestown with same frequenzy it just plain loses. But what is really interesstening, is that the opterons still have a superior FPU power compared to nehalem.

ok last one

IT IS NOT ABOUT WHO LOOSES OR WHO IS THE BEST. IT IS ABOUT THE NUMBERS. I FIND THE NUMBERS INTERESTING, AND SO SHOULD EVERYONE NOT BEING A FANBOI TOO.

goodbye (If I can help myself)

[JCornell]

replies like this confirms your immaturity. "lets laugh it off and try to ridicule some more, because I don't have anything else to bring to the discussion" Welcome to the level of discussion I know a few other news section frequentors are known to be on. (no names mentioned)


EDIT: Ah, whatever, I have other things to spend my time on rather than discussing this.

*goes back to study the smoothnes of my AMD rig*

You can judged whatever you want ... Thank You my love ...

Good luck though ... Don't dream too long, remember to wake up ... don't follow the light ... PLEASE !!! I'm begging You ...

[JCornell]

then i dont know why you insist on comparing 2 opterons to bloomfield?

you already knew that bloomfield would lose to your to opterons, even with bloomfield clocked at 3ghz+. But compared to gainestown with same frequency it just plain loses. But what is really interesstening, is that the opterons still have a superior FPU power compared to nehalem.

Its useless, bro ...

Circle = Round = Never End .... this is my immaturity for what he called ...

He sure can shift the topic all around, never end though ... all that had been discussed keep floating again ...

See, "Numbers" he kept saying ... , but again, he already said he believe he'd understood ...

[Hornet331]

i think your right.

[Shintai]

Jeebus...what a fragfest...

Also for the love of all hardware. Its not 8 logical cores. There is no 4 virtual or whatever. Its 8 logical, 4 physical (With SMT on). But the OS will always only see logical cores. A Yorkfield is 4 logical, 4 physical.

[gallag]

ok last one

IT IS NOT ABOUT WHO LOOSES OR WHO IS THE BEST. IT IS ABOUT THE NUMBERS. I FIND THE NUMBERS INTERESTING, AND SO SHOULD EVERYONE NOT BEING A FANBOI TOO.

goodbye (If I can help myself)

Changed your tune, I think the problem stems from you saying that the performance looked week and was not impressive because your dual cpu rig was faster, Now you are clamming that the performance did not matter, Just the numbers.

I for one is not exeptionally impressed with initial Nehalem performance, even less if this is with triple channel memory performance.

That a lower clocked TLB patch ridden old socket F system with less than poor memory performance does this good compared to Nehalem should worry you more than gloating "ownage". If Shanghai corrects TDP and clocks I do not see Nehalem as superior as most people in this thread.

Intel employee dr.who's appearance in this thread support my assumptions IMO.

PS: This is not for starting flame war, but based on quite obvious results. I spent quite a long time doing benches and comparing yesterday, so please don't misunderstand this as threadcrapping

Just to clarify, You did start this and made a negative assumption on the performance based on a comparison of your system with twice the cores. Your comments where all performance based and it was not just about comparing the numbers. Hope you understand.

[savantu]

then i dont know why you insist on comparing 2 opterons to bloomfield?

you already knew that bloomfield would lose to your to opterons, even with bloomfield clocked at 3ghz+. But compared to gainestown with same frequency it just plain loses. But what is really interesstening, is that the opterons still have a superior FPU power compared to nehalem.

I'd say that is a corner case which should be further investigated.
What exactly is being tested there? It can't be anything related with SSE , that's fairly obvious.Is it x87 ?How does it perform on Core ?

*There is an update to Hwinfo32 that supports Nehalem , dated July 22.Any difference in scores with it?

[Hornet331]

I'd say that is a corner case which should be further investigated.
What exactly is being tested there? It can't be anything related with SSE , that's fairly obvious.Is it x87 ?How does it perform on Core ?

*There is an update to Hwinfo32 that supports Nehalem , dated July 22.Any difference in scores with it?

isnt SPI also x87, in which core2 and nehalem demolishes K8/K10?

[Shintai]

K8/K10 is stronger in x87.

But x87 is dead in x64.

[Donnie27]

5 constructive posts as usual.

Please explain to me the "rules of comparison". I were not aware that I broke your laws of comparing two products. I did not know that if a product were bought on ebay, or was an ES (not released yet) it invalidated the entire comparison. If that rule applies. XS mods need to get their fingers out and moderate all those comparisons we see of new unreleased products. I did not know comparing one cpu setup with a two cpu setup were not allowed either. How would you know the benefits and drawbacks of one cpu system vs a two cpu system if those comparisons were not done?

Please show me where I have downplayed costs. I did not mention costs, this was mentioned by your friend Shintai, and to be honest he downplayed nehalem costs by not mentioning that you'll need a new board and ram.

In every other forum in the internet a comparison of a coming product with products that is out today would be welcomed, even appreciated, but not on XS. Here you get ridiculed by threadcrappers with the mods blessing, wich IMO shouts out where the closet stands. Pardon my bad english, hoping readers understand. That you classify comparing an AMD setup with an Intel setup as threadcrapping is beyond me.

Wonder what the comment would have been like if I compared the nehalem benches with another Intel system like MM is gonna do? Don't think you would have complained as much, probably would have been busy wtf qft bbq'ing all over the place in hope of getting a kind word from one of your heroes.

As for the fanboi remarks, I have my share of Intel setups, so you know where to put those remarks.

On the other hand being marked as a fanboi by you and Shintai almost wants me to bear the mark proudly.

I bought a dual socket system on ebay, and chose AMD because it was cheap, and I find K10 more fun to play with than Core2 and it's FSB. Just as Nehalem will be more fun to play with because of it's advanced arcitechture.

Well thats as much energy I'm gonna use on your remarks. (Much more than what you deserve).

@MM: I'm gonna quote you from deepthought86's thread in the "Forum FAQs and Guidelines" section :

Aww come ON, I don't understand why you mods let them continue degrading the quality of XS.

Quote from DeepThought86:

The best suggestion I have heard here on XS, actually it is sig material..

@Villa1n: Watch your back and don your flamesuit for not agreeing with the news section mascot.

Let's see, Nehalem's price was listed, you ignored it.

Nehalem's Performance is given from tests, you don't like the result so you change the rules. Try to justify two vs one, conveniently leave out price.

Naw there are no flames needed just by pointing out you don't understand how to benchmark. It is just that simple bench two Nehalems vs. two Barcelonas or one vs. one. Any reviewer doing it any other way without a disclaimer would be laughed off the web.

This is a Nehalem thread. In any AMD thread, any Negative News about AMD or Positive news about Intel is called thread crapping! Then under those standards, yours and that other guys posts are thread Craps! Doesn't bother me at all.

[JCornell]

Yeah, I found interesting in here too ...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=51

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Hey, 4threads VS 4threads, Isn't it Fair enough, clock is neck to neck too ...



XP SP2 PRO 32Bit


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[LIKMARK]

Changed your tune, I think the problem stems from you saying that the performance looked week and was not impressive because your dual cpu rig was faster, Now you are clamming that the performance did not matter, Just the numbers.



Just to clarify, You did start this and made a negative assumption on the performance based on a comparison of your system with twice the cores. Your comments where all performance based and it was not just about comparing the numbers. Hope you understand.

Then you need to read my posts again mister. The only thing I have writen is this:

I for one is not exeptionally impressed with initial Nehalem performance, even less if this is with triple channel memory performance.

This was written as a side note (and I probably were a little irritated from stargazers reply wich was... short. I have to admit). This meaning I am impressed , but not to make me drooling like some others.

Let's see, Nehalem's price was listed, you ignored it.

Nehalem's Performance is given from tests, you don't like the result so you change the rules. Try to justify two vs one, conveniently leave out price.

Naw there are no flames needed just by pointing out you don't understand how to benchmark. It is just that simple bench two Nehalems vs. two Barcelonas or one vs. one. Any reviewer doing it any other way without a disclaimer would be laughed off the web.

This is a Nehalem thread. In any AMD thread, any Negative News about AMD or Positive news about Intel is called thread crapping! Then under those standards, yours and that other guys posts are thread Craps! Doesn't bother me at all.

It was not writing anything resembling negativity about nehalem (before being taunted, my fault..) I mean that I contributed with showing numbers from the competing side, that way you know what you got.

Threadcrapping is when you contribute nothing exept lols, rofls and generally doing as much as you can to ridicule other posters.. like you're still doing...

Yeah, I found interesting in here too ...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=51

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Hey, 4threads VS 4threads, Isn't it Fair enough, clock is neck to neck too ...
..zip..

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err.. what? Explain your intet with your post yet again.

[Donnie27]

I would have to disagree. I feel its a very relevant comparison. Especially if you have a thresh-hold of performance, your server needs to meet, as a company that is useful to know. And then it really does come down to price/perf, a 1p intel server vs a 2p amd server with 8 cores theoretically, a comparison between the two is very relevant. Of course google and the like just want max performance, but small business, that have 1 or 2 servers, with specific performance requirements, the dollars and cents of performance vs operating costs on the hair thin margins most web based business operates on, this is a big deal. It will be a real comparison, once nehalem does start shipping, and from what those graphs say... nehalem seems pretty damn efficient, in that regard. So I m not sure how trying to create a realworld comparison as to what will exist in the marketplace is Fanboyism.. I like seeing those numbers to be honest, I know how intel performs against itself :P

Sure one vs two, two vs two but use New Prices, not prices for used buggy Items. If Nehalem has bugs, most folks will avoid it as well. Do we factor tests with or without TLB since he has B2's?

Nothing's wrong with theory or simply for data purposes but that's not what's going on here.

[Boschwanza]

He just wanted to show that after 10 month of K10, Intel is still winning in Cineintelbench and nobody has known this before. .

Common JZ gimme your WPrime, Winrar and Truecrypt shots.

[Hornet331]

He just wanted to show that after 10 month of K10, Intel is still winning in Cineintelbench and nobody has known this before. .

Common JZ gimme your WPrime, Winrar and Truecrypt shots.

they are already there...

btw. JC, Bosch makes a good suggestion can you run Winrar on bloomfield and gainestown?

would be cool.

[Aberration]

I have never seen people so opposed to comparing products. Lots of excuses why not to. Who cares what the motivations are. People always have motives behind what they want to see, and on the internet they are not always apparent.

But the fact is, that some of us would just find the numbers interesting, and nothing else.

[Donnie27]

Then you need to read my posts again mister. The only thing I have writen is this:


This was written as a side note (and I probably were a little irritated from stargazers reply wich was... short. I have to admit). This meaning I am impressed , but not to make me drooling like some others.

It was not writing anything resembling negativity about nehalem (before being taunted, my fault..) I mean that I contributed with showing numbers from the competing side, that way you know what you got.
Threadcrapping is when you contribute nothing exept lols, rofls and generally doing as much as you can to ridicule other posters.. like you're still doing...


err.. what? Explain your intet with your post yet again.

Yes like commenting on teachers and their teaching methods?

Bold denotes a Thread crap. That's the case in any part of the forum, in any thread meant as positive spin or Pro AMD. Bring up Nehalem, its Price as I did in the Deneb thread, just as you're doing here and its a thread crap. The same thing you're doing here. Pointing that out isn't a thread thread crap.

I've posted thousands of links to reviews featuring Dual Core, Quad Core and etc................ reviews. Post links to any relevant Intel Performance or Price and you get jumped for thread crapping so excuse me if I seem a little short with you! Hell even Movieman knows that

Again, it is not a slap or a flame to warn you about the proper use of disclaimers.

[Donnie27]

I have never seen people so opposed to comparing products. Lots of excuses why not to. Who cares what the motivations are. People always have motives behind what they want to see, and on the internet they are not always apparent.

But the fact is, that some of us would just find the numbers interesting, and nothing else.

So why do you get so upset when it happens in the Pro AMD threads?

[Calmatory]

LOL nehalem losing to sucky AMD tech! I mean, people have been "Omg nehalem 8threads crush all Core2 nd AMD can say goodbye! !" ...then a dude comes with two AMDs, 8 threads and kicks nehalem's ass. Quite ironic, isn't it?

:|, seriously.

[Periander6]

LOL nehalem losing to sucky AMD tech! I mean, people have been "Omg nehalem 8threads crush all Core2 nd AMD can say goodbye! !" ...then a dude comes with two AMDs, 8 threads and kicks nehalem's ass. Quite ironic, isn't it?

:|, seriously.

Are people brain damaged here? AMD fanboys comparing a hyperthreading CPU vs. a non-hyperthreading CPU on a PER THREAD basis?!?!?!?



Comparing 2s vs. uniprocessor systems???

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

No, really. This crap is too funny.