AMD 45nm Deneb Pictures, CPU-Z and Super Pi Results

[BulldogPO]

Nice to see AMD's 45nm CPU, even tough it is too late to really compete with Intel.

[Xoulz]

Nice to see AMD's 45nm CPU, even tough it is too late to really compete with Intel.

Uno, I was thinking the same thing. But is that really true...?




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[Rammsteiner]

Uno, I was thinking the same thing. But is that really true...?

Not sure. I do see it happen Deneb is going to compete with Lynnfield. In the end you got to ask your self where it's going to compete with Intel. It won't compete with Bloomfield, Im pretty sure about that.

But Lynnfield/Yorkfield, I do see it happen. Maybe a bit hopefull, but a realistic option.

It also depends a bit how much DDR3 would influence Phenom's performance.

[Shintai]

Not sure. I do see it happen Deneb is going to compete with Lynnfield. In the end you got to ask your self where it's going to compete with Intel. It won't compete with Bloomfield, Im pretty sure about that.

But Lynnfield/Yorkfield, I do see it happen. Maybe a bit hopefull, but a realistic option.

It also depends a bit how much DDR3 would influence Phenom's performance.

Friendly advice. Dont expect too much until its really there. Also since the core aint radically changed, its still inferiour to a Core 2 core.

DDR3 wont do anything, cept synthetics and rates benches. We aint bandwidth limited today. So unless the Phenom gonna clock higher than Lynnsfield. It wont touch it. Specially not with SMT enabled either. Yorkfield it can if its something where the FSB strangles it. But again, that sure aint games....

In short, think abit conservative. Else it quickly ends like last time and Barcelona being 50% faster...

If 1 bench, then Yorkfield is also 100% faster than Kentsfield

[Rammsteiner]

Friendly advice. Dont expect too much until its really there. Also since the core aint radically changed, its still inferiour to a Core 2 core.

DDR3 wont do anything, cept synthetics and rates benches. We aint bandwidth limited today. So unless the Phenom gonna clock higher than Lynnsfield. It wont touch it. Specially not with SMT enabled either. Yorkfield it can if its something where the FSB strangles it. But again, that sure aint games....

In short, think abit conservative. Else it quickly ends like last time and Barcelona being 50% faster...

If 1 bench, then Yorkfield is also 100% faster than Kentsfield

No, Im not expecting it actually 'will' 100% be competitive with Lynnfield. I just dont think it's going to be impossible however it all depends mainly on Deneb's clock yields and eventual further IPC improvements.

As for DDR3, dont know really. Upcoming GPU's do require quite a bit of bandwith though, but if it would bottleneck DDR2 bandwith to justify DDR3, not sure.

But as you said, Im not setting up my mind like Deneb would become the new C2Q to say it like that. Ill wait for the release for sure.

To make my point a bit more clear thus far, I think the delta between Yorkfield and Agena will be significantly reduced compared with Lynnfield and Deneb. But still, only thoughts, no hard proof and not expecting too much

[gallag]

Yeah, it won't be able to outperform nehalem, but thats not really an issue cuz nehalem won't go mainstream for a while.

If deneb turns out to be a success amd will finally be able to offer high end products, not ultra high end enthusiast, but it will have parts that are above mainstream. And later, when they implement metal gates it should give them a nice boost.

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Sorry, Is this not a contradiction? Are you saying that deneb does not need to worry about nehalem because nehalem will be above mainstream but also deneb will be a success because it will allow AMD to sell cpus above the mainstream level?

Also, IS there not going to be a $266 nehalem? Would this not be mainstream?

[Epsilon84]

Well, I don't know where you get your info from, but all people that seem to have any sources at all say deneb will be faster than penryn clock for clock, and that amd will ship 3Ghz parts this year

Yeah, it won't be able to outperform nehalem, but thats not really an issue cuz nehalem won't go mainstream for a while.

If deneb turns out to be a success amd will finally be able to offer high end products, not ultra high end enthusiast, but it will have parts that are above mainstream. And later, when they implement metal gates it should give them a nice boost.

i think everyone who is not an idiot would want amd to go back on track in the cpu business, it will benefit us all : See what they did with the GPU market - now more people can afford to buy the GTX280 and troll about it

I'd lile to see the quotes from the 'sources' that say Deneb will be faster than Penryn per clock.

As for Nehalem, the 2.66GHz part will cost $284. If a 3GHz Deneb cannot outperform it (which I think is highly likely) then the most AMD can expect to charge for it is around ~$250, or if they keep their current pricing system, $235 like the 9950BE.

I'm starting to think that Intel deliberately priced Nehalem so low to hurt AMD's ASPs. They want to keep AMD on life support, strong enough to survive so they don't become a monopoly, but not really strong enough financially to really challenge them from a R&D standpoint.

[Donnie27]

I'd lile to see the quotes from the 'sources' that say Deneb will be faster than Penryn per clock.

As for Nehalem, the 2.66GHz part will cost $284. If a 3GHz Deneb cannot outperform it (which I think is highly likely) then the most AMD can expect to charge for it is around ~$250, or if they keep their current pricing system, $235 like the 9950BE.

I'm starting to think that Intel deliberately priced Nehalem so low to hurt AMD's ASPs. They want to keep AMD on life support, strong enough to survive so they don't become a monopoly, but not really strong enough financially to really challenge them from a R&D standpoint.

I vote for this as one of the most common sense posts of the thread.

[Shintai]

Well, I don't know where you get your info from, but all people that seem to have any sources at all say deneb will be faster than penryn clock for clock, and that amd will ship 3Ghz parts this year

Yeah, it won't be able to outperform nehalem, but thats not really an issue cuz nehalem won't go mainstream for a while.

Would that be the same sources with 3Ghz Phenom and 30000 3Dmark06 and 50% faster than Kentsfield in averge? Im curious....