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    Guys, I need some serious help right now cause I think I found the problem on my motherboard
    According to what I have checked and reviewing here, I think my problem is the droop of voltages while in idle.
    So please help me on this, I need to know what voltage droop causes the system to freeze and sometimes to restart so here it goes

    vcore= Yes this could be the one, maybe?
    PLL= This was the key for me to achieve stability on 0804, maybe adding a little more will finally let me be stable on idle?
    VTT= How do you know you need more VTT? freezes? BSoDs? 1.30 (1.33 real) is what I have needed so far. dont know if I should increase this (Im almost on border line=1.36)
    Memory= well, all I know is that if this was the responsable for my problems, I would get BSoDs. Could this be the one?
    NB= In load 100%, but could this cause inestability in idle? I seriously dont know what to say here
    SB= I have it in 1.50, is there any chance I would need more than 1.50? Im not using Tri-SLI, but all 6 SATA ports are in use, maybe this is the responsable since it has to handle a lot of hard drives? unsufficient power?
    So far I think is the SB, as far as I can tell, prime95 doesnt stress the hard drives or the SB as much as it does to the NB, and this might be the reason why Im not stable specially since Im using all SATA ports.

    Ok , Im not covering my eyes and trying to think that I have the perfect board and I just need to find the right voltages. I am 100% stable in Load, but I sometimes freeze in idle and I came to the conclusion it could be because of the sudden voltage droops.

    Anybody think they can help me out on this one before I end up RMAing the board, I would really appreciate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by slim142 View Post
    Guys, I need some serious help right now cause I think I found the problem on my motherboard
    According to what I have checked and reviewing here, I think my problem is the droop of voltages while in idle.
    So please help me on this, I need to know what voltage droop causes the system to freeze and sometimes to restart so here it goes

    vcore= Yes this could be the one, maybe?
    PLL= This was the key for me to achieve stability on 0804, maybe adding a little more will finally let me be stable on idle?
    VTT= How do you know you need more VTT? freezes? BSoDs? 1.30 (1.33 real) is what I have needed so far. dont know if I should increase this (Im almost on border line=1.36)
    Memory= well, all I know is that if this was the responsable for my problems, I would get BSoDs. Could this be the one?
    NB= In load 100%, but could this cause inestability in idle? I seriously dont know what to say here
    SB= I have it in 1.50, is there any chance I would need more than 1.50? Im not using Tri-SLI, but all 6 SATA ports are in use, maybe this is the responsable since it has to handle a lot of hard drives? unsufficient power?
    So far I think is the SB, as far as I can tell, prime95 doesnt stress the hard drives or the SB as much as it does to the NB, and this might be the reason why Im not stable specially since Im using all SATA ports.

    Ok , Im not covering my eyes and trying to think that I have the perfect board and I just need to find the right voltages. I am 100% stable in Load, but I sometimes freeze in idle and I came to the conclusion it could be because of the sudden voltage droops.

    Anybody think they can help me out on this one before I end up RMAing the board, I would really appreciate!
    From my reading here and elsewhere, having LLC enabled is most often the cause of "idle freezing/crashing/BSODs." Anandtech cautions against its use here for just that reason.

    Do you have LLC enabled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HurinThalion View Post
    From my reading here and elsewhere, having LLC enabled is most often the cause of "idle freezing/crashing/BSODs." Anandtech cautions against its use here for just that reason.

    Do you have LLC enabled?

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    I read this too and was concerned but I have this "thing" about running my chip within Intel's voltage guidline (<1.36v for my E8500) and I'm totally stable 4.2ghz @1.33v load. To achieve this with LLC disabled, I have to run outside the Intel guidlines (> 1.36v) while not under load which is most of the time.

    So I've chosen to enable LLC and so far I've not seen any negative effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HurinThalion View Post
    From my reading here and elsewhere, having LLC enabled is most often the cause of "idle freezing/crashing/BSODs." Anandtech cautions against its use here for just that reason.

    Do you have LLC enabled?

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    Just an FYI for you guys...I decided to try and take the LLC off(had it on)with my stable 1702 linked and synced settings....Now I'm get screen freezes and lock-ups, prime95 will just lock up on me before it completes even the first 4 or 5 tests. I ran memtest 2.01 with it on and off..it passes either way but I need it enabled in Vista to stop the lock-ups.

    Does this mean I need would to increase voltages with LLC off? Where would you start? CPU PLL VTT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger5521 View Post
    Just an FYI for you guys...I decided to try and take the LLC off(had it on)with my stable 1702 linked and synced settings....Now I'm get screen freezes and lock-ups, prime95 will just lock up on me before it completes even the first 4 or 5 tests. I ran memtest 2.01 with it on and off..it passes either way but I need it enabled in Vista to stop the lock-ups.

    Does this mean I need would to increase voltages with LLC off? Where would you start? CPU PLL VTT?
    Yes you need to increase your cpu vcore. Remember is normal for your cpu to have more voltage in idle than you wish, but this will fall when in load. Besides, a little more voltage on idle doesnt increase the temps that much, maybe 1 or 2 degrees.

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    What PLL are you running Slim? Whenever im writing to my hard drive my computer loses alot of stability ive figured out. I can run movies, games, whatever you want for hours on end, but when i try and install something, or even download something big, the computer isnt so stable. Its most likely to freeze during this time, but it doesnt always do that, however, it almost always starts locking the programs up one at a time. Ive explained this before. The RAM usage during this time is normal so i can only assume theres a problem with accessing the HDDs and only a certain amount of data is allowed through at once. Im thinking/hoping a SATA driver for the mobo might help out a bit. Still, if voltage fixes it then ill be more happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HurinThalion View Post
    From my reading here and elsewhere, having LLC enabled is most often the cause of "idle freezing/crashing/BSODs." Anandtech cautions against its use here for just that reason.

    Do you have LLC enabled?

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    Yes I do have it enabled. Do you think that could be the cause? Most people here have LLC enabled afaik.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coupa View Post
    What PLL are you running Slim? Whenever im writing to my hard drive my computer loses alot of stability ive figured out. I can run movies, games, whatever you want for hours on end, but when i try and install something, or even download something big, the computer isnt so stable. Its most likely to freeze during this time, but it doesnt always do that, however, it almost always starts locking the programs up one at a time. Ive explained this before. The RAM usage during this time is normal so i can only assume theres a problem with accessing the HDDs and only a certain amount of data is allowed through at once. Im thinking/hoping a SATA driver for the mobo might help out a bit. Still, if voltage fixes it then ill be more happy.

    I have 1.56v for PLL.
    I noticed that this was the only voltage I had in Auto so I thought that maybe I needed to increase this so I started with 1.50, but it was the same, then increased to 1.52 and was stable for 1 hour running prime, then 1.54 let me ran for 4 hours, so I knew I was going the right way so I applied 1.56 and that let me ran prime for 20 hours and I closed it after it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slim142 View Post
    Yes I do have it enabled. Do you think that could be the cause? Most people here have LLC enabled afaik.

    I have 1.56v for PLL.
    I noticed that this was the only voltage I had in Auto so I thought that maybe I needed to increase this so I started with 1.50, but it was the same, then increased to 1.52 and was stable for 1 hour running prime, then 1.54 let me ran for 4 hours, so I knew I was going the right way so I applied 1.56 and that let me ran prime for 20 hours and I closed it after it.
    I dont have LLC. And thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by slim142 View Post
    Yes I do have it enabled. Do you think that could be the cause? Most people here have LLC enabled afaik.
    Well, here's what Anandtech found with it enabled. . . not that this will be the case for everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by anandtech
    Finally, let's take one last real-world look at the consequences of removing Vdroop. ASUS' implementation of this feature, labeled as Load Line Calibration and included with their latest line of motherboards, is particularly worthy of our attention for a number of reasons. The first is that setting lower voltages with this option enabled actually results in a condition in which the CPU voltage under load is higher than the idle voltage. Imagine our confusion as we desperately struggle to understand why our system is Prime95 stable for days yet continues to crash under absolutely no load.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HurinThalion View Post
    Well, here's what Anandtech found with it enabled. . . not that this will be the case for everyone.
    And thats what left me wondering...

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    Slim, I can help you with RMAing your board through Asus, since I have already done it. What do you need bud??
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekjunkie View Post
    Slim, I can help you with RMAing your board through Asus, since I have already done it. What do you need bud??
    Thanks tek, but I already filled the form and Im just waiting for ASUS to reply to me. Oh god, If I have to RMA this board, Im going to have to use the G1S for a month
    So did you get it stable after all?

    There are two things that make me think are making me fail in nonsense situations. 1) lack of voltage to SB or any other component or 2) LLC

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    The last couple of bios updates have been OK for me, absolutely no lock-ups, freezes etc. I have two GTX 280s in SLi at 700MHz clock, and this is running perfectly in all games now. SB is maximum 37C under stress, NB is 44C. Crysis is absolutely playable at Very High settings at 1920 X 1200, min FPS is nearly 30!!!
    I've given up trying to get over 450FSB with this board, but the board is now 100% stable at this speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyke View Post
    The last couple of bios updates have been OK for me, absolutely no lock-ups, freezes etc. I have two GTX 280s in SLi at 700MHz clock, and this is running perfectly in all games now. SB is maximum 37C under stress, NB is 44C. Crysis is absolutely playable at Very High settings at 1920 X 1200, min FPS is nearly 30!!!
    I've given up trying to get over 450FSB with this board, but the board is now 100&#37; stable at this speed.
    Beautiful!

    Our setups are almost identical, it makes me wonder why I had so much freezing but you do not. Maybe a large portion of the boards are just bad from the factory?

    Would you be willing to post all of your BIOS settings please? (I see some of them in your sig)

    Also are you using 15.17 and 177.41?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceevee View Post
    Beautiful!

    Our setups are almost identical, it makes me wonder why I had so much freezing but you do not. Maybe a large portion of the boards are just bad from the factory?

    Would you be willing to post all of your BIOS settings please? (I see some of them in your sig)

    Also are you using 15.17 and 177.41?
    Hi, yes I'm using 15.17 and 177.41. I have no other tweaked settings apart from sig, GTL etc is all on auto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RasCas View Post
    VTT= How do you know you need more VTT? freezes? BSoDs? 1.30 (1.33 real) is what I have needed so far. dont know if I should increase this (Im almost on border line=1.36)

    I tried stuffing around with some settings to fix that video corruption error i was getting and remembered that i had changed this value yesterday. I had it at 1.4 and decreased it to 1.3 after reading somewhere that it was too high. It was after that i started to recieve errors. So i raised it back to 1.36 today and video problems have gone. Hope this may help others having similar problems.
    Even though Im on the border line 1.30v (1.32 is yellow) I will see if increasing this to the top 1.36v fixes anything. Thanks for the reply!

    Quote Originally Posted by tekjunkie View Post
    It's not stable even @ stock(prime keeps failing), but I havn't tried hard enough. Infact I haven't even switched it on for days now(have been busy @ work). I am planning to do so some serious work on it this long weekend.
    Good luck with that board. BTW, I just received the answer from ASUS. Just want to know, if I send the motherboard with 3-day shipping, from the day they get it, how long does it usually take for them to send me another one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slim142 View Post
    Even though Im on the border line 1.30v (1.32 is yellow) I will see if increasing this to the top 1.36v fixes anything. Thanks for the reply!



    Good luck with that board. BTW, I just received the answer from ASUS. Just want to know, if I send the motherboard with 3-day shipping, from the day they get it, how long does it usually take for them to send me another one?
    I RMAed a board to ASUS about 2 years ago and it took them 10 days to ship me a new one. However that was a long time back so maybe they are faster now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceevee View Post
    I RMAed a board to ASUS about 2 years ago and it took them 10 days to ship me a new one. However that was a long time back so maybe they are faster now.
    Oh man, I can use bro's (actually MINES at first) Striker Extreme 680i for limited time only and I just dont feel comfortable using laptops (G1S).
    What to do in 10 days...

    Please tell me is all about LLC

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceevee View Post
    Beautiful!

    Our setups are almost identical, it makes me wonder why I had so much freezing but you do not. Maybe a large portion of the boards are just bad from the factory?

    Would you be willing to post all of your BIOS settings please? (I see some of them in your sig)

    Also are you using 15.17 and 177.41?
    My setup with 2x GTX 280 is perfect stable, no freezing in Games ...

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