Official DFI LanParty UT X38-T2R(and LT) Discussion/Review/Overclock/Guide Thread

[zsamz_]

Guys,

still can't get my Q6600 above 450 FSB on this mobo. Tried everything, GTLs, voltages, and I'm certainly not a noob. Really bugs me because I know the CPU can handle more (FSB 480 was primestable on the Abit IX38). Now since my SS unit is at its limit with this super-hungy Q6600 of mine I'm thinking about going the 45nm route.
What I need to know is this: If the CPU can handle it, can I expect to go higher than 450 fsb-wise with the 45nm quad? Has anyone here done that? I'm talking WCG/gamestable here, not 1M runs

Please let me know what your max stable FSB is if you own this mobo and any 45nm quad.

try harder cause the only thing i couldnt do on this board is go past 555fsb
gtl setting is the key settings gotta be verry close on quads its only forgiving on duallies
did you try 140-130-110 range

[Jor3lBR]

Guys,

still can't get my Q6600 above 450 FSB on this mobo. Tried everything, GTLs, voltages, and I'm certainly not a noob. Really bugs me because I know the CPU can handle more (FSB 480 was primestable on the Abit IX38). Now since my SS unit is at its limit with this super-hungy Q6600 of mine I'm thinking about going the 45nm route.
What I need to know is this: If the CPU can handle it, can I expect to go higher than 450 fsb-wise with the 45nm quad? Has anyone here done that? I'm talking WCG/gamestable here, not 1M runs

Please let me know what your max stable FSB is if you own this mobo and any 45nm quad.

Thats pretty much the limit for that processor in this board. Have 2 Quads in X38 and X48 and both top out at 450-453...

Beyond that only for unstable screenshots...

[jcool]

I tried everything guys.. 150 to 90, no go. It worked with 1,4V VTT and GTL ref to 68/67% on the IX38 all the way to FSB 480. And I know you can hit 500+ easily on a dual, I was priming my E6600 on a P965 at >500 years ago on a 1066 strap like everyone else, no big deal.
But it really seems the X38 doesn't like my Quad. Hell, I've seen people go back to the P35 because they said it clocks better...

[vws]

... But it really seems the X38 doesn't like my Quad. Hell, I've seen people go back to the P35 because they said it clocks better...

I feel your pain, but look at the bright side - I just realized that the X38 chipset delivers a better data throughput for the quad-core in multi-threaded apps than the P35, clock for clock. This is not easily seen with most single-threaded benches out there, as X38 bears little difference from it's outstanding brethren P35. In single or dual-threaded apps both chipsets trade blows, but X38 stands out where you want to fully realize your quad-core advantage. It's a better multi-tasker chipset I'd say. And that's why we invested in a quad-core, isn't it?

PS. After all, the X38/X48 was designed with better DDR3 performance in mind, therefore it is logical that it maintains a higher throughput performance in resource-contention situations. I hope more & more people will confirm my findings.

[zsamz_]

I feel your pain, but look at the bright side - I just realized that the X38 chipset delivers a better data throughput for the quad-core in multi-threaded apps than the P35, clock for clock. This is not easily seen with most single-threaded benches out there, as X38 bears little difference from it's outstanding brethren P35. In single or dual-threaded apps both chipsets trade blows, but X38 stands out where you want to fully realize your quad-core advantage. It's a better multi-tasker chipset I'd say. And that's why we invested in a quad-core, isn't it?

PS. After all, the X38/X48 was designed with better DDR3 performance in mind, therefore it is logical that it maintains a higher throughput performance in resource-contention situations. I hope more & more people will confirm my findings.

i got both the ut p35 and the x38
although i run a dually my p35 spanks my x38
only thing x38 is better at is clocking 4 sticks
dfi has to get off their buts and start making a bios as good as the p35
i dont care if i cant get past 555fsb i'll be happy if the x38 is as fast clock per clock

[KingOfToasty]

Ok, so I just got my E8400 a few days ago and I should have my DFI LT X38 in a few weeks. I'm planning to do at least some OC'ing with the board (Not much, as it will be air cooled), but I don't quite understand a few things. Hoping someone can explain it to me.

I notice that some people seem to be lowering the multipliers on their procs. What benefits are there to lowering the multipliers as well as raising the fsb when overclocking?

Thanks in advance!

[zanzabar]

if u lower the multi then u can raise the FSB higher than the fsb could run with the higher multi in most cases, this allows for a higher NB clock so the ram can run more efficiently

[vws]

Something about this board is bugging me, and I need some help. I have a setting for my Q6600 at 3.2GHz for low-power job, and that setting has been blessed by both Prime95 v25.6 small-FFT (15.5 hours) and Blend (12 hours). Still, I am suffering random system restarts from time to time, out of no reason at all. The BIOS version is 0314, which is also the same BIOS those rigorous long tests passed with.

Every time this happens I checked Windows Event Log and there's nothing wrong reported. It shows as if I restarted the system, while in fact the PC tripped itself. I even had the temperature warning disabled in the BIOS and that still doesn't stop this problem (so apparently it's not heat related). BTW during those Prime95 tests none of the core temps went beyond 57C at 3.2GHz.

I suspect I got a bad board, but if it is bad why it was so solid during those long burn-in sessions (I have Everest event logs back that up: all volts are nearly unmoved). The PC is plugged in to a 750VA UPS as well. What could be wrong when all the tests results are perfect? I need troubleshooting ideas...

[zsamz_]

Something about this board is bugging me, and I need some help. I have a setting for my Q6600 at 3.2GHz for low-power job, and that setting has been blessed by both Prime95 v25.6 small-FFT (15.5 hours) and Blend (12 hours). Still, I am suffering random system restarts from time to time, out of no reason at all. The BIOS version is 0314, which is also the same BIOS those rigorous long tests passed with.

Every time this happens I checked Windows Event Log and there's nothing wrong reported. It shows as if I restarted the system, while in fact the PC tripped itself. I even had the temperature warning disabled in the BIOS and that still doesn't stop this problem (so apparently it's not heat related). BTW during those Prime95 tests none of the core temps went beyond 57C at 3.2GHz.


I suspect I got a bad board, but if it is bad why it was so solid during those long burn-in sessions (I have Everest event logs back that up: all volts are nearly unmoved). The PC is plugged in to a 750VA UPS as well. What could be wrong when all the tests results are perfect? I need troubleshooting ideas...

seems like bad gtl settings dont be scared to pump 1.5 on nb

[Dimek]

Did anyone have problems with boot using certain Vcore ??
I've changed CPU (E8500>E8400) and strange thing - I can set Vcore to max 1,22500V - anything higher causes "no boot" situation
I've tried all settings up to 1,35000V, and 1,40000 and 1,45000V - no change, still "no boot"...

CPU works great, (480x8@1,2V Orthos Stable, 480x9 SuperPi @1,225V SuperPi stable but needs more Vcore to be Orthos stable) - but it "no boots"

I've tried latest beta (2008/06/03) and latest official (2008/03/14) bioses and unwillingly want to change to previous versions...
Funny thing, the problem does not occur on my previous E8500 and backup CPU (Celeron D420)...

I heard people have this problem on DFI LP P35 - and cope with problem by using old (too old) bios... Actually DFI X38 has only few bioses - not much to choose and it's not good to loose its' fixes...

Anyone has any suggestions ??

[zsamz_]

Did anyone have problems with boot using certain Vcore ??
I've changed CPU (E8500>E8400) and strange thing - I can set Vcore to max 1,22500V - anything higher causes "no boot" situation
I've tried all settings up to 1,35000V, and 1,40000 and 1,45000V - no change, still "no boot"...

CPU works great, (480x8@1,2V Orthos Stable, 480x9 SuperPi @1,225V SuperPi stable but needs more Vcore to be Orthos stable) - but it "no boots"

I've tried latest beta (2008/06/03) and latest official (2008/03/14) bioses and unwillingly want to change to previous versions...
Funny thing, the problem does not occur on my previous E8500 and backup CPU (Celeron D420)...

I heard people have this problem on DFI LP P35 - and cope with problem by using old (too old) bios... Actually DFI X38 has only few bioses - not much to choose and it's not good to loose its' fixes...

Anyone has any suggestions ??

1)dont use the beta
2) use proper gtl settings or buy an asus board

[Origin_Unknown]

i wonder if the will have the same issue with teh 4870x2 as it does with the 3870x2?

[Dimek]

1)dont use the beta
2) use proper gtl settings or buy an asus board

1) tried latest beta & latest official - no difference... older bioses still to come
2) CPU even @default 3,0GHz with Vcore set >1,22500 can not boot - regardless of GTLs., regardless of strap, regardless of other voltages etc..
Asus board - no, thanks.... not yet

[zsamz_]

1) tried latest beta & latest official - no difference... older bioses still to come
2) CPU even @default 3,0GHz with Vcore set >1,22500 can not boot - regardless of GTLs., regardless of strap, regardless of other voltages etc..
Asus board - no, thanks.... not yet

personnally ive tried every bios x38-x48-utx48
the best one for me so far is the 111 + the betas ram settings
this is getting rediculous on dfi's part gettin lazy on the bios

[vws]

seems like bad gtl settings dont be scared to pump 1.5 on nb

At 3.2 (400x8) I have the GTL tweaking disabled, don't think it needs that at this slow speed but I'm gonna give it try later and see if that improves. The P95-passing vNB is a mere 1.278v and I've started to increase one notch after each random reboot. So far it's at 1.356v and I still see random reboot. Don't think I need to overvolt it at 1.5 as this doesn't seem to be the right route.

[vws]

personnally ive tried every bios x38-x48-utx48
the best one for me so far is the 111 + the betas ram settings
this is getting rediculous on dfi's part gettin lazy on the bios

Perhaps I should try BIOS 01/11 and what do you mean by beta RAM setting? Someone came up with a hybrid bios? I am at my wits end so I want to explore every option out there...

[SimpleTECH]

I am about to order the LT version but I have a quick question.

I noticed on DFI's website that the latest BIOS for the UT version is very recent whereas the LT has one back in March of this year. Now can I flash an LT board with the UT BIOS? Just curious, that's all.

Thanks!

EDIT: Ah crap, I posted this in the x38 board thread! Lol, the x48 one was right next to it at the time when I clicked the link. Sorry about that. :embarrassed:

[zsamz_]

Perhaps I should try BIOS 01/11 and what do you mean by beta RAM setting? Someone came up with a hybrid bios? I am at my wits end so I want to explore every option out there...

well the 1/11 best so far for me no c1 nightmare headaches
the fine delay settings in beta bios is more aggressive some settings are like 800 and in beta its 1100 its a verry slight boost
i'm tellin ya you gotta find the right gtl settings takes time but its fun lol

[vws]

well the 1/11 best so far for me no c1 nightmare headaches
the fine delay settings in beta bios is more aggressive some settings are like 800 and in beta its 1100 its a verry slight boost
i'm tellin ya you gotta find the right gtl settings takes time but its fun lol

Thanks, will definitely give 01/11 bios a try, coz 03/14 does give me some C1 error occasionally.

I take it for granted that when GTL tweaking is disabled the 3 values are default to 67% of VTT, is that not the case and we must manually set them up no matter what?

[Dimek]

1) tried latest beta & latest official - no difference... older bioses still to come
2) CPU even @default 3,0GHz with Vcore set >1,22500 can not boot - regardless of GTLs., regardless of strap, regardless of other voltages etc..
Asus board - no, thanks.... not yet

My problem is hmmmmm. solved... half way

No boot is definitely caused by certain bioses'.... "microcode optimisations"


After all CPU works great with initial bios release (2007/11/28) and all Vcore voltages are accesable...

480x9=4320 @1,3700 (bios) and RAM @1152/5-5-5-15/2,0V (bios) - no timing and voltages optimisation yet...



Will try further bios versions - but DFI should be more creative&sensitive to users issues/problems... Come on - only 6 bioses (3 official & 3 betas) after over 6 months of this product on the market is a little dissapointment for me... I would really like to use latest bios without being forced to use initial release just to have fundamental option as Vcore adjustment operational...


Ups, time to update my sig

[zsamz_]

Thanks, will definitely give 01/11 bios a try, coz 03/14 does give me some C1 error occasionally.

I take it for granted that when GTL tweaking is disabled the 3 values are default to 67% of VTT, is that not the case and we must manually set them up no matter what?

i can set to auto all the way to 500fsb n boot but is it really stable no


nice cpu you got there dimek

[jcool]

I also use the 01/11 bios, runs best except for a little USB trouble (keyboard disconnects and re-initializes every 2-3 days).

At 3.2 (400x8) I have the GTL tweaking disabled, don't think it needs that at this slow speed but I'm gonna give it try later and see if that improves. The P95-passing vNB is a mere 1.278v and I've started to increase one notch after each random reboot. So far it's at 1.356v and I still see random reboot. Don't think I need to overvolt it at 1.5 as this doesn't seem to be the right route.

Keep in mind that the bios vNB setting is undervolting.. so if you give 1,5V it's more like 1,45V really.
I also need lots of MCH for anything (probably because of quad + 4x1GB + high fsb + high memspeed), but tuning the NB GTL can also help if you want to stay low with MCH.

[vws]

I also use the 01/11 bios, runs best except for a little USB trouble (keyboard disconnects and re-initializes every 2-3 days).

Hmm... could that be driver issue instead (or conflicting drivers even though it doesn't show in device manager)?

Keep in mind that the bios vNB setting is undervolting.. so if you give 1,5V it's more like 1,45V really.
I also need lots of MCH for anything (probably because of quad + 4x1GB + high fsb + high memspeed), but tuning the NB GTL can also help if you want to stay low with MCH.

Don't know why but the vNB setting on my board actually overvolts a bit - according to Everest that is. I haven't used a multimeter to measure it up myself. So when you guys say it's undervolting, do you mean it in respect to MM measured volts?

Also what is the best reference while tweaking the GTL, do you guys all look at this table? That's for UT P35 board and I wonder if anyone has an update for LT X38/X48...

[Dimek]

Also what is the best reference while tweaking the GTL, do you guys all look at this table? That's for UT P35 board and I wonder if anyone has an update for LT X38/X48...

Take a look here and here

[vws]

Good sources - Thanks Dimek!