Are they dieing regardless of brand? I have a Gecube HD4870 on order.
Are they dieing regardless of brand? I have a Gecube HD4870 on order.
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Sounds like there was a bad batch.
It's notable, but I wouldn't worry too much. It seems HIS is being affected the most, which means it's a problem with their OEM.
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better cooling
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Everyone who's cards failed seemed to have flashed the bios of them. It looks like the actual flash programs are causing the issues somehow.Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
They are ALWAYS safe to buy because if one dies but you didn't do anything to it (no cooler change, no voltmod, no bios mod, no overclock attemps other than CCC Overdrive, etc) you can always safely bring it back to the shop for immediate exchanging a new one or rma to the etailer.
The number of members at this and similar fora that can't wait overclocking all new stuff they buy is in the four digits.
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This is not the first time a HIS video card has failed in larger than supposed batches.
HIS IceQ3 (? or stock) 3870 also did that. Funny when it's BBA. Really, I think people should have stayed out after the last burnout.
According to user reports, that's not entirely the case. Some say their cards failed while unmoded. You may choose to believe their statements or not, but personally I will take these fellow XS members at their word until I have reason otherwise. Really they are still gathering more information about what the cause is. If it is defective parts, I am interested in seeing how it is handled by the companies involved. If it is user error, it would be helpful to know what sort of actions to avoid. But either way, more information is needed.
As for not buying the cards, I don't know about that either. What sort of failure rate are we talking about here? With more information about that trend I am certain informed users can make decisions for themselves about whether they want to take the obvious risk behind being an early adopter. Are we seeing an abnormally high failure rate, or was market demand simply so great that reports of potential issues came to light more rapidly?
I think it has to do with the GDDR5. I'm seeing loads of people with 4850's without any problems, and they oc'ed and vmoded the crap out of them (Example: gurusan). I didn't hear of a 4850 dyeing so far and the only difference i can think of between 4850 and 4870 is the GDDR5. Maybe that + excessive heat because of the crap stock fan speed is enough to randomly kill some. (altough users fixed that with the bios editor, got good temps and cards still died).
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your joking? from what i have seen there mostly cards released in the US that are exhibiting this problem , and allot of them have been flashed , cards do "just" die , it happens , maybe the gddr5 is extrasensitive?
anywayThese are the first ATi cards with 1Mb ROMs. As such, old tools might not work all that well for flashing the bios, in spite of their claiming RV770 support. So a wee bit of patience in your extreme overclocking endeavors might be very very healthy.
could be a problem?
Oh no man, sorry to hear you had 2 cards die on you...sounds like ATi have inherited AMD's problems
Thanks Zerazax looks like I can just about squeeze 2 1GB HD4870 puppies into my PC.
John
Stop looking at the walls, look out the window
Does removal of the stock cooler void the warranty on these AMD cards? If there are any reliability issues at all I want to choose the company with the best warranty and customer service when I buy my HD4870x2.
For what its worth my card is a Sapphire and it has been running fine.
xStraight Edgex
Here 4850's sell for $180 and 4870's for $270. Awesome price, ATI!
This thread has now taken a hilarious turn. There is a REASON BIOS flashing isn't covered by the warranty and we are seeing exactly why.
Show me where large batches of non flashed, non-overclocked cards are dying (taking into account that people who experience a problem are more likely to whine than those who don't) and maybe we will have something.
Until then it is just a matter of people wading into BIOS flashing without thinking of the ramifications.
hehehe true...but since we're in XS, nothing is left to stock LOL
I agree.To add to your post,i think most of people forget this is XS,so users are often taking their cards to the limits(BIOS flashing,volt modding etc.) so it's not uncommon we will see more problems at this forum than at any other out there.Most users are not OCing their systems,and with the latest "fix" for fan speed that Mascaras posted recently,Radeons are now idling 25 degrees lower than ususally(with 65% fan duty cycle).
Informal, it's actually healthy to criticize ATI now and then. Supporting them 100% of the time doesn't help your credibility
This is a QC (quality control) issue for the very reason that it is not an issue at Nvidia. GTX 280s were clocking to 700Mhz on air on stock cooling with sufficient fan speeds from day One. The dead cards are a small percentage and thus a small cause for concern, but the lack of availability plus the issues with the cards that AMD has yet to officially address on its own or any AIB for that matter, collectively means they are not giving a frack about the enthusiast users right now.
That may change in the future, but this is a serious issue. Thankfully, W1zzard has helped us isolate the problem and avoid it until a permanent fix arrives.
Perkam
Perkam ,i personally think this is AIB problem,not AMD's problem.But yes,the issue is there and needs to be addressed.How it will be done,i don't care,as long as it is fixed.The problems is the fan speed and it's rather low(yeah for the sake of quiet card,but it's still low).
I still can't see how this is a "serious issue" when the majority of people reporting problems are people ones who flashed their BIOSes.
BIOS flashing is not an exact science and it is funny that you bring up the GTX 280 cards since no one was flashing the BIOS on those cards to get to that 700Mhz clock speed. I fail to see how parallels can be drawn between the two in the first place based on the methods people have used for overclocking in each instance.
On way or another, people have to realize that a "serious problem" to the overclocking community means squat in the marketplace as a whole. I have said it once and I will say it again: there is a reason overclocking and BIOS flashing isn't covered by the warranty.
How dare you criticize another Canuck, eh ?!!
Et tu SKYMTL, then fall Perkam
Some users are finding problems from CCC Ocing and from using them in Xfire at stock. Check the video card section
Perkam
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i still think your betting your 300$ on a card thats got a high chance of dying within a few days. if you all knew anything about the issue you would know that quite a few cards on this forum have died without flashing any BIOS at all so i wouldn't be so quick to discount it as the sole reason. (this includes one of mine and 6 (4 his and 2 powercolor) others that i can specifically think of at this time tho there are more that i wont risk mentioning for fear of exageration,)
Jimmyz has said that other forums are reporting similar deaths.
so it comes down to this: do you want to buy a card that has a high chance of having a defect and even if it works your not gonna be able to OC it because the quimonda ram is holding you back? or do you want to wait, get a little price drop, and get a card you can work with? it seems pretty logical to me not to buy a 4870 until the problem has a fix or is fixed by AMD
Last edited by SNiiPE_DoGG; 06-29-2008 at 07:59 AM.
Well we can't help it if you start giving invites to people whose card has failed
In all seriousness, it's still a very small number and WAY to early to make comments like yours. In the worst case scenario, you could have a card die on you, be denied an RMA, be forced to buy another one, and still save money vs the GTX 280
Seriously, this stuff happens from time to time. For the owners, it is a serious issue, but as long as they are patient, they will get their due
I'm personally waiting for an official response from AIBs.
Perkam
well whatever, cant say i didnt warn em
I am just playing Devil's Advocate here.Some users are finding problems from CCC Ocing and from using them in Xfire at stock. Check the video card section
Perkam
Another aspect to remember is that everyone out there is basically using beta (or what ATI calls "hotfix") drivers which can cause any number of things to go bump in the night. I have even had some issues with the CCC of the Series_5 betas failing to recognize the hardware after uninstalling the 8.6 drivers from my HD3870.
Personally, I think there is alot more going on here than buggy cards that go butt-up when having their BIOS flashed. Alot of it has to do with underlying driver issues IMO. This is why I never (EVER) use an overclock on a day-to-day basis with a hotfix driver from ATI. Not to mention that there is a REASON the CCC Overdrive only goes to a certain speed.
One way or another, if there are widespread reports of non-overclocked cards biting the dust I will be the first to jump on the lynching bandwagon. Until then though, I have my pitchfork, tourches and white bedcovering safely tucked away.
Last edited by SKYMTL; 06-29-2008 at 08:14 AM.
i have a HIS 4580 which i have abused and its going strong still right now... flashed maybe 6-7 times trying different clocks after voltmodding. am sitting at 725/1050 which seems to be its sweet spot. i do have it on water tho... still if it does pop i wont be blaming ati... also my card was pretty weak on stock volts anyway, was only syable at 650 on the core so i needed to abuse it anyways..
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