ATI HD4800 Review Thread

[ceevee]

You guys are hilarious. I care about performance only. Show me a battery of tests (10+ tests) that show that either:

4870 > GTX280 on average

or

4870CF > GTX280SLI on average

You won't because there aren't any. You may be able to point to one or two red herrings where that is the case. However if you average the results across many many games GTX280 still owns 4870 and SLI scales better across more games than CF currently does.

You guys remind me of the HD DVD fanboys who said HD DVD was better because it was cheaper. (we all know how that eventually turned out )

I don't care if you think AMD is more "efficient". Power consumption and heat say otherwise anyway.

Show me the FPS.

[Motiv]

You guys are hilarious. I care about performance only. Show me a battery of tests (10+ tests) that show that either:

4870 > GTX280 on average

or

4870CF > GTX280SLI on average

You won't because there aren't any. You may be able to point to one or two red herrings where that is the case. However if you average the results across many many games GTX280 still owns 4870 and SLI scales better across more games than CF currently does.

You guys remind me of the HD DVD fanboys who said HD DVD was better because it was cheaper. (we all know how that eventually turned out )

I don't care if you think AMD is more "efficient". Power consumption and heat say otherwise anyway.

Show me the FPS.

Agree, if you have the money and want better performance go for it. I would if I had the cash

Personally I will get the 4870 now, it's just within my budget and I need a new card for cod5 when it finally arrives

[iTravis]

You guys are hilarious. I care about performance only. Show me a battery of tests (10+ tests) that show that either:

4870 > GTX280 on average

or

4870CF > GTX280SLI on average

You won't because there aren't any. You may be able to point to one or two red herrings where that is the case. However if you average the results across many many games GTX280 still owns 4870 and SLI scales better across more games than CF currently does.

You guys remind me of the HD DVD fanboys who said HD DVD was better because it was cheaper. (we all know how that eventually turned out )

I don't care if you think AMD is more "efficient". Power consumption and heat say otherwise anyway.

Show me the FPS.

IDK if you're clearly biased or such a huge Nvidia fanboy or an uber rich dude who only care about performance and demand the best but your statements don't make any sense at all. First you compare the GTX 280 which is a high end video card to a performance HD4870 then you start making assumption about Nvidia next card like the GTX280GX2 (I got one for you right below, maybe you're the only one who can afford that) and blah blah blah
Pls keep in mind that not everybody here have the money to spend like you, yeh sure you can get 2xGTX 280 and pwns the HD4870 in CF but considering the GTX 280 is about 13% faster than the HD4870 but with more than twice the price, is it really worth it?

Dunno if it's legit or not but it seems 2xHD4870X2 can beat GTX 280 in Tri-SLI.
http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3605

And here's your GTX280GX2:

[ceevee]

IDK if you're clearly biased or such a huge Nvidia fanboy or an uber rich dude who only care about performance and demand the best but your statements don't make any sense at all. First you compare the GTX 280 which is a high end video card to a performance HD4870 then you start making assumption about Nvidia next card like the GTX280GX2 (I got one for you right below, maybe you're the only one who can afford that) and blah blah blah
Pls keep in mind that not everybody here have the money to spend like you, yeh sure you can get 2xGTX 280 and pwns the HD4870 in CF but considering the GTX 280 is about 13% faster than the HD4870 but with more than twice the price, is it really worth it?

Dunno if it's legit or not but it seems 2xHD4870X2 can beat GTX 280 in Tri-SLI.
http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3605

I think the 4870 is an amzing card and AMD deserves .

However I do not understand people saying it has the performance crown when it clearly does not, not to mention you are saying this about a card that may not even be released for 2 MONTHS.

Anyway here is GTX280 in tri-SLI so you can see that it handily beats your x12000 score from 2xHD4870x2:

[grimREEFER]

i would imagine that 3x factory overclocked gtx 280's would generally beat 2x 4870x2's, losing in maybe some of the games that play really well with amd cards, like cod 4. the price difference is pretty massive as well, the amd cards being much cheaper.
well, when you're dealing with multiple cards of that caliber, i would feel weird with just a 512mb buffer anyway.

[Solus Corvus]

However I do not understand people saying it has the performance crown when it clearly does not, not to mention you are saying this about a card that may not even be released for 2 MONTHS.

It certainly has the performance/$ crown. I don't see anyone saying that it has the absolute performance crown. Do you?

And you started this ride on the speculation train about a card that isn't released yet when you said:

Actually last I checked 2x GTX280 in SLI pretty much owns 2x 4870 in crossfire and will own 4870x2, so where do you get:

Do you actually know how it will perform any better then the rest of us? My guess is...no.

Anyway here is GTX280 in tri-SLI so you can see that it handily beats your x12000 score from 2xHD4870x2:

And what about at stock clocks?

[ceevee]

And what about at stock clocks?

Those are basically stock clocks for the EVGA card in question. (FTW edition)

[Solus Corvus]

Those are basically stock clocks for the EVGA card in question. (FTW edition)

It would be foolish to think that none of the ATI partners are going to release overclocked versions of their respective cards. You missed the point.

Are 2 of the topend cards from Nvidia going to beat 2 of the topend cards from ATI? I don't know, and I am willing to bet that you don't either.

But I do know that when a low lag 30" monitor comes out I am going to want the absolute fastest graphics card solution available at the time - whichever company that comes from. But in the mean time, a 4870 should work wonders on my 24" and it happens to be in my budget.

[grimREEFER]

anand has the now $425 9800gx2 beating the 4870 and gtx 280 basically universally, and by some very large margins in some cases.
so, imo, nvidia should just focus on that card more, cause the gtx260 is kinda bs now that the 4870 is out, and the gtx 260 hasnt actually launched yet.

[AbelJemka]

I think the 4870 is an amzing card and AMD deserves .

However I do not understand people saying it has the performance crown when it clearly does not, not to mention you are saying this about a card that may not even be released for 2 MONTHS.

Anyway here is GTX280 in tri-SLI so you can see that it handily beats your x12000 score from 2xHD4870x2:

50000 CPU Score
PhysX...

[ceevee]

50000 CPU Score
PhysX...

It seems AMD has had a panic attack because they cannot do physics yet, so they are trying to play dirty and have physics removed from Vantage.

Hopefully we will not have to gimp our systems and remove PhysX support to run the benchmark.

[AbelJemka]

It seems AMD has had a panic attack because they cannot do physics yet, so they are trying to play dirty and have physics removed from Vantage.

Hopefully we will not have to gimp our systems and remove PhysX support to run the benchmark.

Lol.
Futuremark drivers rules specified this. Nvidia knows it.

[AriciU]

Lol.
Futuremark drivers rules specified this. Nvidia knows it.

Nah man, AMD bribed Futuremark so they chopped off 2" of Nvidia's e-penis

[Motiv]

It seems AMD has had a panic attack because they cannot do physics yet, so they are trying to play dirty and have physics removed from Vantage.

Hopefully we will not have to gimp our systems and remove PhysX support to run the benchmark.

Until you stated this, I was on your side. That really is a terrible response. yes, you want the best card you can buy as of now but to say AMD are panicking, is crazy talk.

As the other poster has pointed out AMD can use physx if they want but they have jumped aboard the industry leader in Havok (intel).

Having Physx in Vantage is stupid as it has no relevance on actual games at the moment and distorts the entire benchmark. It should be removed.

[Insanity]

Having Physx in Vantage is stupid as it has no relevance on actual games at the moment and distorts the entire benchmark. It should be removed.

Furthermore, it was designed to bench on dedicated PhysX cards and CPUs, not on GPUs.

As the PhysX bench running on the PPU/GPU is not very graphic intensive, it has NO sense at all. It practicaly makes the GPU as a dedicated PPU, but in actual games, the GPU will be busy rendering graphics and won't have that much power for physic processing.

[villa1n]

I think the 4870 is an amzing card and AMD deserves .

However I do not understand people saying it has the performance crown when it clearly does not, not to mention you are saying this about a card that may not even be released for 2 MONTHS.

Anyway here is GTX280 in tri-SLI so you can see that it handily beats your x12000 score from 2xHD4870x2:

not sure if you ve seen these results... 12k vantage score with just 2 4870's... not X2's ....

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/148...age/index.html

[ceevee]

I think the 4870 is an amzing card and AMD deserves .

However I do not understand people saying it has the performance crown when it clearly does not, not to mention you are saying this about a card that may not even be released for 2 MONTHS.

Anyway here is GTX280 in tri-SLI so you can see that it handily beats your x12000 score from 2xHD4870x2:

not sure if you ve seen these results... 12k vantage score with just 2 4870's... not X2's ....

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/148...age/index.html

I realize this is an easy mistake to make, but it needs to be pointed out:

Tri-SLI gets X15310, at EXTREME SETTINGS

You link to 2xHD4870CF getting P12000 at PERFORMANCE SETTINGS, if you actually read the chart that you linked you will see clearly that 2x4870CF scores X6433 at EXTREME SETTINGS, so 2x4870CF is about 1/3 of GTX280 SLI, or 6433 vs. 15310.

Again Nvidia has the ultimate performance crown, even if it doesn't have the lowest cost.

[Dragy2k]

can we stop bickering like kids and get on playing wit our new toys...like kids.......tbh WHO CARES.......ati gettin a heap of money coming there way and about time too.....can we end this now ....its tiresome!

[Caparroz]

can we stop bickering like kids and get on playing wit our new toys...like kids.......tbh WHO CARES.......ati gettin a heap of money coming there way and about time too.....can we end this now ....its tiresome!

QFT

I just don't understand people arguing with numbers...

If you're a gamer up to 22": 4850 or a 9800gtx (although 4850 is a better pick once you turn on AA)

If you're a gamer above 22": 4870

If you're a bencher: gtx280, 3xgtx280, 4x4870, etc.

If you're a Crysis gamer: ebay it, it's a crappy game anyway. Arguing if a card plays it at Xfps or at Yfps is ridiculous. It's unplayable on any card at proper IQ settings (don't tell me you're OK with High knowing there's a Very High). You can spend $1300 on 2 gtx280 but it's $1300 to play only one game.

[Spawne32]

I realize this is an easy mistake to make, but it needs to be pointed out:

Tri-SLI gets X15310, at EXTREME SETTINGS

You link to 2xHD4870CF getting P12000 at PERFORMANCE SETTINGS, if you actually read the chart that you linked you will see clearly that 2x4870CF scores X6433 at EXTREME SETTINGS, so 2x4870CF is about 1/3 of GTX280 SLI, or 6433 vs. 15310.

Again Nvidia has the ultimate performance crown, even if it doesn't have the lowest cost.

this thread is about discussion of the HD 4870, not the GTX 280. Im not gona lie here and say that the 4870 stomps the GTX 280 because it doesnt, but the fact of the matter is that the 4870 performs damn well and holds its own right up there against the GTX 280 for a significantly less price. Not to mention the fact that with ATI cards you arent forced to use a god awful nvidia chipset which will wind up lowering your performance in every other aspect of your entire system.

[zanzabar]

I realize this is an easy mistake to make, but it needs to be pointed out:

Tri-SLI gets X15310, at EXTREME SETTINGS

You link to 2xHD4870CF getting P12000 at PERFORMANCE SETTINGS, if you actually read the chart that you linked you will see clearly that 2x4870CF scores X6433 at EXTREME SETTINGS, so 2x4870CF is about 1/3 of GTX280 SLI, or 6433 vs. 15310.

Again Nvidia has the ultimate performance crown, even if it doesn't have the lowest cost.

do u realize that NV has all illegal scores on 3dmark rite now sine it uses the agea CUDA in the driver and breaks like 5 rules so u have 2-3k more than u should with 3 cards, all ur doing is arguing a moot point , u would be strapped to a glitched platform just for 1000+W of power draw on grafix and terrible IQ and $3200 for MB and grafix

[ceevee]

do u realize that NV has all illegal scores on 3dmark rite now sine it uses the agea CUDA in the driver and breaks like 5 rules so u have 2-3k more than u should with 3 cards, all ur doing is arguing a moot point , u would be strapped to a glitched platform just for 1000+W of power draw on grafix and terrible IQ and $3200 for MB and grafix

So Ageia makes up for the difference between X6000 and x15310 LOL? Good luck with that idea.

[ceevee]

do u realize that NV has all illegal scores on 3dmark rite now sine it uses the agea CUDA in the driver and breaks like 5 rules so u have 2-3k more than u should with 3 cards, all ur doing is arguing a moot point , u would be strapped to a glitched platform just for 1000+W of power draw on grafix and terrible IQ and $3200 for MB and grafix

Lets compare apples to apples then. P12000 for 2x4870CF vs. 280GTXSLI

[Truckchase!]

Again Nvidia has the ultimate performance crown, even if it doesn't have the lowest cost.[/b]

You win.

Can we get this thread back on-topic now?