ATI HD4800 Review Thread

[ceevee]

Will 2x GTX280 own 2x 4870x2?









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I don't know either, I was just wondering.

I would guess 3x GTX280 will defeat 2x 4870x2. But you guys are comparing a card that is 2-3 months away to a card that is out today.

We don't know if AMD will have to reduce the clocks alot for 4870x2 because of the incredible heat and power consumption. We don't know if in 3 months Nvidia will have gone to 55nm and 750Mhz stock frequency, we don't know if in 3 months GTX280gx2 may be coming soon.

You are giving ATI this huge advantage in the assumptions you are making but NOT giving the benefit of those same assumptions to NVidia.

For the record I may be biased because I just ordered another GTX280 tonight to go SLI.

However, when I look at the scores of what is available today 2x GTX280 SLI blows away anything else that is out there.

[LordEC911]

I would guess 3x GTX280 will defeat 2x 4870x2. But you guys are comparing a card that is 2-3 months away to a card that is out today.

Where are you pulling this BS 2-3 months?
2 months max and more like ~4 weeks.

[Solus Corvus]

I would guess 3x GTX280 will defeat 2x 4870x2. But you guys are comparing a card that is 2-3 months away to a card that is out today.

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You are giving ATI this huge advantage in the assumptions you are making but NOT giving the benefit of those same assumptions to NVidia.

No, I'm not making any assumptions. The fact is that I can't afford a $600 card today, but I can afford a $300 card and have enough left over for a water block. And I play Quake Wars at 1920x1200. Hmm, which card should I get?

In 2-3 months, I probably will have enough money to blow thousands on graphics cards. What should I get then? I don't know, maybe you can speculate for me.

But speaking about assumptions, what if we assume that the person buying crossfire or SLI plays Bioshock or CoD4 a lot? Wouldn't it be wise for them to get 2x4870s since they beat 2xGTX280s in those games? Or are assumptions only good when they agree with your particular usage scenario?

[ceevee]

You guys are hilarious. I care about performance only. Show me a battery of tests (10+ tests) that show that either:

4870 > GTX280 on average

or

4870CF > GTX280SLI on average

You won't because there aren't any. You may be able to point to one or two red herrings where that is the case. However if you average the results across many many games GTX280 still owns 4870 and SLI scales better across more games than CF currently does.

You guys remind me of the HD DVD fanboys who said HD DVD was better because it was cheaper. (we all know how that eventually turned out )

I don't care if you think AMD is more "efficient". Power consumption and heat say otherwise anyway.

Show me the FPS.

[Motiv]

You guys are hilarious. I care about performance only. Show me a battery of tests (10+ tests) that show that either:

4870 > GTX280 on average

or

4870CF > GTX280SLI on average

You won't because there aren't any. You may be able to point to one or two red herrings where that is the case. However if you average the results across many many games GTX280 still owns 4870 and SLI scales better across more games than CF currently does.

You guys remind me of the HD DVD fanboys who said HD DVD was better because it was cheaper. (we all know how that eventually turned out )

I don't care if you think AMD is more "efficient". Power consumption and heat say otherwise anyway.

Show me the FPS.

Agree, if you have the money and want better performance go for it. I would if I had the cash

Personally I will get the 4870 now, it's just within my budget and I need a new card for cod5 when it finally arrives

[iTravis]

You guys are hilarious. I care about performance only. Show me a battery of tests (10+ tests) that show that either:

4870 > GTX280 on average

or

4870CF > GTX280SLI on average

You won't because there aren't any. You may be able to point to one or two red herrings where that is the case. However if you average the results across many many games GTX280 still owns 4870 and SLI scales better across more games than CF currently does.

You guys remind me of the HD DVD fanboys who said HD DVD was better because it was cheaper. (we all know how that eventually turned out )

I don't care if you think AMD is more "efficient". Power consumption and heat say otherwise anyway.

Show me the FPS.

IDK if you're clearly biased or such a huge Nvidia fanboy or an uber rich dude who only care about performance and demand the best but your statements don't make any sense at all. First you compare the GTX 280 which is a high end video card to a performance HD4870 then you start making assumption about Nvidia next card like the GTX280GX2 (I got one for you right below, maybe you're the only one who can afford that) and blah blah blah
Pls keep in mind that not everybody here have the money to spend like you, yeh sure you can get 2xGTX 280 and pwns the HD4870 in CF but considering the GTX 280 is about 13% faster than the HD4870 but with more than twice the price, is it really worth it?

Dunno if it's legit or not but it seems 2xHD4870X2 can beat GTX 280 in Tri-SLI.
http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3605

And here's your GTX280GX2:

[ceevee]

IDK if you're clearly biased or such a huge Nvidia fanboy or an uber rich dude who only care about performance and demand the best but your statements don't make any sense at all. First you compare the GTX 280 which is a high end video card to a performance HD4870 then you start making assumption about Nvidia next card like the GTX280GX2 (I got one for you right below, maybe you're the only one who can afford that) and blah blah blah
Pls keep in mind that not everybody here have the money to spend like you, yeh sure you can get 2xGTX 280 and pwns the HD4870 in CF but considering the GTX 280 is about 13% faster than the HD4870 but with more than twice the price, is it really worth it?

Dunno if it's legit or not but it seems 2xHD4870X2 can beat GTX 280 in Tri-SLI.
http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3605

I think the 4870 is an amzing card and AMD deserves .

However I do not understand people saying it has the performance crown when it clearly does not, not to mention you are saying this about a card that may not even be released for 2 MONTHS.

Anyway here is GTX280 in tri-SLI so you can see that it handily beats your x12000 score from 2xHD4870x2:

[grimREEFER]

i would imagine that 3x factory overclocked gtx 280's would generally beat 2x 4870x2's, losing in maybe some of the games that play really well with amd cards, like cod 4. the price difference is pretty massive as well, the amd cards being much cheaper.
well, when you're dealing with multiple cards of that caliber, i would feel weird with just a 512mb buffer anyway.

[Solus Corvus]

However I do not understand people saying it has the performance crown when it clearly does not, not to mention you are saying this about a card that may not even be released for 2 MONTHS.

It certainly has the performance/$ crown. I don't see anyone saying that it has the absolute performance crown. Do you?

And you started this ride on the speculation train about a card that isn't released yet when you said:

Actually last I checked 2x GTX280 in SLI pretty much owns 2x 4870 in crossfire and will own 4870x2, so where do you get:

Do you actually know how it will perform any better then the rest of us? My guess is...no.

Anyway here is GTX280 in tri-SLI so you can see that it handily beats your x12000 score from 2xHD4870x2:

And what about at stock clocks?

[ceevee]

And what about at stock clocks?

Those are basically stock clocks for the EVGA card in question. (FTW edition)

[AbelJemka]

I think the 4870 is an amzing card and AMD deserves .

However I do not understand people saying it has the performance crown when it clearly does not, not to mention you are saying this about a card that may not even be released for 2 MONTHS.

Anyway here is GTX280 in tri-SLI so you can see that it handily beats your x12000 score from 2xHD4870x2:

50000 CPU Score
PhysX...

[ceevee]

50000 CPU Score
PhysX...

It seems AMD has had a panic attack because they cannot do physics yet, so they are trying to play dirty and have physics removed from Vantage.

Hopefully we will not have to gimp our systems and remove PhysX support to run the benchmark.

[villa1n]

I think the 4870 is an amzing card and AMD deserves .

However I do not understand people saying it has the performance crown when it clearly does not, not to mention you are saying this about a card that may not even be released for 2 MONTHS.

Anyway here is GTX280 in tri-SLI so you can see that it handily beats your x12000 score from 2xHD4870x2:

not sure if you ve seen these results... 12k vantage score with just 2 4870's... not X2's ....

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/148...age/index.html

[ceevee]

I think the 4870 is an amzing card and AMD deserves .

However I do not understand people saying it has the performance crown when it clearly does not, not to mention you are saying this about a card that may not even be released for 2 MONTHS.

Anyway here is GTX280 in tri-SLI so you can see that it handily beats your x12000 score from 2xHD4870x2:

not sure if you ve seen these results... 12k vantage score with just 2 4870's... not X2's ....

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/148...age/index.html

I realize this is an easy mistake to make, but it needs to be pointed out:

Tri-SLI gets X15310, at EXTREME SETTINGS

You link to 2xHD4870CF getting P12000 at PERFORMANCE SETTINGS, if you actually read the chart that you linked you will see clearly that 2x4870CF scores X6433 at EXTREME SETTINGS, so 2x4870CF is about 1/3 of GTX280 SLI, or 6433 vs. 15310.

Again Nvidia has the ultimate performance crown, even if it doesn't have the lowest cost.