Danger Den GTX 280 WB

[dengyong]

Where did you even find the HC in stock?

EVGA store, They will have more soon.

You have to check often, because they sell out fast.

[HaCKs]

Something about Danger Den will ALWAYS have me coming back from more. I am sure I have spent over $3000 on them in the last six years, and will spend more in years to come. I always saw them as the pioneers, when everyone else was making mass produced crap (TT and koolance) They made sure to cater to enthusiasts. They spend a lot of time watching the forums, listening to what people want, and building it! Their prices are not bad at all, for years they have taken custom orders and for very very good prices have not problem at all making you a case from scratch that is perfect for you.

[RickCain]

As for the high space . . .Danger Den pretty much was the pioneer of one of them into that high space of water-cooling . . .

They have not done anything since ripping Cathars WW design..... This GTX 280 is half baked at best.

Only exception is the Torture Rack which I really like!

[DarthBeavis]

They have not done anything since ripping Cathars WW design..... This GTX 280 is half baked at best.

Only exception is the Torture Rack which I really like!

Rip of this what design?

[iboomalot]

WW = white water block

http://www.procooling.com/index.php?...s&disp=85&pg=1

[skinnee]

While I did not specifically ask . . .I notice someone did and DD replied they are making a backplate they just do not have it out yet . . .

Good to know!

EK nor DD has their full offering or any offering out yet, lets see what both have to offer for a full cover block and backplate.

[DarthBeavis]

Wow . . .I guess I have been wrong all along. All Danger Den's blocks look just like that block! Damn. I guess that just have not done a damned thing in the last five to seven years . . .thank goodness we have a superior engineer like RickCain to show us how it should be done . . .well, except if he knows the way I don't see why he does not enter the market and make a mint . . .talk is cheap.

[RickCain]

Wow . . .I guess I have been wrong all along. All Danger Den's blocks look just like that block! Damn. I guess that just have not done a damned thing in the last five to seven years . . .thank goodness we have a superior engineer like RickCain to show us how it should be done . . .well, except if he knows the way I don't see why he does not enter the market and make a mint . . .talk is cheap.

You need to dig deep into pro cooling's forums to understand as it was clearly before your time......

Take a look inside the WW and you will see

[DarthBeavis]

You need to dig deep into pro cooling's forums to understand as it was clearly before your time......

Take a look inside the WW and you will see

You need to go look at your statement. You stated they have done nothing since the time of the WW (regardless of if they stole the idea or not I have no idea and cannot comment).

They have not done anything since ripping Cathars WW design.....

[RickCain]

You need to go look at your statement. You stated they have done nothing since the time of the WW (regardless of if they stole the idea or not I have no idea and cannot comment).

What really have they done? Their CPU blocks are pretty much the same design as 5 years ago and their GPU solution is nothing revolutionary. Step back prior and their block was a lot like the Spir@l and TC-4.

IMHO the only smart thing they have done is lock in $$ for all Thermochill and Bitspower sales in the US.

[Whokidmo]

sorry darth, i've done 1 W/Cing build my entire life and i've been reading these forums silently for the past some 3 to 4 years... i must disagree... DD doesn't cater to enthusiasts at all... DD like many only companies now caters to mainstream... it's like DFI and asus... EK=DFI and asus=DD... they have begun there conversion to a business... I, like many others here, love having EK-eddy to talk to on the forums and be one of us... EK knew what a W/Cer needed in a reservoir and built it, his one of his... DD has become corporate... and also i even roasted EVGA blocks alittle and they still responded to my post... DD may have good quality and CS but like asus, they just dont understand us anymore... BTW i choose the GTX over thermochill anyday i also agree DD has been a BIG BIG pioneer in W/Cing i remember reading about them in a PC magazine and got so excited at W/Cing then which led to tomshardware, which led me to these forums...

bottom line, companies need to understand us and DD doesn't anymore, if they did they would post more reviews ,have CS on external forums, start innovating on what we want, and not whats easy to make and largest margins... one example... if they were on the forums would have been martins copper T-line or copper 90-degree fitting... that was a big hit and if they were on the forums they could have gotten it... hell even aqua-computers is on the forums... lol

last example... look at how successful petrastechshop is... because he was and is one of us... he knows what we want and need... hopefully he'll stay one of us

[NaeKuh]

They have not done anything since ripping Cathars WW design..... This GTX 280 is half baked at best.

Only exception is the Torture Rack which I really like!

:X

your wrong on so many levels. :X

I can name one block.

Ummm 6800 Koolsah. Ati's Koolsah.

DD actually pioneered Full Cover Blocks which all of XS goes oogle gaga over.
So whats this thing about nothing good comes out from DD?
Also my MPC Universal Chipset block would give any EK chipset block a good run for its money in restriction and performance.
Ask Martin. He's the one who recomended it to me.

What really have they done? Their CPU blocks are pretty much the same design as 5 years ago and their GPU solution is nothing revolutionary. Step back prior and their block was a lot like the Spir@l and TC-4.

IMHO the only smart thing they have done is lock in $$ for all Thermochill and Bitspower sales in the US.

Oh wait EK came after DD, in there FC blocks. SO if you wanna continue this, then EK and every other company RIPPED off DD.
In fact i cant think of a Company came b4 DD in full cover blocks.


Sorry im with DB on this one.
If your gonna bash a company, make sure you have proper proof to bash them.
I dont like there TDX's cuz they suck on a performance scale with others, but as for GPU's blocks, i think it will perform quite well.
Expecially cuz it looks close to the IONE, which looked like a good performer.

What is "Tieton" and how do I remove that name from the water block?

What's next? "Wonton" version ?

Only if they make it cresent moon shaped.

[sonofander]

after reading the last page of this thread, I'm not surprised they're not here on these forums... I don't know anyone who would willingly walk into a room full of people that have nothing but sh1tty things to say about them.

Seriously, DD products fill a service niche as do Eddy's. I don't belief either produces shoddy work. This thread started with a request for a backplate and turned into a DD flamefest! WTF guys?

Darthbeavis, I'm grateful for your presence here and your willingness to give DD a semi "presence" here on XS. They were where I ordered my first ever WC kit and those were the forums I started on. Since everything I know about wcing and most of what I know about pc building and ocing comes from these forums, I guess I could say I have DD to thank for where I'm at today...

Anyway, in terms of these blocks, EK or DD = fine for me. I have components from both companies in my rig ATM and both are top notch. I went with DD for these cards cause they were out NOW! Sometimes NOW is what's most important (I'm sure everyone here can relate)

Anyways, settle down guys. Create a more positive environment here and we might actually get to talk with Jeremy over here instead of having to relay messages through DB

*end rant*

Btw DB, where's my backplate???

[UObean]

I love how the focus has turned from discussing a product to defending a company. This is XS, not [H] or Anandtech or any of those other forums. The only thing that matters here is performance. Simply put, this new block from Danger Den isn't going to perform with cheap ramsinks like the ones provided. I have nothing against Danger Den, bought my last FC block from them. I just don't like what they did with this block. Its just that simple.

[DarthBeavis]

DD corporate? LOL. That is the most ill-informed statement yet . . .I don't care how long you have been 'lurking' . . .have you been to Danger Den? Do you know anyone from Danger Den? Come to a PDXLAN then tell me what you think. Do you think they do not know what Martin is up to? You are really showing that for all your lurking you don't know what is up . . .granted I have a bit of an inside track . . .and you probably believe what you are saying you just do not have all the details. Maybe you should try posting over at the DD forums so you can get a direct response . . .As I have said over and over . . .they do read what you post here. They are a business and have to make business decisions about what to make and not make. I am sure they do a much higher volume than EK does which means they do not have the machine time to make every little variation you want . . .although they are expanding their capabilities as they can. They are a small company contrary to popular belief.

[The[R]eaper]

i just recently bought my first DD product, The DD MPC universal chipset block for my DFI x38.
I gotta say the block is awesome looks good and cools very well. The craftsmenship seems top notch also.

@DarthBeavis hey does DD have a walk-in store i could go to? i don't live very far away from them, and it would really save on time and shipping.

On topic: anyways i like the black/smoked acrylic on the block looks damn nice. Sadly i wont be getting a GTX this time around or i'd prolly pick one of them up. Good Job DD

[Whokidmo]

DD corporate? LOL. That is the most ill-informed statement yet . . .I don't care how long you have been 'lurking' . . .have you been to Danger Den? Do you know anyone from Danger Den? Come to a PDXLAN then tell me what you think. Do you think they do not know what Martin is up to? You are really showing that for all your lurking you don't know what is up . . .granted I have a bit of an inside track . . .and you probably believe what you are saying you just do not have all the details. Maybe you should try posting over at the DD forums so you can get a direct response . . .As I have said over and over . . .they do read what you post here. They are a business and have to make business decisions about what to make and not make. I am sure they do a much higher volume than EK does which means they do not have the machine time to make every little variation you want . . .although they are expanding their capabilities as they can. They are a small company contrary to popular belief.

did you even read what i was saying? you disproved none of my analogies or examples... you make the weakest argument based on thin air...

o well DD throws lan parties with there employees and gamers that makes them sooooo connected to our community right? or omg they know what martin is doing... your logic doesn't make sense just because they know doesn't make them a better company... if anything it makes them a worse company for ignoring the voice of their customers... they need to integrate the customers feedback... for example maybe some better performance numbers? or better idea how about they make a BETTER aluminum res better than XSPCs... just throwing some ideas... maybe more powerful pumps like iwaki but can connect to PSU... im a lurker... i agree and im speaking form the customer side... but im at least being somewhat objective about it using real examples not just attacking you... i love it when someones argument goes bad and they respond with answers like "why do you like to argue" or "are you retarded"

i'd like to point out another example, look at the TC rads... they are pretty popular among our market segment correct? good temps, quite, durable, etc. well if you notice many companies, PCCs, PTS, etc. have started catering to TC rads even though GTX has much better supply... thats the invisible hand of the market at work... DD has another invisible hand... the mainstream market... it's a business choice... i respect that...

DD is a fairly decent company... better then the money hungry Nvidia or other computer companies out there but they just aren't correct for the market segment we are in, i wish them the best and i hope they keep driving the W/Cing market to mainstream... better them then TT or coolermaster or Coolit...

last thing... im not flaming on any company... i considered DD many times for many different parts... they somewhat made some wrong decisions on this product according to me and UObean... and well i take it a step further and say they made some other mistakes and therefore would not be a good company for my future builds, not off topic at all...

please address my present and previous argument... not me or my status or my experience, etc thank you... appreciate it... were all adults here right???

[DarthBeavis]

did you even read what i was saying? you disproved none of my analogies or examples... you make the weakest argument based on thin air...

o well DD throws lan parties with there employees and gamers that makes them sooooo connected to our community right? or omg they know what martin is doing... your logic doesn't make sense just because they know doesn't make them a better company... if anything it makes them a worse company for ignoring the voice of their customers... they need to integrate the customers feedback... for example maybe some better performance numbers? or better idea how about they make a BETTER aluminum res better than XSPCs... just throwing some ideas... maybe more powerful pumps like iwaki but can connect to PSU... im a lurker... i agree and im speaking form the customer side... but im at least being somewhat objective about it using real examples not just attacking you... i love it when someones argument goes bad and they respond with answers like "why do you like to argue" or "are you retarded"

i'd like to point out another example, look at the TC rads... they are pretty popular among our market segment correct? good temps, quite, durable, etc. well if you notice many companies, PCCs, PTS, etc. have started catering to TC rads even though GTX has much better supply... thats the invisible hand of the market at work... DD has another invisible hand... the mainstream market... it's a business choice... i respect that...

DD is a fairly decent company... better then the money hungry Nvidia or other computer companies out there but they just aren't correct for the market segment we are in, i wish them the best and i hope they keep driving the W/Cing market to mainstream... better them then TT or coolermaster or Coolit...

last thing... im not flaming on any company... i considered DD many times for many different parts... they somewhat made some wrong decisions on this product according to me and UObean... and well i take it a step further and say they made some other mistakes and therefore would not be a good company for my future builds, not off topic at all...

please address my present and previous argument... not me or my status or my experience, etc thank you... appreciate it... were all adults here right???

I am so glad you brought up the TC issue . . .as you have no idea what is even going on with TC. Thermochill rads did not sell for crap. Period. Did people want them? Sure. Why did they not sell many? Because TC did not produce many . . .Danger Den did not hoard them then distributed them . . .I have been at Danger Den many times and always notice their TC shelf either empty or almost empty. Now if you look at the sales volumes (ask PPC, FrozenCPU, etc to verify this as well) you will surely find Black Ice dominates this market. Now go look at Martin's tests and you will see this is justified by performance, price, and availability. I will fully admit the PERCEPTION is TC rads are better (I bought into that myself for quite a while) just as the PERCEPTION here is that DD is a corporate sellout who used to cater to the enthusiast and now they are catering to the Hana Montana crowd . . My point is that you clearly do not know what they think or what their intentions are . . .they are at tons of LANS trying to get to know their customers first hand . . .they are trying to push water-cooling out to more people such as being the first decent hardware available at a brick and mortar store like Frys. They also have pushed into complimentary segments like cases so we, as consumers, have some better choices that boring ass metal towers.

Their biggest fault seems to be the lack of communicate on external forums because this allows all this misinformation to occur and really it seems almost every person who has problems with them really is upset at the feeling they are not being listened to and have no contact with DD (hence the 'corporate' or 'sell out' tag).

I am not at all saying Danger Den could not do some cool stuff like refreshing their lineup if that is what you all want.


I brought up Martin because they provide him with whatever he asks for to test out without putting any strings on him just so our community can have access to unbiased test results regardless of whose products come out. I think instead of you bashing DD in that regard you should thank them. Martin sure does.

The funny thing is the guys from Danger Den would come here to other forums in a heatbeat . . .if this constant flaming and attacking did not take place. I am not saying you in particular are flaming but if you read through threads you will see what I am talking about (like saying they have not done anything since stealing someone's waterblock design).

[IanY]

DarthBeavis,

I don't know much about water blocks. I just know how to deploy them. DD has the expertise, and I leave it up to them to come out with the most innovative and kick ass product. What do I want? I want them to take the performance crown convincingly. I want them to rip D-Tek and EK new ones, and smack the rest of the industry at the back of the head.

Just release the best performing water blocks, bar none, and they are guaranteed to have my business. Once upon a time, they did have the best water block...

[Whokidmo]

I am so glad you brought up the TC issue . . .as you have no idea what is even going on with TC. Thermochill rads did not sell for crap. Period. Did people want them? Sure. Why did they not sell many? Because TC did not produce many . . .Danger Den did not hoard them then distributed them . . .I have been at Danger Den many times and always notice their TC shelf either empty or almost empty. Now if you look at the sales volumes (ask PPC, FrozenCPU, etc to verify this as well) you will surely find Black Ice dominates this market. Now go look at Martin's tests and you will see this is justified by performance, price, and availability. I will fully admit the PERCEPTION is TC rads are better (I bought into that myself for quite a while) just as the PERCEPTION here is that DD is a corporate sellout who used to cater to the enthusiast and now they are catering to the Hana Montana crowd . . My point is that you clearly do not know what they think or what their intentions are . . .they are at tons of LANS trying to get to know their customers first hand . . .they are trying to push water-cooling out to more people such as being the first decent hardware available at a brick and mortar store like Frys. They also have pushed into complimentary segments like cases so we, as consumers, have some better choices that boring ass metal towers.

Their biggest fault seems to be the lack of communicate on external forums because this allows all this misinformation to occur and really it seems almost every person who has problems with them really is upset at the feeling they are not being listened to and have no contact with DD (hence the 'corporate' or 'sell out' tag).

I am not at all saying Danger Den could not do some cool stuff like refreshing their lineup if that is what you all want.


I brought up Martin because they provide him with whatever he asks for to test out without putting any strings on him just so our community can have access to unbiased test results regardless of whose products come out. I think instead of you bashing DD in that regard you should thank them. Martin sure does.

The funny thing is the guys from Danger Den would come here to other forums in a heatbeat . . .if this constant flaming and attacking did not take place. I am not saying you in particular are flaming but if you read through threads you will see what I am talking about (like saying they have not done anything since stealing someone's waterblock design).

ok, so heres my question... if DD caters to our market, provides martin with test samples etc... why aren't they designing products that beat EK(such as no back plate on GTX280 block or temps) and CPU blocks such as D-tek fusion??? I mean UObean was right, forget the company forget the market, wheres the preformance? i dont get how a big company like DD with the money, labor, and resources cannot beat a small company like EK? or a new comer like D-tek? i would jump all over DD if they had the most quantities AND best products... but instead i have to wait an extra 4 weeks or so for EK blocks which im willing to do... thats what i mean by unconnected... almost same prices but not same performance why?

[n00b 0f l337]

DarthBeavis,

I don't know much about water blocks. I just know how to deploy them. DD has the expertise, and I leave it up to them to come out with the most innovative and kick ass product. What do I want? I want them to take the performance crown convincingly. I want them to rip D-Tek and EK new ones, and smack the rest of the industry at the back of the head.

Just release the best performing water blocks, bar none, and they are guaranteed to have my business. Once upon a time, they did have the best water block...

One thing to look at though is, what does a 1-2C difference get you? What does even 5C get you? It's really almost nothing if anything. Thus are there prices and quality not good enough to satisfy

[DarthBeavis]

DarthBeavis,

I don't know much about water blocks. I just know how to deploy them. DD has the expertise, and I leave it up to them to come out with the most innovative and kick ass product. What do I want? I want them to take the performance crown convincingly. I want them to rip D-Tek and EK new ones, and smack the rest of the industry at the back of the head.

Just release the best performing water blocks, bar none, and they are guaranteed to have my business. Once upon a time, they did have the best water block...

Test results showing more than and 1 or 2 c delta would be good to take to Danger Den as a justification for a new design. The only results I remember seeing are flow tests done by Martin that show the MC-TDX was top (or close). Bring the evidence and I will present it to them (tho they will read it without my being involved I will just let you know they listened).

[DarthBeavis]

One thing to look at though is, what does a 1-2C difference get you? What does even 5C get you? It's really almost nothing if anything. Thus are there prices and quality not good enough to satisfy

I have argued the same thing but most of the guys here probably have never cooled a rig with a phase unit to realize how futile a few degrees are in cooling . . .busting your butt to drop your temps a few degrees is silly when you can drop them 40 degrees at a minimum for not much more hassle . . .

EK and DD blocks are pretty much about the same price and build quality . . .I think DD uses thicker acrylic for their tops . . .don't really see one over the other in this regard . . .both are kick ass companies. . .

[disruptfam]

In my honest opinion i think eddie (ek) spoils us,We ask We Receive

Most Seem to flame DD's design choice's, but according to martin's test DD for the most part has the best free flowing blocks.

[IanY]

I have argued the same thing but most of the guys here probably have never cooled a rig with a phase unit to realize how futile a few degrees are in cooling . . .busting your butt to drop your temps a few degrees is silly when you can drop them 40 degrees at a minimum for not much more hassle . . .

EK and DD blocks are pretty much about the same price and build quality . . .I think DD uses thicker acrylic for their tops . . .don't really see one over the other in this regard . . .both are kick ass companies. . .

I had a phase of yester-year. I disliked it because it was a true hassle In any event, my sole differentiating factor among the different brands is their ability to wick away heat.

Indeed, EK and DD produce compelling products, so what's the controversy all about? You don't think EK gets enough flack?