Page 10 of 63 FirstFirst ... 789101112132060 ... LastLast
Results 226 to 250 of 1572

Thread: Nehalem-EP......BLOOMFIELD

  1. #226
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Vancouver
    Posts
    1,073
    Quote Originally Posted by Drwho? View Post
    nop!
    You can t compromise the safety of a platform for the good of the OC community... Make sense, no?

    who?
    I m confused about two things. You speak from the proverbial "we" when you talk from intel. Are you part of intel... or do you speak for them?

    Secondly, criticizing overdrive, in that it could be a virus... is pretty ridiculous logic. We better take down riva tuner, because someone might over clock our gfx and melt them.. or lock all hardware because they may make our harddrives spin so fast they melt...
    but the AOD being a tool for virus.. what would happen.. change the multi to 200, and it wouldnt boot. And all that would happen is you would reset, and go into bios and put it back to default , if it didnt do it already... So i don't really follow that logic. How nehalem is a Safer chip...
    " Business is Binary, your either a 1 or a 0, alive or dead." - Gary Winston ^^



    Asus rampage III formula,i7 980xm, H70, Silverstone Ft02, Gigabyte Windforce 580 GTX SLI, Corsair AX1200, intel x-25m 160gb, 2 x OCZ vertex 2 180gb, hp zr30w, 12gb corsair vengeance

    Rig 2
    i7 980x ,h70, Antec Lanboy Air, Samsung md230x3 ,Saphhire 6970 Xfired, Antec ax1200w, x-25m 160gb, 2 x OCZ vertex 2 180gb,12gb Corsair Vengence MSI Big Bang Xpower

  2. #227
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Thessaloniki, Greece
    Posts
    1,307
    Quote Originally Posted by villa1n View Post
    I m confused about two things. You speak from the proverbial "we" when you talk from intel. Are you part of intel... or do you speak for them?
    He works for Intel.
    Seems we made our greatest error when we named it at the start
    for though we called it "Human Nature" - it was cancer of the heart
    CPU: AMD X3 720BE@ 3,4Ghz
    Cooler: Xigmatek S1283(Terrible mounting system for AM2/3)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte 790FXT-UD5P(F4) RAM: 2x 2GB OCZ DDR3 1600Mhz Gold 8-8-8-24
    GPU:HD5850 1GB
    PSU: Seasonic M12D 750W Case: Coolermaster HAF932(aka Dusty )

  3. #228
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Vancouver
    Posts
    1,073
    Quote Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR View Post
    He works for Intel.
    in what capacity... as that virus comment... demonstrates little understanding of cpu clocking..
    " Business is Binary, your either a 1 or a 0, alive or dead." - Gary Winston ^^



    Asus rampage III formula,i7 980xm, H70, Silverstone Ft02, Gigabyte Windforce 580 GTX SLI, Corsair AX1200, intel x-25m 160gb, 2 x OCZ vertex 2 180gb, hp zr30w, 12gb corsair vengeance

    Rig 2
    i7 980x ,h70, Antec Lanboy Air, Samsung md230x3 ,Saphhire 6970 Xfired, Antec ax1200w, x-25m 160gb, 2 x OCZ vertex 2 180gb,12gb Corsair Vengence MSI Big Bang Xpower

  4. #229
    Xtreme Enthusiast
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    912
    Quote Originally Posted by Drwho? View Post
    now, think about the concequences of allowing the change of frequency under windows ... a "bad" hacker can find it funny to modify the multipliers to 200x ... what happen then ... The best Virus ever?

    That is a cool but deadly feature

    Just some of my personal thinking ...

    who?
    Well, if that's the case.. Then any software overclocking tool ought to be buried.

    I'm just talking about in general, whether changeable in BIOS or otherwise.

  5. #230
    I am Xtreme
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Little Rock
    Posts
    7,204
    Quote Originally Posted by villa1n View Post
    in what capacity... as that virus comment... demonstrates little understanding of cpu clocking..
    IMHO it is unlikely as well. Be warned though, not impossible. The hack he's talking is while the computer is running, not while it is shut down.

  6. #231
    I am Xtreme
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Little Rock
    Posts
    7,204
    Quote Originally Posted by bowman View Post
    Well, if that's the case.. Then any software overclocking tool ought to be buried.

    I'm just talking about in general, whether changeable in BIOS or otherwise.
    I have mine on my Gigabyte disabled. My Foxconn has one that runs in Auto-mode better than the one on my old ABit.
    Last edited by Donnie27; 06-22-2008 at 09:27 PM.

  7. #232
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Thessaloniki, Greece
    Posts
    1,307
    Quote Originally Posted by Donnie27 View Post
    IMHO it is unlikely as well. Be warned though, not impossible. The hack he's talking is while the computer is running, not while it is shut down.
    You could do the same with any bus on the system though. And i dont think anything worse than a hard lockup is likely to happen in either case anyway
    Seems we made our greatest error when we named it at the start
    for though we called it "Human Nature" - it was cancer of the heart
    CPU: AMD X3 720BE@ 3,4Ghz
    Cooler: Xigmatek S1283(Terrible mounting system for AM2/3)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte 790FXT-UD5P(F4) RAM: 2x 2GB OCZ DDR3 1600Mhz Gold 8-8-8-24
    GPU:HD5850 1GB
    PSU: Seasonic M12D 750W Case: Coolermaster HAF932(aka Dusty )

  8. #233
    I am Xtreme
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Little Rock
    Posts
    7,204
    Quote Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR View Post
    You could do the same with any bus on the system though. And i dont think anything worse than a hard lockup is likely to happen in either case anyway
    True!

  9. #234
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Vancouver
    Posts
    1,073
    Quote Originally Posted by Donnie27 View Post
    IMHO it is unlikely as well. Be warned though, not impossible. The hack he's talking is while the computer is running, not while it is shut down.
    Oh, I dont think it isnt possible, I mean you could theoretically pull off that hack, background launch the app, and change the multi's.. but he s saying that a x200 multi would kill the computer.. and i just don't see how. Maybe if you could change the voltage, and also disable all the safegaurds, but computer would just powerdown before that happened, and reset in bios. So i dont see how that is the most dangerous virus ever, or what the point of it would be. There are many more effective ways to disable a computer. And the advantages to having cores being clocked that way far outweigh that disadvantage, I know for myself, i sure wish i could clock my cores with a tool like that but i digress.
    " Business is Binary, your either a 1 or a 0, alive or dead." - Gary Winston ^^



    Asus rampage III formula,i7 980xm, H70, Silverstone Ft02, Gigabyte Windforce 580 GTX SLI, Corsair AX1200, intel x-25m 160gb, 2 x OCZ vertex 2 180gb, hp zr30w, 12gb corsair vengeance

    Rig 2
    i7 980x ,h70, Antec Lanboy Air, Samsung md230x3 ,Saphhire 6970 Xfired, Antec ax1200w, x-25m 160gb, 2 x OCZ vertex 2 180gb,12gb Corsair Vengence MSI Big Bang Xpower

  10. #235
    I am Xtreme
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Little Rock
    Posts
    7,204
    Quote Originally Posted by villa1n View Post
    Oh, I dont think it isnt possible, I mean you could theoretically pull off that hack, background launch the app, and change the multi's.. but he s saying that a x200 multi would kill the computer.. and i just don't see how. Maybe if you could change the voltage, and also disable all the safegaurds, but computer would just powerdown before that happened, and reset in bios. So i dont see how that is the most dangerous virus ever, or what the point of it would be. There are many more effective ways to disable a computer. And the advantages to having cores being clocked that way far outweigh that disadvantage, I know for myself, i sure wish i could clock my cores with a tool like that but i digress.
    Again, true. Sure the X200 is unrealistic but I don't he meant X200 literally. As was already said and I agreed with the computer would lock up or even reboot if nothing else.

  11. #236
    I am Xtreme FlanK3r's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Czech republic
    Posts
    6,823
    Quote Originally Posted by metro.cl View Post
    Those Wprime benchs are really impresive, compare to a QX9650 below:


    So your 2.93GHz (with dual channel?), beat my result at 4.2GHz with Dual Channel (by a fair margin)



    this Nehalem is going to be a monster in multi-threaded apps even if it only does 3.6GHz on air.
    wprime is good benchmark for multicores CPUs.
    watch here:
    http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...24&articID=809

    Last edited by FlanK3r; 06-22-2008 at 12:29 PM.
    ROG Power PCs - Intel and AMD
    CPUs:i9-7900X, i9-9900K, i7-6950X, i7-5960X, i7-8086K, i7-8700K, 4x i7-7700K, i3-7350K, 2x i7-6700K, i5-6600K, R7-2700X, 4x R5 2600X, R5 2400G, R3 1200, R7-1800X, R7-1700X, 3x AMD FX-9590, 1x AMD FX-9370, 4x AMD FX-8350,1x AMD FX-8320,1x AMD FX-8300, 2x AMD FX-6300,2x AMD FX-4300, 3x AMD FX-8150, 2x AMD FX-8120 125 and 95W, AMD X2 555 BE, AMD x4 965 BE C2 and C3, AMD X4 970 BE, AMD x4 975 BE, AMD x4 980 BE, AMD X6 1090T BE, AMD X6 1100T BE, A10-7870K, Athlon 845, Athlon 860K,AMD A10-7850K, AMD A10-6800K, A8-6600K, 2x AMD A10-5800K, AMD A10-5600K, AMD A8-3850, AMD A8-3870K, 2x AMD A64 3000+, AMD 64+ X2 4600+ EE, Intel i7-980X, Intel i7-2600K, Intel i7-3770K,2x i7-4770K, Intel i7-3930KAMD Cinebench R10 challenge AMD Cinebench R15 thread Intel Cinebench R15 thread

  12. #237
    Xtreme Enthusiast
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    772
    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    You bring the chips, I'll find the boards..
    You find me a WORKING board that can boot these, to keep, and I'll give you one.

    No joke.

  13. #238
    Xtreme Mentor
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Spain, EU
    Posts
    2,949
    Quote Originally Posted by mstp2009 View Post
    You find me a WORKING board that can boot these, to keep, and I'll give you one.

    No joke.
    Nice deal I must say
    Friends shouldn't let friends use Windows 7 until Microsoft fixes Windows Explorer (link)


    Quote Originally Posted by PerryR, on John Fruehe (JF-AMD) View Post
    Pretty much. Plus, he's here voluntarily.

  14. #239
    Live Long And Overclock
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    14,058
    Quote Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR View Post
    Nice deal I must say
    You might want to change your sig, I think we have members from Italy here

    So who wants to guess how much the X58 Asus Maximus will be

    Perkam

  15. #240
    Xtreme Mentor
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Spain, EU
    Posts
    2,949
    Quote Originally Posted by perkam View Post
    You might want to change your sig, I think we have members from Italy here
    Mmm, I don't care?
    Friends shouldn't let friends use Windows 7 until Microsoft fixes Windows Explorer (link)


    Quote Originally Posted by PerryR, on John Fruehe (JF-AMD) View Post
    Pretty much. Plus, he's here voluntarily.

  16. #241
    I am Xtreme
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Austria
    Posts
    5,485
    Quote Originally Posted by perkam View Post
    You might want to change your sig, I think we have members from Italy here

    So who wants to guess how much the X58 Asus Maximus will be

    Perkam
    dont worry next game he will see plenty pics of russians.


    hmm i dont think X58 will cost more then current top of the line enthusiast mobos.

    250-300€ max. (maybe some über limited special editions will go beyond the 300/350€ mark)
    Last edited by Hornet331; 06-22-2008 at 02:21 PM.

  17. #242
    Xtreme Enthusiast
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    912
    Quote Originally Posted by perkam View Post
    You might want to change your sig, I think we have members from Italy here

    So who wants to guess how much the X58 Asus Maximus will be

    Perkam
    And how many diddly bobs will it have? Maybe it will come with an add-in soundcard the size of an 8800GTX and a glow-in-the-dark bobbing head doll on the northbridge cooler.

    I want something simple and clean this time.. I'm tired of all these ultra-expensive 'enthusiast' boards that really offer little but trinkets. What happened to affordable boards crammed with actual useful features?

  18. #243
    Xtreme Enthusiast
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    668
    Quote Originally Posted by bowman View Post
    And how many diddly bobs will it have? Maybe it will come with an add-in soundcard the size of an 8800GTX and a glow-in-the-dark bobbing head doll on the northbridge cooler.

    I want something simple and clean this time.. I'm tired of all these ultra-expensive 'enthusiast' boards that really offer little but trinkets. What happened to affordable boards crammed with actual useful features?
    They are extinct
    Proud owner of an iPhone3G 16G White




    SpiTweaker by Monteboy,try it

  19. #244
    V3 Xeons coming soon!
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    New Hampshire
    Posts
    36,363
    Quote Originally Posted by mstp2009 View Post
    You find me a WORKING board that can boot these, to keep, and I'll give you one.

    No joke.
    Let me see what I can do..
    Crunch with us, the XS WCG team
    The XS WCG team needs your support.
    A good project with good goals.
    Come join us,get that warm fuzzy feeling that you've done something good for mankind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frisch View Post
    If you have lost faith in humanity, then hold a newborn in your hands.

  20. #245
    Xtreme Enthusiast
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    816

    Exclamation

    Quote Originally Posted by villa1n View Post
    in what capacity... as that virus comment... demonstrates little understanding of cpu clocking..
    well, this is a risk to take ... I am not ready to take this risk.
    you see that from a OC point of view. with this feature enable, you are 10 lines of code away from freezing. You may dissagree on use of this API hook, but I totally dissagree when somebody write a virus, it does not stop them from doing it ... grrrrrrrr

    I am looking at ways to do it safely, like a push button has to be pushed to make the hardware change its ratio via software. When you have an product like Core 2, you don t want to expose yourself to one hacker in his garage, do you understand my point?

    It is not showing "little understanding" to put priority into safety.

    I am the extreme guy, i try my best to find compromise, I just can't give a loaded gun to a hacker ...

    Please see the big picture, it make sense!

    Francois Alias who?
    To answer an other post, I always speak for myself here, not for intel.

  21. #246
    V3 Xeons coming soon!
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    New Hampshire
    Posts
    36,363
    Quote Originally Posted by Drwho? View Post
    well, this is a risk to take ... I am not ready to take this risk.
    you see that from a OC point of view. with this feature enable, you are 10 lines of code away from freezing. You may dissagree on use of this API hook, but I totally dissagree when somebody write a virus, it does not stop them from doing it ... grrrrrrrr

    I am looking at ways to do it safely, like a push button has to be pushed to make the hardware change its ratio via software. When you have an product like Core 2, you don t want to expose yourself to one hacker in his garage, do you understand my point?

    It is not showing "little understanding" to put priority into safety.

    I am the extreme guy, i try my best to find compromise, I just can't give a loaded gun to a hacker ...

    Please see the big picture, it make sense!

    Francois Alias who?
    To answer an other post, I always speak for myself here, not for intel.
    I think what you have to understand here at Xs is that there are many personalities and ways of seeing things.
    People will ask you questions that for different reasons you may not be able to answer.
    I think the best way to deal with those is to just say "I'm sorry but I can't answer that at this time" and people then understand to drop the point.
    I have friends that work for Intel that I ask questions of but I have set it up with them that if I ask a question that would put them in an uncomfortable position to just say " I can't go there"
    No one's feelings are hurt and the friendships continue.
    I know I don't take it personally.
    The only time you get a bad feeling is when someone answers you with an evasion. Better to be honest and say "sorry, but I can't" and let it die there.

    Now, where's the pics of a dual socket Nehalem working at 4000mhz?
    C'mon, I know you got one..
    Crunch with us, the XS WCG team
    The XS WCG team needs your support.
    A good project with good goals.
    Come join us,get that warm fuzzy feeling that you've done something good for mankind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frisch View Post
    If you have lost faith in humanity, then hold a newborn in your hands.

  22. #247
    Xtreme Enthusiast
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    816
    Can't be as bad as the AMDZone posting .... hehehehe

    Francois

  23. #248
    V3 Xeons coming soon!
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    New Hampshire
    Posts
    36,363
    Quote Originally Posted by Drwho? View Post
    Can't be as bad as the AMDZone posting .... hehehehe

    Francois
    No, here you get Xtreme Curiousity, there it's Xtreme Whining..
    Crunch with us, the XS WCG team
    The XS WCG team needs your support.
    A good project with good goals.
    Come join us,get that warm fuzzy feeling that you've done something good for mankind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frisch View Post
    If you have lost faith in humanity, then hold a newborn in your hands.

  24. #249
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Vancouver
    Posts
    1,073
    Quote Originally Posted by Drwho? View Post
    well, this is a risk to take ... I am not ready to take this risk.
    you see that from a OC point of view. with this feature enable, you are 10 lines of code away from freezing. You may dissagree on use of this API hook, but I totally dissagree when somebody write a virus, it does not stop them from doing it ... grrrrrrrr

    I am looking at ways to do it safely, like a push button has to be pushed to make the hardware change its ratio via software. When you have an product like Core 2, you don t want to expose yourself to one hacker in his garage, do you understand my point?

    It is not showing "little understanding" to put priority into safety.

    I am the extreme guy, i try my best to find compromise, I just can't give a loaded gun to a hacker ...

    Please see the big picture, it make sense!

    Francois Alias who?
    To answer an other post, I always speak for myself here, not for intel.
    I understand what your saying its a vulnerability for an exploit that could, cause a system halt. But so would any tuning software, riva tuner for gfx etc...as well, like BrowncoatGR said, the same could be done by altering FSB. And 10 lines of code can just as easily block it, if someone were to create that malicious code, as well, the OS is more a vulnerability, than that. A virus that shut down the comp, would be annoying yes, but easily detectable, and not sure on the bio's but could easily be blocked by adding some bios code, to block that function, if it were to happen, simple on off switch in the bios. The advantages to clocking systems in that way, is useful, especially for the average user, and for system boosts. I use intel currently and with nehalem approaching, will most likely continue to do so, but if nehalem had this feature would i complain..not on your life, that would be amazing. A cpu the tests its max stability, then dynamicly changes multis based on load would be amazing.
    Again, i understand the vulnerability, and I was ahead of myself in questioning your knowledge, Je suis désolé.
    But with a million exploits out there, and the main motivation since the advent of mainstream internet use being, to make money, not havok, I see this as a very very low threat vulnerability, verses, lets say, the good ol backdoor days ^^
    " Business is Binary, your either a 1 or a 0, alive or dead." - Gary Winston ^^



    Asus rampage III formula,i7 980xm, H70, Silverstone Ft02, Gigabyte Windforce 580 GTX SLI, Corsair AX1200, intel x-25m 160gb, 2 x OCZ vertex 2 180gb, hp zr30w, 12gb corsair vengeance

    Rig 2
    i7 980x ,h70, Antec Lanboy Air, Samsung md230x3 ,Saphhire 6970 Xfired, Antec ax1200w, x-25m 160gb, 2 x OCZ vertex 2 180gb,12gb Corsair Vengence MSI Big Bang Xpower

  25. #250
    Xtreme Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    www.overclockers.com.au
    Posts
    258
    Quote Originally Posted by perkam View Post
    You might want to change your sig, I think we have members from Italy here
    Do you dare do that!! That pic is beatiful plus revenge is sweet - Buffon from hero to villan!

Page 10 of 63 FirstFirst ... 789101112132060 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •