nop!
You can t compromise the safety of a platform for the good of the OC community... Make sense, no?
who?
nop!
You can t compromise the safety of a platform for the good of the OC community... Make sense, no?
who?
Last edited by Drwho?; 06-22-2008 at 09:28 AM.
I m confused about two things. You speak from the proverbial "we" when you talk from intel. Are you part of intel... or do you speak for them?Originally Posted by Drwho?
Secondly, criticizing overdrive, in that it could be a virus... is pretty ridiculous logic. We better take down riva tuner, because someone might over clock our gfx and melt them.. or lock all hardware because they may make our harddrives spin so fast they melt...
but the AOD being a tool for virus.. what would happen.. change the multi to 200, and it wouldnt boot. And all that would happen is you would reset, and go into bios and put it back to default , if it didnt do it already... So i don't really follow that logic. How nehalem is a Safer chip...
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He works for Intel.
Seems we made our greatest error when we named it at the start
for though we called it "Human Nature" - it was cancer of the heart
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in what capacity... as that virus comment... demonstrates little understanding of cpu clocking..
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IMHO it is unlikely as well. Be warned though, not impossible. The hack he's talking is while the computer is running, not while it is shut down.
You could do the same with any bus on the system though. And i dont think anything worse than a hard lockup is likely to happen in either case anyway
Seems we made our greatest error when we named it at the start
for though we called it "Human Nature" - it was cancer of the heart
CPU: AMD X3 720BE@ 3,4Ghz
Cooler: Xigmatek S1283(Terrible mounting system for AM2/3)
Motherboard: Gigabyte 790FXT-UD5P(F4) RAM: 2x 2GB OCZ DDR3 1600Mhz Gold 8-8-8-24
GPU:HD5850 1GB
PSU: Seasonic M12D 750W Case: Coolermaster HAF932(aka Dusty
True!
Oh, I dont think it isnt possible, I mean you could theoretically pull off that hack, background launch the app, and change the multi's.. but he s saying that a x200 multi would kill the computer.. and i just don't see how. Maybe if you could change the voltage, and also disable all the safegaurds, but computer would just powerdown before that happened, and reset in bios. So i dont see how that is the most dangerous virus ever, or what the point of it would be. There are many more effective ways to disable a computer. And the advantages to having cores being clocked that way far outweigh that disadvantage, I know for myself, i sure wish i could clock my cores with a tool like thatbut i digress.
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Again, true. Sure the X200 is unrealistic but I don't he meant X200 literally. As was already said and I agreed with the computer would lock up or even reboot if nothing else.Oh, I dont think it isnt possible, I mean you could theoretically pull off that hack, background launch the app, and change the multi's.. but he s saying that a x200 multi would kill the computer.. and i just don't see how. Maybe if you could change the voltage, and also disable all the safegaurds, but computer would just powerdown before that happened, and reset in bios. So i dont see how that is the most dangerous virus ever, or what the point of it would be. There are many more effective ways to disable a computer. And the advantages to having cores being clocked that way far outweigh that disadvantage, I know for myself, i sure wish i could clock my cores with a tool like that
well, this is a risk to take ... I am not ready to take this risk.
you see that from a OC point of view. with this feature enable, you are 10 lines of code away from freezing. You may dissagree on use of this API hook, but I totally dissagree when somebody write a virus, it does not stop them from doing it ... grrrrrrrr
I am looking at ways to do it safely, like a push button has to be pushed to make the hardware change its ratio via software. When you have an product like Core 2, you don t want to expose yourself to one hacker in his garage, do you understand my point?
It is not showing "little understanding" to put priority into safety.
I am the extreme guy, i try my best to find compromise, I just can't give a loaded gun to a hacker ...
Please see the big picture, it make sense!
Francois Alias who?
To answer an other post, I always speak for myself here, not for intel.
I think what you have to understand here at Xs is that there are many personalities and ways of seeing things.
People will ask you questions that for different reasons you may not be able to answer.
I think the best way to deal with those is to just say "I'm sorry but I can't answer that at this time" and people then understand to drop the point.
I have friends that work for Intel that I ask questions of but I have set it up with them that if I ask a question that would put them in an uncomfortable position to just say " I can't go there"
No one's feelings are hurt and the friendships continue.
I know I don't take it personally.
The only time you get a bad feeling is when someone answers you with an evasion. Better to be honest and say "sorry, but I can't" and let it die there.
Now, where's the pics of a dual socket Nehalem working at 4000mhz?
C'mon, I know you got one..
Crunch with us, the XS WCG team
The XS WCG team needs your support.
A good project with good goals.
Come join us,get that warm fuzzy feeling that you've done something good for mankind.
I understand what your saying its a vulnerability for an exploit that could, cause a system halt. But so would any tuning software, riva tuner for gfx etc...as well, like BrowncoatGR said, the same could be done by altering FSB. And 10 lines of code can just as easily block it, if someone were to create that malicious code, as well, the OS is more a vulnerability, than that. A virus that shut down the comp, would be annoying yes, but easily detectable, and not sure on the bio's but could easily be blocked by adding some bios code, to block that function, if it were to happen, simple on off switch in the bios. The advantages to clocking systems in that way, is useful, especially for the average user, and for system boosts. I use intel currently and with nehalem approaching, will most likely continue to do so, but if nehalem had this feature would i complain..not on your life, that would be amazing. A cpu the tests its max stability, then dynamicly changes multis based on load would be amazing.
Again, i understand the vulnerability, and I was ahead of myself in questioning your knowledge, Je suis désolé.
But with a million exploits out there, and the main motivation since the advent of mainstream internet use being, to make money, not havok, I see this as a very very low threat vulnerability, verses, lets say, the good ol backdoor days ^^
" Business is Binary, your either a 1 or a 0, alive or dead." - Gary Winston ^^
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Actually, you appear to have dodged the question posed with an alarmist diversion. Classic The_Ghost rebuttle 101...
(Too caustic?)
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