ATI Radeon HD 4000 Series discussion

[Macadamia]

[ATI's. I've been saying that since the first 3DMark 06 scores came- with the proper, perhaps normal Vantage scores ]

Believe me, if they wanted to kill the 3870X2, they would have given all kinds of magic to the 8800GTSes and 9800GTXes. The "new" driver is just a by-product of GT200 optimization- and some EXTRA features in G92 that's not present in G80, I guess. It's now all about GT200 anyway though, since the 9800GX2 is EOL.

[Xello]

the 9800GX2 is EOL.

Is that 100% confirmed now? I read it a while ago, on fudzilla or something though.

[Stuen4y]

[ATI's. I've been saying that since the first 3DMark 06 scores came- with the proper, perhaps normal Vantage scores ]

Believe me, if they wanted to kill the 3870X2, they would have given all kinds of magic to the 8800GTSes and 9800GTXes. The "new" driver is just a by-product of GT200 optimization- and some EXTRA features in G92 that's not present in G80, I guess. It's now all about GT200 anyway though, since the 9800GX2 is EOL.

Are you talking about synthetic tests or about games, cause I believe they can bring out "magic 3D mark edition" driver and cut the image that goes on the monitor, but who cares when the scores are higher...

[bill_d]

so another magical [IQ cheat ] driver incoming

[w0mbat]

Nope, this fake. GPU-z can't properly read 4x00 series.

BS! Its no fake. Why do u call it a fake? Of cause GPU-Z can properly read HD4800 series.

Man, that "fake, fake, fake" is just so annoying

[Luka_Aveiro]

BS! Its no fake. Why do u call it a fake? Of cause GPU-Z can properly read HD4800 series.

Man, that "fake, fake, fake" is just so annoying

If it can read properly, why does it show 57GB/s bandwidth? And why is the card named HD4800 series and not HD4870?

I assume that's really an HD4870, but GPU-Z does not read it properly, it will, but it doesn't

[w0mbat]

It just detects the 900MHz GDDR5 basic clk, and so i calculates the bandwidth w/ these 900MHz. Thats the only thing wrong, but this is the first GDDR5 card and so its no big deal. GDDR5 = 4x900MHz.

[junkmonk]

Although the HD4850 and HD4850 CF Benchies are really sweet to look at, i saw a benchmark in mascaras thread where he compared a single 4850 to a 9800 gtx, and it lost by a bit.

The 4850s @ $199 each CF make $399 approx
if one performs worse than the 9800 gtx, isn't it assumable that the 9800gx2 will beat 4850s in CF

The 9800GX2 can be had for $399 now so wouldn't that still be the better buy over 2x4850?

I love ATI and I hope that they will come out on top, I mean I'll have to see all official benchmarks before making my decision, but am I right thus far?

[hurleybird]

CF scaling > SLI scaling.
9800GTX SLI > 9800GX2.
And it was only one benchmark where the 9800GTX won. Wait for more results.

[Leeghoofd]

so another magical [IQ cheat ] driver incoming

Both companies optimize stuff to get best performance and sorry when playing a game at 1600 x 1200 I hardly notice any IQ cheat when playing... I don't take screenshots to see how the leaves wave and if they colours blend better... if I have to give in a bit in IQ, but being rewarded with better overal performance... I will be happily obliged to install the IQ CHEAT driver...

Drivers optimisations are also required for remaining compatible with games, solve bugs and stuff... it's not all about IQ...

[003]

Although the HD4850 and HD4850 CF Benchies are really sweet to look at, i saw a benchmark in mascaras thread where he compared a single 4850 to a 9800 gtx, and it lost by a bit.

The 4850s @ $199 each CF make $399 approx
if one performs worse than the 9800 gtx, isn't it assumable that the 9800gx2 will beat 4850s in CF

The 9800GX2 can be had for $399 now so wouldn't that still be the better buy over 2x4850?

I love ATI and I hope that they will come out on top, I mean I'll have to see all official benchmarks before making my decision, but am I right thus far?

Keep in mind, several sources now have claimed that 4850 CF outperforms the GTX280.

[96redformula]

Keep in mind, several sources now have claimed that 4850 CF outperforms the GTX280.

But will it give me the needed FPS gain I need in Warcraft 3?

[Xello]

CF scaling > SLI scaling.

How's it going for you back there in 2007?

Show me one recent benchmark supporting your claim.

[bill_d]

Both companies optimize stuff to get best performance and sorry when playing a game at 1600 x 1200 I hardly notice any IQ cheat when playing... I don't take screenshots to see how the leaves wave and if they colours blend better... if I have to give in a bit in IQ, but being rewarded with better overal performance... I will be happily obliged to install the IQ CHEAT driver...

Drivers optimisations are also required for remaining compatible with games, solve bugs and stuff... it's not all about IQ...

sorry if they had done this 4 weeks ago maybe but now it's just a cheat because of the 4x00 series

and i don't have a 30" lcd and run at 2560x1600 in everything i can for lower IQ
but if all you want is fast and don't care about IQ try CGA

[initialised]

@mascaras, you're a lucky guy . I have one more request . Is it a problem to start the tests with single 4850, because we've seen a lot ot CF tests and the whole world waits for the single tests . Thanks in advance


I liked the non edited verion more .

Single card gets around 5k 3DM06 less than a GTX280 with a 4GHz E8400. Can't see how a second card will make up the difference.

[Leeghoofd]

sorry if they had done this 4 weeks ago maybe but now it's just a cheat because of the 4x00 series

and i don't have a 30" lcd and run at 2560x1600 in everything i can for lower IQ
but if all you want is fast and don't care about IQ try CGA

You really seem to have no idea how hard it is to deliver a full 100% ready product on a fixed release date... I can tell you it's pretty impossible when you want to be competitive... look at DFI they bring out enthousiast mobo's but are always trailling big companies like Asus and Gigabyte... who are on the market with the same chipset at least a few months earlier...

And for first person shooters online I prefer to have 60fps at least at all times to keep my feel... if I have to play at medium to have that I will set it... singleplayer I don't mind dropping to 30fps and have some eyecandy...

So next time ATI releases a driver with improved performance I'll bump in here with the IQ cheat comment... NOT there's more to performance tuning than decreasing IQ ...

[bill_d]

and this driver is for the 9800GTX when was it's release date?
if it was for the gtx260,280 ok there new and drivers will get better same as the 4000's
and if ati lowered QI for speed for my 3870's in a driver i wouldn't use it and bit*h just as much

[AliG]

The rv770 taped out half a year ago, and has been in production for a while now. Even though the 4870 and 4870x2 won't be ready for a while, I'm certain has had a long time to work on the 4850's drivers to the least (which should be the same for 4870 anyways).


I still find it kinda weird how everyone is ignoring the 46x0 series, we all have established the 48x0 cards will be monsters, but since the rv770 has 800 sp, you only wonder what ATI is packing in the rv730. I'm betting there's a chance that 240 number isn't true either, as ATI false rumors had the rv770 sandbagging big time. But even if the specs are true, when's the launch date and where will the performance lie?

[madmossy]

Just a heads up, ATI just released cat 8.6 so might see some improvements

Vista x64
http://ati.amd.com/support/common-vista64.html

Vista x32
http://ati.amd.com/support/common-vista32.html

XP
http://ati.amd.com/support/radeonx-xp.html

Looks like some improvements to 3dMark Vantage, CoD4 and QuadFire improvements/support

[[XC] hipno650]

Me and the other R600 owners are still waiting for it

oh man that made my day. but i would agree i don;t think the 9800gtx has much more to gain form new drivers. but the GTX 2XX's do.

[Apoc@]

French review: http://www.hardware.fr/articles/724-...n-hd-4850.html

[w0mbat]

Faster than 9800GTX & 880Ultra, sometimes even beating GTX 260

[D-Cyph3r]

I dont understand a word of the text, but those bars are pretty easy to understand....


And boy, faster than a Ultra and 9800GTX in 90^ of those test, awesome.

[STaRGaZeR]

whe-re-is-the-4870

[kemo]

Looks to scale well with AA4x