GeForce 9900 GTX & GTS Slated For July Launch

[Luka_Aveiro]

Ok Dil, I'm putting you on the spot:

If the 9900GTX (G92b aka 9800GTX on 55nm) is coming out next month with improved clocks, will Nvidia go ahead and produce a 9900GX2 (which would be much easier and cheaper to produce at 55nm) as it could possibly end up cheaper and faster than a GTX 280 or will they shy away because of the predicament they are in.

EDIT: FINALLY X_X I've been wondering where your and Cooper's fury has gone

Perkam

Maybe 9900GX2 will only be launched when HD4870X2 launches?

[Hornet331]

Ok Dil, I'm putting you on the spot:

If the 9900GTX (G92b aka 9800GTX on 55nm) is coming out next month with improved clocks, will Nvidia go ahead and produce a 9900GX2 (which would be much easier and cheaper to produce at 55nm) as it could possibly end up cheaper and faster than a GTX 280 or will they shy away because of the predicament they are in.

EDIT: FINALLY X_X I've been wondering where your and Cooper's fury has gone

Perkam

if nv goes with its past strategy you wont see a 9900gx2, cause gx2 = end of architecture card.

[perkam]

I am sorry,it want happened again ... please forgive me

To Dil for finally getting his mod on

@Hornet, that is sad if that is the case X_X

Perkam

[Chickenfeed]

Again, G92b is still G92. They aren't pulling a rabbit out of the hat with this, its merely a shrink to compete with ATi with higher clocks. The GT200 series will still lead the way as far as new titles are concerned and I don't see Nvidia jeopardizing these new cards at this point. At the end of the day the 280/260 will be the high res / IQ cards to have not the 9900 series. The 9 series are aimed at the mainstream like 88GT/GTS and will be priced accordingly.

[Xello]

The fury strikes fear into the the hardest troll.

According to that guy any card that can't "handel crysis" is old and forgotten. I guess that's a fairwell to GTX260, 280, HD4850, 4870, and 4870X2 then!

if nv goes with its past strategy you wont see a 9900gx2, cause gx2 = end of architecture card.

Hmm, always the possibility of a change in strategy though. Recently they seem to be basing their moves far too much on what's coming out of the ATI camp.

[perkam]

Hmm, always the possibility of a change in strategy though. Recently they seem to be basing their moves far too much on what's coming out of the ATI camp.

Because there is actually something coming out of the ATI camp this time round The R500 and early R600 were cowdung compared to Nvidia's parts The only thing they excelled in was price/performance and even there Nvidia caught up with them.

This time around the 4850 and 4870 will try to get closer to the Nvidia high ends than ever before.

Perkam

[Hornet331]

well thats why i have said, if the keep there strategy.

noone knows what will happen the next 2-3 months.

[Tim]

Why do I have to scroll through pages of unnecessary information, and speculation, and this and that. If you put all the relevant posts, you would get 2-3 pages at the most.

Sometimes I really wonder why I'm reading forums, it's so brain deadening.

Glad I'm not posting on forums any more except for here and there a post.

[Hornet331]

uhm... its a speculation thread in the first place.... maybe has something to do with the fact that the cards arn't released yet...

[Sneil]

Why do I have to scroll through pages of unnecessary information, and speculation, and this and that. If you put all the relevant posts, you would get 2-3 pages at the most.

Sometimes I really wonder why I'm reading forums, it's so brain deadening.

Glad I'm not posting on forums any more except for here and there a post.

agreed...

[DilTech]

This thread will be done in 1-2 days anyway, with a new sticky for all reviews. Honestly, it's just not worth taking the time to clean it when it's time is almost totally served it's purpose and has reached EOL.

[GoldenTiger]

This thread will be done in 1-2 days anyway, with a new sticky for all reviews. Honestly, it's just not worth taking the time to clean it when it's time is almost totally served it's purpose and has reached EOL.

I see the logic .

Reviews incoming Monday morning per Kyle of hardocp... I assume we'll see it everywhere as they won't publish a review until NDA is up:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....post1032617274

[Hornet331]

I see the logic .

Reviews incoming Monday morning per Kyle of hardocp... I assume we'll see it everywhere as they won't publish a review until NDA is up:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....post1032617274

i dont like the reviewstyle of hardocp... i'll rather take anandtech reviews. Personally im waiting for the techreport reviews

[DilTech]

i dont like the reviewstyle of hardocp... i'll rather take anandtech reviews. Personally im waiting for the techreport reviews

HardOCP's testing has grown on me, seeing as how they actually test it in the game rather than run pre-canned benchmarks.

[GoldenTiger]

HardOCP's testing has grown on me, seeing as how they actually test it in the game rather than run pre-canned benchmarks.

It's grown on me a little but I too still prefer standard benchmarks with custom review-site individual timedemos like Anandtech and TechReport do. Still, I think we'll see all the reviews tomorrow morning .

[fornowagain]

http://www.pczilla.net/en/post/44.html





Not sure what this one is, The Elder Scrolls 4 I think

[Milos-stancene]

http://www.pczilla.net/en/post/44.html





Not sure what this one is, The Elder Scrolls 4 I think

I said IT sucks!!!

[Hornet331]

hohoho the pczilla slides... i like how they skip AF to let the the radeons shin.

enable 16AF (or even 8AF) and you see some more realisitc scores.

[GoldenTiger]

http://www.pczilla.net/en/post/44.html

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Not sure what this one is, The Elder Scrolls 4 I think

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The same site reported 40FPS in Crysis 1920x1200 4x AA a few days ago... sounds like bull to me (the site). Besides, who plays with no AF anyway? Looks like garbage if you do, blurry blurry!

[eleeter]

HardOCP's testing has grown on me...

I find the reviews at H quite dreadful personally.

[STaRGaZeR]

That statement came from NVidia themselves... You'll have to find something not bottlenecked elsewhere to see that show up. Similar to how even though the x1900xt had 3 times the shader power of the x1800xt it didn't always show too much of a gain early on, but you test it with new games and it'll show up almost every single time.

The big thing is, other than crysis, we really don't have any titles that REALLY can push these new architectures. Other than the Big C, how many titles can't be maxed out with an 8800GTX or even an OC'ed 3870(albeit, without AA)? We need to see some seriously stressful titles before we see what this new architecture is truly capable of. I am, however, noting just how small the hit of going from DX9 high to DX10 very high in crysis is, and that shows a very bright future for these cards.

btw, did you notice the size of the jump from the 177.26 to 177.38(13 FPS in DX10 very high crysis at 1920x1200!)? I wonder what the official drivers released within the opening week will end up with performance wise.

The lastest ATI chips have always been limited by something in their architecture that prevents them to show their full potential in shading perfomance. And that bottleneck is texture perfomance. R580, R600 and its derivatives have suffered it and now RV770 will also suffer the same issue. In ideal scenarios their shader perfomance just kills every NV offer. But in actual scenarios like games or even Futuremark benchmarks they show their weakness. 3DMark06 is good for ATI, but it's far from being ideal. Should I wait 2-3 years to fully utilize my card's shaders? Or this card's shaders? That's the reason I don't like ATI's huge shading power, in actual games is not utilized at all. NV's solution is much more focused in today's games and in consecuence much more "optimized" if you want to call it like that.

Also, this card has the same SP design of the last generation G80/G92, just more of them, plus the working MUL, so if the card is well balanced like its predecessors it should scale a lot more linearly, like G80/G92 do.

The jump between DX9 and DX10 in Crysis is big, very big indeed, just like before. Nothing new here, I don't see what are you talking about. Playing in DX10 is a bad decision in almost every game out there.

And I never trust in magic drivers, if after 1 month the card has not shown its full potential it's just because it's not there. That said, I will give this card 1 month to show its teeth or I will remain disappointed

[disruptfam]

Nothing can play crysis @ 1920 x 1200 very high or ultra high with high AA and high af

MUHHUHUHUAAUHAUHAUHUAHUAHUAHUAHUHUAHUAUAAAAAAAAAA

(SERIOUSLY when a single card solution be able to max out that game)

[Anth Seebel]

[H] uses real world game conditions with high IQ and playability settings something I find useful as I don't care about benching but real world game fps/iq. Keep it coming [H].

OK from above benchies at where my card is lacking is Crysis , Im looking at about 10fps increase for $650 , maybe a price drop would tempt me as it stands refresh is not a long wait.

[adamsleath]

gtx280: 19x12 4xAA 32fps high settings crisis
not too shabby
still too expensive for me
but it's the best single card on offer is it not?
so evryone can just suck eggs on the price
is there still that site in canada offering one for 328$?

"19x12 4xAA 32fps high settings crisis":
what does 4850 cf do at these settings?
..on a p45

http://www.netplus.com.au/products-d...DGFGTX280%2DE9
999$ aud (the old we-have-no-stock-$999 price)

[Chickenfeed]

Yeah very interesting as the gains reported in Crysis thus far don't seem to be inline with the improvements in many other games. Makes you think that the GT280 is bottlenecked in one area that Crysis thrives upon.