ATI Radeon HD 4000 Series discussion

[Jowy Atreides]

No, it means that someone is just terrible @ presenting them.

And i dont care if there are 20000 pic w/ Samuel L. Jackson, u could even post a pic of ur grandma or the pope.

You type like a... (insert whatever colloquial insult you imagine here)
or how Opie from family guy sounds when he speaks.

btw. ati have done well for themselves by hiring you
*Blocked*

[GoldenTiger]

No, it means that someone is just terrible @ presenting them.

And i dont care if there are 20000 pic w/ Samuel L. Jackson, u could even post a pic of ur grandma or the pope.

I have to admit, that using the kind of writing you do, no one's really going to take what you say seriously. You sound like a teenager who just learned that forums existed, not an adult in the industry who might actually be under an NDA for an upcoming hardware product.

[22JHP]

test page
http://forum.donanimhaber.com/m_23897423/tm.htm
11 Haziran 2008; 17:35:40

second news
http://forum.donanimhaber.com/m_23898334/tm.htm
11 Haziran 2008; 18:07:10

- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260: 399$

all fake or all true.

[STaRGaZeR]

Yes, i did and i do have AMD NDA documents.

If you have nothing to say just STFU. We already know you're under NDA, no need of 20 more post to confirm.

[fng77]

[QUOTE=Helmore;3051393]Eh, what does that even mean, what the heck is 'perlin noise'?

Lol.

I´m not laughing at that u dont now what perlin noise is, I dont have a clue either. I just love honest question.

[informal]

If you have nothing to say just STFU. We already know you're under NDA, no need of 20 more post to confirm.

Before you go all "STFU",maybe you should read his post in which he says that slides are not fake...
So he had something to say about it and he did.Now you just made yourself look like a forum bully

[fng77]

And it's also got 480 shaders. Damn, the 4000 series is going to suck. What a let down. That will likely go for the 4870 as well. If the 4850 scores X2700 in vantage, then the 4870 will maybe score X3100, which may even be optimistic. If the GTX 280 is scoring X4800, the 4870 is going to get pounded in a huge way.

And I sincerely doubt the 4870X2 is going to score X5500. I mean thats not far off from double the performance, and multi GPU configurations do NOT scale that well.

I cant understand why you compare the 4850 and 4870 with the gtx 280. The 280 cost more than twice as much!!

[STaRGaZeR]

Before you go all "STFU",maybe you should read his post in which he says that slides are not fake...
So he had something to say about it and he did.Now you just made yourself look like a forum bully

Before you start going against everyone that doesn't say AMD ruls you should read ALL his post.

[Luka_Aveiro]

My god w0mbat is Hector defending is graph maker to not fire him

[Helmore]

I have to admit, that using the kind of writing you do, no one's really going to take what you say seriously. You sound like a teenager who just learned that forums existed, not an adult in the industry who might actually be under an NDA for an upcoming hardware product.

I don't completely agree here, you should keep in mind that there are lots of people here for whom English is not their native/first language. That also includes me.

[informal]

Before you start going against everyone that doesn't say AMD ruls you should read ALL his post.

Before you start that "going against everyone.." crap(which only you know "is true"),i did read his posts and he just replied to that annoying dude who was trying to make himself a name by proclaiming he found out the slides are fake since he noticed a glitches in presentation...
And wombat wouldn't post that just to piss any one off,he was trying to make a point.And yes he is under NDA,and no you aren't,so get over it!

PS this is my second post in this thread(or 3rd).As you can see i didn't "go against everyone that doesn't say AMD ruls" (sic).

[STaRGaZeR]

And yes he is under NDA,and no you aren't,so get over it!

Like if I want! No please

Info = good.
BS and not concrete info = bad. If you want to say something, just say it. If you want but you can't, just STFU. We already have some guys that do that, no need for another one.

[zerazax]

I'm going to laugh if all these claimed fake slides were real, and AMD just has a powerpoint maker who either sucks at powerpoint or hates aesthetics (probably an engineer did it I bet)

[fng77]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 22JHP
loook i'm faker and bad one ok?I'll make first page and second page 1 and 2 got me why second and fourth page?do you believe amd gives to dh these pics in a professional way?

huh, I honestly do not understand what you are trying to convey

you admit to faking them?

give me the layered source and I'll fire up corel and fix them up for ya
it'll give me some lulz





I just love some of these discussions

[zerazax]

I think he was trying to be facetious in that he doesn't see why they'd fake the slides and number them 2 and 4 if a faker would probably number them 1 and 2

I dunno, maybe page 1 and 3 are the pictures of the 4870 and 4850 slides we saw earlier leaked?

Anywho, if those performance numbers are true, then I can see Nvidia pushing GTX260 down to $399 to compete against nvidia since even with the 55nm shrink of G92b, it'll be hard pressed to compete against those numbers

[fng77]

k

These pictures are fake.

[w0mbat]

Im just trying to say that even official slides/documents, when they arent ment to be released to the public, can look like the latest crap and be still no fake. i saw some amd nda slides which looked much more like rubbish then the ones posted today. the new ones look pretty much the same like some i saw a few weeks ago.

of cause theres nothing for 100% shure, so these slides could be fakes. but the "evidence" which got posted to declare this as a fake just doesnt proof anything. thats all i wanted to say here.

im not here to piss of anyone and im writing like this cause im german and not very good at english.

[Papu]

These pictures are fake.

yes here is the real Sam jackson!

[zerazax]

And the FYI on the Perlin Noise i mentioned:

Perlin noise is a ALU (shader)-bound test in 3dMark (06 and Vantage) that few people utilize

However, it's probably one of the better tests (along with a lot of the secondary tests which go underutilized) for analyzing maximum shader performance. So on shaders and shaders only (forget the rest of the card such as ROPS, TMU's, etc. for the most part):

perlin noise

HD3870: 175
HD4850: 335

That was from no-x at B3d.

If you do the math, 335/175 = 1.914

Rumored clocks and SP Count: (625Mhz * 800SP) / (775Mhz * 320SP) = 2.02

if you try using 480SP, the math just doesn't work.

For comparison:

3850 149
3870 173 (+16%, = freq. diff. b/w 3850 & 3870)
8800GT 145
8800GTS 177 (+22%, = freq. & ALU diff. b/w 8800GT & 8800GTS)

That was from this sharkyextreme review

So it's a pretty good estimate of ALU performance within architecture and is almost entirely shader * core bound (obviously thigns like memorybandwidth and other lesser things will matter, and fyi the 3870 has more bandwidth than the 4850)

elitebastards got 345 out of the 9800GX2 for comparison, and going by theoretical TFlop count, the 4850 is right in line... and if the 4870 is 20% better, we're going to have some pretty impressive shader performance out of these cards (gogo GPGPU programs!)

[fng77]

Papu:

You are killing me LOOOOLLL.

[fng77]

Btw.

HD4850 And gtx 280 are both out on Prisjakt, a swedish equivalence to Pricerunner.

1 USD = 6.5 Swedish Kronor. Very resoneble price for the 4850 I think

[informal]

HD4850 early review?! (or is it another fake?? )
http://publish.it168.com/2008/0610/20080610041601.shtml

mark06 12x10,no AA,no AF:


Vantage scores:
http://publish.it168.com/2008/0610/20080610041604.shtml

PS Stargazer,is this fitting your posting standards ?

[conzymaher]

yes here is the real Sam jackson!

mmmmmmmmmh MMMMMMMMMH SAMUEL L JACKSON BEER

[bigslappy]

Btw.

HD4850 And gtx 280 are both out on Prisjakt, a swedish equivalence to Pricerunner.

1 USD = 6.5 Swedish Kronor. Very resoneble price for the 4850 I think

Real or fake ?

L O L

This thread is Really funny !

~ I hear Elvis is writing the code for the drivers as we speak ! ~

[NH|Delph1]

You are the 5th person to post that

It's fake. Moving on, lets all do an online wave !! :o

Perkam

No, it's real. RV770 has 800SPs. GPU-Z is simply outdated.

seems they got problems with the gddr5 memory... only 1800 mhz clock (slowest bin)?

It's a power consumption thing. There's nothing wrong with GDDR5.

On a side note, Anyone who has actually seen an AMD presentation knows that there are usually a number of graphical and spelling errors. They are not proof of the slide being fake. Sadly, that's how they look, and to be honest an AMD presentation wouldn't be complete without them.

//Andreas