FINALLY! Barcelona(s) + Asus L1N64......

[karbonkid]

I may be getting one of these boards fairly soon (seeing what I can get cheapest - ASUS L1N64, ASUS KNF5-D or MSI K9ND). If the original board is the same as the /B, does that mean it is safe to flash the original with the "new" board's BIOS to get quad-core support?

[LIKMARK]

Yes probably. There is also posted a link to a modded WS bios with quad core support at the start of this thread, I believe it is approximatly the same bios as the WS board is recognized as a WS/B board by cpuz.

[karbonkid]

Just been reading 2cpu - seems someone has tried it and it doesn't work:

Official dumb question of the day.....

What is the reason the new WS/B boards bios won't just work in the prior board like I have?

It specs out like new B mobo except for the Opty and Ram situation.

I told you it was a dumb question.

Eric

EDIT:

Likmark - I see you have responded to the thread in question. I don't quite see what is going on there - are you recommending to Eric the modded BIOS from earlier in this thread, because ASUS's WS/B BIOS doesn't work, or vice versa?

And, if ASUS's WS/B BIOS won't work in the older board, could it be that DDPW support has, in fact, been added in the newer rev.? Maybe split planes were already there on the PCB but required enabling in firmware???

[LIKMARK]

Just been reading 2cpu - seems someone has tried it and it doesn't work:



EDIT:

Likmark - I see you have responded to the thread in question. I don't quite see what is going on there - are you recommending to Eric the modded BIOS from earlier in this thread, because ASUS's WS/B BIOS doesn't work, or vice versa?

And, if ASUS's WS/B BIOS won't work in the older board, could it be that DDPW support has, in fact, been added in the newer rev.? Maybe split planes were already there on the PCB but required enabling in firmware???

Hi. Hmm.. I had forgotten answering that thread He didn't reply in the thread, so I'm not sure if he had tested flashing to a WS/B bios or not. It sounds as if he has tested it though. The modded bios is known to work with the WS board, the official WS/B bios apparantly dosen't work, so I would test the modded one first if I were you.

As I said earlier (in this thread I think) I have read somewhere "respected" enough to actually remember it that the WS/B board supports DDPW, but I cannot find the article/thread about it again.

I have the WS/B board myself, how about posting a high res pic of the WS board for comparison? (in case of hardware changes)

I have just registered my board at ASUS homepage, so I'll email them about this to get a confirmation about support/not support once and for all.

[karbonkid]

I don't have the board yet, so this one's courtesy of The Google:


EDIT: Another (barrell distortion's a bugger)


Thanks for your help

[msimax]

anybody want to go half with me

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-QUAD-CORE-OP...QQcmdZViewItem

[LIKMARK]

WS/B:

I'll see if I can take a better picture.

Edit: DAMN msimax, what a price, how many Skulltrail systems can you get for 7000USD.

Would love to get a couple of the new 2360s though.

Email sent to ASUS BTW

EDIT2:

[karbonkid]

For reference, then:

On the left is an MSI K9ND Speedster, on the right a Speedster2. The latter supports DDPW. They look the same, right? Not so - see the extra inverter and capacitor by each MOSFET heatsink? Minimal difference. Could be something similar here?

anybody want to go half with me

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-QUAD-CORE-OP...QQcmdZViewItem

yeah, well there's this guy who emailed me from Nigeria who says he'll give me £5000 if I help him transfer some money or something like that, he can help me pay for it

[LIKMARK]

Hmm, there seems to be no such differences on the asus boards, or am I not looking hard enough?

[Rammsteiner]

MSI added extra caps so they can actually get more blown up.

Nice boards though, stupidly Im interested but meh, probably would be sorry if I would do that... It's tempting but well, they released it and that was about it

[karbonkid]

Haha, this is like Where's Wally (or Waldo if you're American). I see nothing either. *shrug*

I doubt ASUS will be helpful - after all, it's to their advantage to claim the boards are physically different, even if they aren't.

Now I just hope I can get this board for the price I expect (it's on ebay)...

[yankeex86x]

ok guys,
take a look at the motherboards revision:
both motherboards share the same exact revision 1.01G, no changes have been made to the pcb. these motherboards are the same.
On asus website there's no mention to DDPM in the WS/B model webpage, so the L1N64-SLI WS/B (and WS too) don't support DDPM.

[yankeex86x]

Next week I'll receve an Opty 2350 and 2x2Gb PC2-6400 reg memories.
I still have to learn how to flash the modified bios into my board (WS)
However i think that the 0.501 bios from asus website is not working due to an incorrect flash.
I think that before using the asus bios you've to flash the older
tic tac bios, after that you can flash the 0.501.

[LIKMARK]

He did not mention how he had flashed it either. Flash in DOS with AWDflash and make sure to use all the right prefixes when flashing

[yankeex86x]

this is the first (and last) asus motherboard with DDPM support and native quad core support:
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...58&modelmenu=1

If the DDPM is present, asus website will show the feature.
the motherboards (WS & WS/B) are exactly the same (exept for the bios chip).
If the official bios is not working, maybe someone at asus choosed to lock some registers to let the bios work only on the WS/B model.... but it's hard to do (i think)

[perkam]

I hope all these boards are 45nm capable...I don't even want to know how much $$$$ you guys are putting down on these things

Perkam

[yankeex86x]

these boards won't be 45nm capable, them will be only if the 45nm will be soket F.
Otherwise I'm not interested in 45nm, because i upgrade now from 90 to 65 nm and i stop here. I've just spent too much on this system and i'll wait for cheap prices for others 4Gb ram and 2350 later.
this system will last about 6 years because it will have 8 cores that will be enough for some time

[LIKMARK]

According to earlier roadmaps socket F+ cpus will be socket F compatible, it may have changed since then though.

@ Perkam: I hope so too My wife does not know how much $$$ I've spent on this setup... (And hopefully won't ever know, or else : )

[karbonkid]

I think that before using the asus bios you've to flash the older tic tac bios, after that you can flash the 0.501.

That's probably the most plausible explanation.

@Perkam - I'm (hopefully) getting the board 2nd hand very cheap, and the whole point of this is to allow me upgrade flexibility: I can get one dual-core now, another dual-core when the university term starts and I need more power for rendering, and then gradually upgrade to single then dual Barcelona when the introduction of new CPUs has dropped the price of the older ones significantly. I'm tend not to go for bleeding-edge mid-range hardware, but slightly older high-end stuff

[msimax]

phase 2 i ordered 2 opty 8224 3.2ghz of amd finest sillycone


Processor
Second-Generation AMD Opteron™
Model
8224 SE
OPN PIB
OSY8224GAA6CY
Revision
F3
Core Count
2
Core Speed (MHz)
3200
System Bus Speed (MHz)
1000
Voltages
1.325 V/1.350 V/1.375 V/1.400 V
Max Temps (C)
55° C to 69° C
Wattage
119 W
L2 Cache Size (KB)
1024
L2 Cache Speed (MHz)
3200
L3 Cache Size (KB)

CMOS
90nm SOI
Integrated Memory Controller Speed (MHz)
3200
Socket
Socket F (1207)

i have high hopes to get good clocks with these so i can attack 3dmark06

phase 3 will be to get some sever mem

phase 4 will be 3 9800gtx or 2 9800gx2

[Sadhiq]

Well, that's going to be a nice system !

[LIKMARK]

Why the 8224 and not the 2224? You got a nice deal I presume? Would be nice at 3,6GHz+ You going for the 800MHz reg/ecc too?

[msimax]

Why the 8224 and not the 2224? You got a nice deal I presume? Would be nice at 3,6GHz+ You going for the 800MHz reg/ecc too?

yeah good deal indeed got 1 for 240 and the other for 260 on ebay there were 8 available pulled from a sever. these chips go for $2000 the lowest i found so each one i won i was jumping out my seat. there are 2 more there ,bidding ends monday i wonder should i get 2 more.

and i need the sever ram to boot up then i am going to flash back to the fx bios so i can use regular ram. then im gonna see if i can score some dice pots cpu my goal is 4.0ghz or bust and use my chiller for the gpu since they have a cold bug @ -40c but i see ppl getting 1000 core with 1.4v so im optimistic. then i hope to get some b3 optys and pray for the best

[LIKMARK]

Damn. Nice plans

You have done vcore mod to your board? (or maybe that was Kyosen)

[msimax]

nah it goes to 1.7 if you trick it