No overclocking for mainstream Nehalem?

[Donnie27]

NVIDIA locked AMD out, not the other way around. You can run CF just fine on NVIDIA chipset, I.e. if NVIDIA would let them.

Remember xDNA that never materialized?

//Andreas

To some folks nVidia can't do any wrong though. If there is a will, there is a way and some folks will ship overclocking friendly Nehalem board IMHO.

[Blauhung]

From an Intel rep on this board around a month ago he said the reason had something to do with how the lower end chips were made, that the CPU's will run at their rated speed even if an aftermarket board/chipset tries to force it higher due to the CPU checking the speed and anything trying to run faster will be disregarded and ran at the stock speed.

Supposedly this was considered a side effect of the architecture and not the intention.

He also said the lowest end Bloomfield CPU will be around $400 so no one should worry about not being able to afford the ones you can overclock.

That was me, and I'm not an Intel rep so do not take my statements as such. I am a computer enthusiast who happens to also be a manufacturing engineer for Intel.

It boils down to the fact that Lynnfield and Havendale most likely will be doing all their clock generation and splitting from within the CPU package. There really aren't any good levers for the OC'er to change the reference frequency off which the CPU is based as there really isn't any reference frequency in either platform.

these are both done so that the platform uses less chips, becomes simpler, uses less power and costs less.

[savantu]

I think we should end this nonsense :

Credible information we were able to obtain from industry sources suggest that rumors about Intel preventing users from overclocking Nehalem processors are false. From what we have learned, Intel has very healthy silicon on its hands. It appears that there are some challenges related to overclocking, especially in the memory controller area. However, it is unlikely that there will be anything that prevents overclocking of the CPU cores.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37824/135/

[Blauhung]

I think we should end this nonsense :




http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37824/135/

i can pretty much tell you with confidence that no one is playing with Lynnfield or Havendale yet.

Nehalem (Gainstown & Bloomfield) does overclock.

Lynnfield (4 cores with intigrated PCIe and 2 channel ddr3) and Havendale ( 2 core with intigrated graphics, PCIe, and 2 channel ddr3) probably wont.

This is not because they're "locked" It is due to the way the platforms have been designed.

[Shintai]

i can pretty much tell you with confidence that no one is playing with Lynnfield or Havendale yet.

Nehalem (Gainstown & Bloomfield) does overclock.

Lynnfield (4 cores with intigrated PCIe and 2 channel ddr3) and Havendale ( 2 core with intigrated graphics, PCIe, and 2 channel ddr3) probably wont.

This is not because they're "locked" It is due to the way the platforms have been designed.

Not sure with Lynnsfield. But Havendale would be a pain in the rear to OC i guess. Since the GPU part would also need OC besides the PCIe, IMC etc.

But anyway, for those complaining. Sooner or later this will be the standard from everyone. AMDs fusion is Havendale in an AMD format. And I am sure AMD also will have a Lynnsfield and Bloomsfield variant.

System on a chip is the future!

[Donnie27]

What will be the fun in owning a Lynnfield or Havendale ???

Kick @$$ performance without overclocking?

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

Kick @$$ performance without overclocking?

OC = KICKIER ASSIER performance

I'd get an AMD just to play with, especially if they get cheaper. The reason I got an Intel this time around was specifically OCing, not "just" performance.

[Donnie27]

OC = KICKIER ASSIER performance

I'd get an AMD just to play with, especially if they get cheaper. The reason I got an Intel this time around was specifically OCing, not "just" performance.

What does it matter if stock performance is better than overclocked performance?

[Hornet331]

funny how everyone screams and say they go back to amd, especial amd is heading the same way (fusion).

[BrowncoatGR]

funny how everyone screams and say they go back to amd, especial amd is heading the same way (fusion).

There's a difference. AMD is going to have HT clock which should be OCable regardless of where the PCI-E controller resides.

[Shintai]

There's a difference. AMD is going to have HT clock which should be OCable regardless of where the PCI-E controller resides.

AMD and Intels designs will be identical. HT or QPI, same show. Or via another internal linktype. Most likely fusion will be stripped of HT since it serves no purpose for an ondie config. Plus the PCIe will be affected just aswell as it will on the other.

[bowman]

Blauhung,

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37824/135/

Taipei (Taiwan) - Hot on the heels of AMD's overclocking secret, we can reveal that Bloomfield and Lynnfield, key processors of Intel’s upcoming Nehalem family, will indeed feature overclocking capabilities for up to eight CPU cores (16 threads).

Something new at work here?

[Seraphiel]

Blauhung,

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37824/135/


Something new at work here?

Don't put any blame upon Blauhung. There is a big difference between capability, and actual implementation.

Nothing is very clear as of now, even if ES chips and ES chipsets indicate differently. End retail SKU and their prices are all that matters, and those are not to be found or tested.

Let us wait and see, what exactly will happen.

[bowman]

Don't put any blame upon Blauhung. There is a big difference between capability, and actual implementation.

Nothing is very clear as of now, even if ES chips and ES chipsets indicate differently. End retail SKU and their prices are all that matters, and those are not to be found or tested.

Let us wait and see, what exactly will happen.

I'm not blaming anyone, I just wanted to hear what he knew about this.

[Seraphiel]

I'm not blaming anyone, I just wanted to hear what he knew about this.

I apologize then, and have misunderstood you

Blauhung isn't an official representive for Intel, as he explained, and only gives his insights upon matters. One that I really appreciate, even though it is by nature limited

[turbox997]

Blauhung,

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37824/135/


Something new at work here?

I'd trust Blauhung over a bunch of gossip hungry news editors.

[stocius]

There will be none whatsover, under any circumstances...just like the latest anti-piracy measures stop software from being compromised and shared [/fud sarcasm]

[Blauhung]

Blauhung,

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37824/135/


Something new at work here?

the article also states

Credible information we were able to obtain from industry sources suggest that rumors about Intel preventing users from overclocking Nehalem processors are false. From what we have learned, Intel has very healthy silicon on its hands. It appears that there are some challenges related to overclocking, especially in the memory controller area. However, it is unlikely that there will be anything that prevents overclocking of the CPU cores.

unless they are talking directly to the designers at Intel, no one has any Lynnfield silicon that they could be playing with. From the information available right now, the only way Lynnfield will OC is through unlocked multiplyers. Due to the inclusion of turbo mode, I'm guessing that each core has individually adjustable multiplyers that can be tweaked when unlocked. the problem still pops up that there is no refrence clock on the platform.

[Donnie27]

I'd trust Blauhung over a bunch of gossip hungry news editors.

QFT!

[Donnie27]

the article also states


unless they are talking directly to the designers at Intel, no one has any Lynnfield silicon that they could be playing with. From the information available right now, the only way Lynnfield will OC is through unlocked multiplyers. Due to the inclusion of turbo mode, I'm guessing that each core has individually adjustable multiplyers that can be tweaked when unlocked. the problem still pops up that there is no refrence clock on the platform.

Thanks, wish you tell us more without breaking any rules (NDA or etc..)?