GeForce 9900 GTX & GTS Slated For July Launch

[ctgilles]

CANCEL now !! there's more than just higher clock rates, more ram, better bandwith,... it will give better performance than ya current X2 for sure... and if it doesn't you can get an 9800X2 for cheap a few weeks from now... If it's the eVGA card you can still step up... but you will be without a GFX card for a few weeks for sure... (Step up works fab just you need to be patient)

You chose the worst moment possible to buy a GFX card... CANCEL IT GO GO GO

Yeah it's the eVGA. Going to try to cancel it

[PCduster]

re-read my post
"9800gtx"

I didn't say 8800gt

I'm rockin a 9800GTX in AoC. I don't have the graphics max'ed, and I am only playing at 1680x1050. I see FPS drop under 30 a lot more than I would like.

[RealTelstar]

re-read my post
"9800gtx"

I didn't say 8800gt

Still, AoC needs more than 512mb of texture cache. It also needs 4gb of system ram to avoid stuttering.

Moreover, the beta was dx9, the dx10 version has higher requirements.

[AliG]

CANCEL now !! there's more than just higher clock rates, more ram, better bandwith,... it will give better performance than ya current X2 for sure... and if it doesn't you can get an 9800X2 for cheap a few weeks from now... If it's the eVGA card you can still step up... but you will be without a GFX card for a few weeks for sure... (Step up works fab just you need to be patient)

You chose the worst moment possible to buy a GFX card... CANCEL IT GO GO GO

I agree, even if it is an evga card, definitely cancle it because there's no guarantee on what's coming from both sides, who knows the 4870 might be on par with the 9800gx2 or perhaps the 4870x2 might have be oc'd to barely keep up with the gtx 260.

I agree, bad timing on buying a gfx card, wait til the benchmarks come from both sides and then decide for yourself (although unless if the micro-stuttering issue is solved with the r700, even if it more powerful than the gtx 280 you may want to take the gtx over it)

[Orion24]

you can get an 9800X2 for cheap a few weeks from now...

Dought so. Even if the 9800GX2 is ouperformed by the GTX 260, the high production cost will prevent it from getting significatly cheaper. It has 1 GB RAM and 2 fully functional G92 GPUs; if it can't compete, it's production will cease.

[AliG]

No, it actually only has 512mb of ram. This is the common misconception, but to make it short, due to the way sli works, both gpus need a dedicated 512mb of ram that has everything mirrored on each other, meaning you really only get 512mb that you use. The r700 is supposed to change this, but no one is sure yet whether or not that's true


besides, 9800gx2 is supposed to be EOL right now anyways, last rumors were saying once the gtx series is out nvidia will phase it out (probably quickly since it can use the g92s for the 9800gtx)

[conzymaher]

No, it actually only has 512mb of ram. This is the common misconception, but to make it short, due to the way sli works, both gpus need a dedicated 512mb of ram that has everything mirrored on each other, meaning you really only get 512mb that you use.

He was talking about production costs..................

it still HAS 1024mb of ram on it, which costs money..

[AliG]

right production cost wise it has 1gb of ram, but you still only get to USE 512mb of is my point

[Mk]

[Xello]

both gpus need a dedicated 512mb of ram that has everything mirrored on each other, meaning you really only get 512mb that you use. The r700 is supposed to change this, but no one is sure yet whether or not that's true

Yep 1gb total RAM but only 512mb frame buffer (can be used at one time)

I read that the whole r700 'shared memory pool' thing was disproven, but i guess nothing is official until it's out.

[conzymaher]

right production cost wise it has 1gb of ram, but you still only get to USE 512mb of is my point

You're irrelevant point

[adamsleath]

2 cards are not sharing 512MB, so with AFR each card effectively renders half the pixels on the screen - isnt that how it works?

which means that calc's for only half the pixels/output are utilising each 512 memory buffer, but i dont really know how it works, assuming AFR does work effectively in some apps.

the point being that if afr works properly, 512+512MB should be available, but i dont know what happens in real life gpu/buffer sharing with dual card loads. im guessing that some apps work well and others not at all, or badly.

[AliG]

You're irrelevant point

Not really, in fact not at all, he was talking about what would happen if the 9800gx2 was outperformed by the gtx 260, and in terms of performance that makes a difference.

2 cards are not sharing 512MB, so with AFR each card effectively renders half the pixels on the screen - isnt that how it works?

which means that calc's for only half the pixels/output are utilising each 512 memory buffer, but i dont really know how it works, assuming AFR does work effectively in some apps.

Doesn't matter, the framebuffer has to be mirrored on the memory, that's why people always say even though you have sli you really only have same amount of memory as your original card, and thus why people often with sli and xfire setups opt for the higher memory version even if they don't really need it

[adamsleath]

the framebuffer has to be mirrored on the memory

if this is true then it seems silly, and to have redundant mirrored information is also silly.
load sharing is how sli works; not load mirroring....but i guess the info has to be combined...where? all in one of the gcards memory buffers?

mmm a shared memory pool would be good.
i guess.

still woefully limited and expensive imo.

[annihilat0r]

if this is true then it seems silly, and to have redundant mirrored information is also silly.
load sharing is how sli works; not load mirroring.

No.

[Mk]

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[adamsleath]

No.

then it is woefully limited by redundant mirrored info.

[jas420221]

then it is woefully limited.

Go to school, get educated, and make a difference then. Its easy to complain about problems, its harder to fix them.

[adamsleath]

easier to sit back and watch others create the problems, rather than fix them.

even easier to be a fanboy...actually maybe not.


more memory.

haha i'll pretend to be a frame buffer and just be redundant half redundant anyway.

[jas420221]

^^ ^^



** As said like Dr. Evil ** --> You can put frikin LAZERS on their heads!

[Xello]

Well the thing to remember is that these new cards are going to have 1gb of memory, aren't they? So although even with 2 GTX 280's in SLI you'll still 'only' have a 1gb frame buffer, but i'm thinking this should be enough to cope with Crysis @ high res, assuming the rest of the card can keep up

[AliG]

then it is woefully limited by redundant mirrored info.

Its not redundant, if it wasn't mirrored you'd have tons of more microstuttering than we already do.

if this is true then it seems silly, and to have redundant mirrored information is also silly.
load sharing is how sli works; not load mirroring....but i guess the info has to be combined...where? all in one of the gcards memory buffers?

mmm a shared memory pool would be good.
i guess.

still woefully limited and expensive imo.

Exactly, why do you think there's so much argument over whether the r700 is an mcm or not? At this point I'm thinking it isn't, but it is still possible to have a shared memory pool as long as the gpus have an external memory controller. Problem with that is then you're running into possible latency issues. See why this is so difficult to fix something like this?

[shiznit93]

re-read my post
"9800gtx"

I didn't say 8800gt

thats like a 10% difference?

[Hornet331]

thats like a 10% difference?

more like 20%...

[AliG]

honestly, you won't really see any difference, only advantage the 9800gtx really has is the better binned g92 that can oc higher with the faster memory