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    1st Quarter: October 1, 2007 – December 31, 2007
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveprime View Post
    I guess they run on a different one :[
    Those are fiscal year ends/Quarters, not product launch quarters. Two years ago Conroe for Desktop launched during the 3rd Quarter.

    Averill and Conroe to launch later this year

    Intel will announce a state-of-the-art digital office platform code named Averill, and roll out the next generation of microprocessors for desktop computers, called Conroe, in the third quarter.
    3rd Quarter equals July, August and September.
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    I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
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    Damn :[

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    Wow. Looks like i will def be holding off upgrading till late next year. These chips are beasts!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveprime View Post
    True, I kinda forgot about the rendering/encoding/editing apps, as I never work with them. I guess well start seeing alot more multithreaded games now.
    Yeah, when we watched quad core first arrive (even dual core), there was not much... but over the past year and half or so, I am quite surprised.

    The only reason I noticed is because I wanted to specifically run some multiple single threaded (i.e. a multitasking environment) to see how things worked... I had a fairly difficult time finding single threaded apps that fit the bill.

    Most impressive are a few of the game engines, UT3 and Lost Planet are two great examples of games using > 2 cores well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macadamia View Post
    K10 actually went forward in "all-roundedness" (mostly multi-threaded but single threaded perf. went UP at least), and all it got was bashing by basically the same people rejoicing now. I'm gonna have to call you (and the others) out on this.

    K8 scaled like C2Duo BTW. About the same underpinnings. It's just C2Q that started to show signs of fatigue with 4 cores.
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    Alright...
    I have $1200 budget right now and I am on an again A64 X2 4200+ rig... what should I do?
    Should I get the Q9450 or not AAAARRRGGGHHHH

    I don't think I'll be able to build a PC after this summer....
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    since you bought already the ram as it says on your sig, yes because youll then have to spend on DDR3 for nehalem, or is that what you are trying to ask??
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    Quote Originally Posted by drfedja View Post
    In this http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...px?i=3216&p=11
    review Penryn QX9450 scores 3297 points for Cinebench 10 1-CPU. This is exactly faster than Nehalem's 3015 points. :d
    Multithread scaling are better than C2D's.
    In this review they are using 64bit Vista which offers a 10% speed improvement over the 32bit version.

    Subtract 10% ( 330 points ) and you end up with 2970 , perfectly inline with the score from the Nehalem preview.

    This is getting awkward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macadamia View Post
    K10 actually went forward in "all-roundedness" (mostly multi-threaded but single threaded perf. went UP at least), and all it got was bashing by basically the same people rejoicing now. I'm gonna have to call you (and the others) out on this.

    K8 scaled like C2Duo BTW. About the same underpinnings. It's just C2Q that started to show signs of fatigue with 4 cores.
    Well , K10 went all around in getting slower than the competition.It's one thing to offer the best single thread performance and offer the best multithreaded performance ( which looks to be the case for Nehalem ) and perform only "good enough" like the K10.

    Basically , K10 had poor single thread performance ( relative to the competition and even to the K8 if we go by absolute numbers ) , better scaling , but that didn't help in avoiding the final outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by savantu View Post
    Well , K10 went all around in getting slower than the competition.It's one thing to offer the best single thread performance and offer the best multithreaded performance ( which looks to be the case for Nehalem ) and perform only "good enough" like the K10.

    Basically , K10 had poor single thread performance ( relative to the competition and even to the K8 if we go by absolute numbers ) , better scaling , but that didn't help in avoiding the final outcome.
    But K10 feels smoother. Sorry, bad joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donnie27 View Post
    QFT!

    The Roadmap shows 2.83GHz Nehalem in Q4 08. It is listed in the 320 to 400 dollar range.
    May I get a link to the Nehalem roadmap? I want to see the pricing please?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Loser777 View Post
    Alright...
    I have $1200 budget right now and I am on an again A64 X2 4200+ rig... what should I do?
    Should I get the Q9450 or not AAAARRRGGGHHHH

    I don't think I'll be able to build a PC after this summer....
    Depends what you intend on doing with your rig, if you want to casually oc it and game on it, go for the penryn, you wont be disappointed. Wait till all our experts here, figure exactly how we re going to OC these things, and then get the 32nm version down the road, all the while enjoying your highly clocked penryn quad :P plus ddr2, seems like you might as well stick with a platform that can utilize it, if your budget strapped, as nehalem is not going to come cheap right out of the gate. And that x2 is definately on its last legs perfromance wise :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by mstp2009 View Post
    You are dead wrong.

    I know an Intel fab engineer (or 2) and they say these could be pushed out in under 60 days if absolutely necessary (i.e. AMD pulled a rabbit out of it's hat).

    They work, they are stable, and they run within the same thermal envelope as current 45nm Penryn Quads.
    that doesnt mean they will be available in large volumes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donnie27 View Post
    Let's see all test done on Penryn with one stick of RAM then? Now please come and school me here? The IMC is made up of 3 64bit banks to total 192bit or 64 + 64 + 64 if only a single channel is working, even the playing field and remove one of the sticks from the Penryn system 128bit vs 64bit is hardly fair.

    No it's not when you think about IMC, lower latency, then more bandwidth, I do mean processor, system and memory.
    only a couple of test like high memory bandwidth

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    Quote Originally Posted by JumpingJack View Post
    Actually -- this is not quite true.... it is harder to find bench software that is 'common' that is not multithreaded.

    Compression/decompression - winrar multithreaded.
    Audio encoding - ripping .. iTunes, multithreaded ... LameMP3 multithreaded.
    Not true! Only multithreaded Lame was “Intel’s edition” 3.97a, real distribution wasn’t MThreaded ‘cos testing showed that MThreaded version produced lower quality of sound (everything is elaborated on LAME community forums)… iThunes is nowhere threaded!
    Video encoding - almost all multithreaded, sony vegas multithreaded, Pinnacle Studio multithreaded
    Video editing - paint.net (open) multithreaded, any adobe software multithreaded
    Photoshop is partially MThreaded… some filters, and some picture manipulation functions do use MThreading, but it’s not in big extent… unfortunately.
    Games: Any recently released game, UT3 multithreaded, Crysis multithreaded, Lost Planet multithreaded, World in Conflect multithreaded.
    In Lost Planet, only some levels are MThreaded (Cave), WiC can’t see beyond 2 cores, so as Crysis who’s struggling to use second core more effectively. UT3 has the best MT optimization and will use a mush cores you can throw, but scaling beyond three cores is dropping rapidly. Not to mention 3DMArk who’s only using singlethread for graphic test!
    Though not all SW has become multithreaded... superPi is still single threaded
    who cares about superpi?
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    I don't get all the negativity from the usual well known AMD sympathizers. This last while are ears have been sore listing to tales of how phenoms great scaling and multi threaded performance are what matters in the real world as whats the point in having a quad and worrying about single threaded performance? You all just look silly now. Nehalem will have amazing single threaded performance and better scaling than k10, What is really not to like? Also because the tests are being run on early crippled hardware, these scores will only get better, No?

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    10x for the benches Anand!

    Nehalem's performance is good, but it should be better with the retail boards and final silicon.

    As for the multi-threaded software, there are a lot of dual-threaded applications, but there are no four threads optimized desktop apps. Having 8 threads and a incredible bandwidth, Nehalem will shine in multi socket environment. IMO, a dual socket Nehalem will compete against a quad socket Barcelona server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perkam View Post
    Unless ofcourse Intel will make these 2P and 4P exclusively at launch, you should be able to get a Nehalie for $999 and a mobo for $250 so $1,250 is a much better estimate.

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    Bloomsfield should be in the 400-500$ range and up. And I´m sure they want to sell all those at launch. Else 2P servers can usually be gotten for 250-300$ for the "lowend".

    Its first the sub 400-500$ chips that will come later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi View Post
    I just want DDR2 to finally die
    Ye, and take PCI, Parallel, ATA, Serial, PS2, Floppy etc with it. Its abit sad to see brand new boards with some 35-40 year old hangaround tech on it
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    Wow, these benchmarks looks great. Can't wait. Dual cpu's with 16 threads would help 3dmark scores
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shintai View Post
    Bloomsfield should be in the 400-500$ range and up. And I´m sure they want to sell all those at launch. Else 2P servers can usually be gotten for 250-300$ for the "lowend".

    Its first the sub 400-500$ chips that will come later.
    wishful dreaming! with that price policy Intel would effectively kill it Highend Yorkies, and that simply will not happen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedjo View Post
    wishful dreaming! with that price policy Intel would effectively kill it Highend Yorkies, and that simply will not happen!
    Still making up fud?

    Its no different from 65 vs 45nm etc. You seem desperate to makeup alot of crap. Its a rough time lately?

    Intel wants to sell a new highend part. And it would be a Nehalem. Did Q9300 also instantly make Q6600 worthless? Oe QX6850 vs QX9650? In the end of the day Intel just cash in a new 1000$
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