New Phenom Developments and 45nm "Stars" Cores

[SocketMan]

Great find Informal!
I put my mouth (and maybe the money too)
on the 9950,since AMD has a history of improving
their CPU's with new batches/steppings.
As for the future: how about a "star city'
an AM3-desktop Opty, and some smart mobo
maker to put out a dual socket baby. Pretty sure that DDR3 support is already "in". (unofficially)
I am still waiting for the mobile K10's to hit the streets
btw MSI calles Phenoms k9, sick dogs
get your sh.t in one piece.

[eleeter]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Same. I have a very hard time understanding how a new SB will give an existing chip higher stable clocks. Maybe a slight increase only.

And even if it did give 300-400 Mhz more (which I HIGHLY doubt) the thermals will still be a major problem. Phenom at above 3Ghz really pumps out the heat.

45nm Phenom's are a different story, who knows how they will clock. Traditionally, AMD's new process clocks slower than their previous on average, and it takes time for AMD to ramp up things.

[Particle]

I imagine that heat is going to end up being our limiting factor. It quite possibly plays a big role even now. If the chip is sucking down a max of 140W in worst-case at 2.6GHz or 125W at 2.5GHz, imagine what our chips at 3GHz+ are pulling (worst-case, once again). A CPU's efficiency is near 0%, after all. A CPU produces no light, no sound, no locomotion, etc. It almost all escapes as heat. That's a lot of heat to contend with, as we're all well-aware of right now.

[Sparky]

I imagine that heat is going to end up being our limiting factor. It quite possibly plays a big role even now. If the chip is sucking down a max of 140W in worst-case at 2.6GHz or 125W at 2.5GHz, imagine what our chips at 3GHz+ are pulling (worst-case, once again). A CPU's efficiency is near 0%, after all. A CPU produces no light, no sound, no locomotion, etc. It almost all escapes as heat. That's a lot of heat to contend with, as we're all well-aware of right now.

FWIW my opteron 165 when overclocked at 2.8GHz was close to 180W and kept cool enough with a larger air cooler (could keep it low 50's load). 140W+ isn't unmanageable. 3+GHz though I wonder how much juice the phenom will take... I think the 45nm shrink plus the different process should help drop that power consumption though.

[G0ldBr1ck]

My money is on the SB750. practicly everyone with a SB600/790fx board hit practicly the same OC limit on the phenoms. just hard to believe that all phenoms are exactly the same so most likely the South bridge.

[DRT-Maverick]

I hope they haev some SB600 & 790FX updates, I can't afford to update my mobo for awhile.

[Brother Esau]

My money is on the SB750. practicly everyone with a SB600/790fx board hit practicly the same OC limit on the phenoms. just hard to believe that all phenoms are exactly the same so most likely the South bridge.

Its not just the CPU's its the Limiting factor of the Motherboards as well.
Personally it only stood to reason for me to believe right from the start that AMD First Motherboard as well as their first CPU would not be Mature 939 material that we were all used to.

New Architecture is new Architecture and it is prone to growing pains just like breaking in a new pair of dress shoes

This is why I don't lean on this Board and CPU like most do but then again this is the reason more then likely that I do not experience any of these problems either. I just realize you cannot make a 400 Horse Power Engine do 600 Horse Power its just logic allot do not seem to grasp this!

[Daveburt714]

This is why I don't lean on this Board and CPU like most do but then again this is the reason more then likely that I do not experience any of these problems either. I just realize you cannot make a 400 Horse Power Engine do 600 Horse Power its just logic allot do not seem to grasp this!

Yup... And if you do get that many horses out of it, expect the life span of an NHRA Dragster, NOT and Indy car...

[awdrifter]

Just like engines though, the K10 is like the F20C, it's maxed out from the factory, you won't get much more out of it, but the Core 2's are like the LS1, bolt ons, cam and a tune and you're at 400hp.

[d4d4cH]

Yup... And if you do get that many horses out of it, expect the life span of an NHRA Dragster, NOT and Indy car...

well...so far i wasnt able to extract even 401 horsepower, so labeling it black edition was totally misleading by amd

[Rammsteiner]

well...so far i wasnt able to extract even 401 horsepower, so labeling it black edition was totally misleading by amd

You've like a plate in front of your face? You said this in like 2 other threads in here, and I told you twice now that AMD didnt mislead anyboy because they DID sell a Black Edition. The one and only feature the Black Edition gives is unlocked multipliers, no more, no less.

Take a look at Athlon X2 Black Editions, they dont OC any better than there non Black Edition parts.

Phenom ATM clocks for 99% crap, and we'll see how and if this changes by SB750. Please, that little bit of patience, how hard is that. Especially since it's the third time I told you this.

I cant OC my Phenom either, you dont hear me complain. Im just patiently waiting for a better chipset. If that doesnt solve it (enough), Ill get another Phenom. In the end no OC is guaranteed and it's like a lottery. However, sometimes this lottery is very in our favor and the chance you get a bad clocker is very small (look at Opterons, Windsors, Intel etc). And sometimes this chance of a bad clocker is a bit larger.

So what, it's all about the fun in the end. Sometimes frustrating, but fun most of the times. At this moment Im running it stock, it's a little drawback when running mostly single threaded programs compared to my X2 which ran 3.5Ghz, but well. It does the job and while waiting for SB750 Ive some fun playing games. Enjoy life, dont go em0 over such things.

[SkullCracka]

AMD is very tight on info. so if there saying this then i believe it.

So cant wait. will be great.

Dont know about other but i am very happy with my perfomance on my set up. even at stock. allthough i do run mine @ 2.9ghz in vista 64 and 3.1ghz when i boot up in XPpro <<< wich is not very often.

[SocketMan]

I don't know why so many people are whining and biatching about how Phenom
this and Phenom that. Take a 6400+ Athlon for example , you set it to
3.6 ghz (max for most) and they're go to heaven, it's a freaking dream come true, than the same people would take the 9850 and get it up 3.0ghz (average)
and that's not enough they need more.
In the first case the OC is 400mhz, in the second 500mhz ,where is the freaking problem here?

Another example:
I have a 939 Toledo 4400+ at work, the price was about 300 CAD at the time.
That CPU will not go over 2.50 no matter what.
I also have a 165 Opteron, which is basically the same chip with 2 "minor"
differences: The price was 115 CAD and it over clocks to 3.00ghz with less than stock volts, the point being give AMD some time the same Phenoms in a year or so would be just like that Opty was in comparison to the Toledo.

[bldegle2]

Jeesh, ever since I got the Prometia (now in semi retirement) I have been hovering around 3 gig/3gig+ with all the issues that AMD has put out in the last several years, they are kinda stuck in a rut. Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less, at least when I was using it, I felt like I was getting some free MHZ feeling a little ahead of the AIR curve, usually a good 200 to 300+ MHZ on the total clockage.

I will agree though, a 6400+ @3.5/3.6, running a 64bit OS (I prefer XP Pro 64) and mucho ramski (I got 8gig in the test bench unit), it doesn't get much better at present for AMD stuffs....I can't think of anything I do at present that requires more than two cores, that will change I am sure as programs and automatic affinity comes into play....

If the new 750 Southbridge is all it is hyped to be (it is all hype to me right now), then maybe there is hope. 45nm may work well, but given the recent AMD track record, I ain't holdin' my breath....

Laterzzzz......

[XxPuNTeRxX]

Neat, I know that the Sun Micro crowd have been verry pleased with the Phenom as of yet. Cant wait 'till the this next generation becomes available for home users