The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

[Nuckin_Futs]

New problems with my MF on mF1004 and back to 65nm CPU. I jusr removed my new Q9450 to go back to E6750 for more testing. I did leave mobo socket open all day so may have got dust in socket or something because I didn't do anything othet then remove Q9450 and mount E6750 to same mobo/RAM on BETA BIOS 1004 wich had worked fine with each E6750, Q6600 and just recently Q9450 and now I have weird issues. System had lots of DET_RAM issues and even w/ swapped out OCZ Platinum (wich have worked in every ASUS mobo I had for past 3 yrs.

Two things were happening. 1st, I can poke around in CMOS for so long before BIOS would just lock up, cant change anything. This happened on various profiles even auto and default. Next after doing that for a few times, it then locked in a looped cycle of restarts, intermediate power off, pause, then attempt to power on and just as PWR and aux fans start to spin, it restarts and does this for several times (10+) then hangs on DET_RAM again.

I eventually got the failed checkrom menue but wasnt prepared so had to get PSP and Afudos to flash. So I figured I'd go for new 1201 since I had to flash. It was just as bad in the DET_RAM issues and hit or miss if it'd let me enter CMOS. looped restart was gone for now.

I decided to go back to 1004 since I knew it had worked before (same exact file I got few months back to use) and back to same thing again. Hanging at CPU_INT and restarting.

Anybody willing to repond to my question? Even if just an idea.

Thankx in advance if so.

[HDPC]

Hi guys,

I am going to get 8GB of memory for my system. What do you think of these? G.SKILL F2-8500CL5D-4GBPI PC2-8500 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1066 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit
or
Patriot Extreme Viper PVS24G8500ELKR2 4GB 2X2GB PC2-8500 DDR2-1066 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Memory Kit
or
Mushkin Ascent PC2-8500 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1066 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit
or
Corsair XMS2 Dominator TWIN2X4096-9136C5DF 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1142 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Memory Kit W/ Fan

Anyone recommend any others?

-hdpc

[AquaRelliux]

4x1GB should run at 1081 5-5-5-15-3-55-6-3 rather nicely.

Still not stable it runs Prime for 10 hours but then it hangs in wow after like 1 hour gaming.... I dont know wtf to do to get it stable it runs nice on 800mhz 4-4-4-12 cpu in 400x8

This is the settings:

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A : +250
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B : +250
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 5

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto

Write to PRE Delay : Auto
Read to PRE Delay : Auto
PRE to PRE Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Boost lvl: 7

All this here is disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.23750(yes it is stable 100% prime 10 hours and gaming 5 hours with 2x1gb ram it drops to 1.216v load)
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
North Bridge Voltage : 1.65
DRAM Voltage : 2.14(Everest says 2.19v)
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.38(Everest says 1.28 is this accurate btw? I heard 1.4v could kill it and I dont want that)
South Bridge Voltage : 1.50
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : Auto(Tried 0.67x but crashed in boot then and I heard before u should leave this on auto for 45nm cpus)
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2-REF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2-REF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

[Talonman]

Hi guys,

I am going to get 8GB of memory for my system. What do you think of these? G.SKILL F2-8500CL5D-4GBPI PC2-8500 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1066 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit
or
Patriot Extreme Viper PVS24G8500ELKR2 4GB 2X2GB PC2-8500 DDR2-1066 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Memory Kit
or
Mushkin Ascent PC2-8500 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1066 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit
or
Corsair XMS2 Dominator TWIN2X4096-9136C5DF 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1142 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Memory Kit W/ Fan

Anyone recommend any others?

-hdpc

My favorite RAM for the Maximus:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

My 8GB is still running just fine...

I think the Maximus does better with 5-5-5-15 RAM, rather than with running 5-5-5-12 RAM. (Especially if running 8GB's)

[HDPC]

My favorite RAM for the Maximus:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

My 8GB is still running just fine...

I think the Maximus does better with 5-5-5-15 RAM, rather than with running 5-5-5-12 RAM. (Especiall if running 8GB's)

Thanks Talonman. I have looking at them right now.

-hdpc

[Nuckin_Futs]

OK, so it's been a few months now. Who can say they found a worthy 2x 2g RAM kit to hold 1151 - 1200MHz on our MF? Any new resualts on the OCZ FLEX II for above rated 1151MHz?

[Cob]

Has anyone else with a Q9450 found that settings that work from a cold boot won't even boot XP from a reboot?

[theonlybabyface]

My favorite RAM for the Maximus:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

My 8GB is still running just fine...

I think the Maximus does better with 5-5-5-15 RAM, rather than with running 5-5-5-12 RAM. (Especiall if running 8GB's)

I have to second that ram choice. Works flawless on the Maximus...

[Flasker]

OK, so it's been a few months now. Who can say they found a worthy 2x 2g RAM kit to hold 1151 - 1200MHz on our MF? Any new resualts on the OCZ FLEX II for above rated 1151MHz?

I've been using the 2 x 2GB Flex II for a couple of weeks now, my set works well to 1200MHz and a little more if I really push them.
You absolutely need the Rampage BIOS to run them that fast, without the option to adjust clock skew they would not climb over 1100MHz.

[Leithfield]

I've been using the 2 x 2GB Flex II for a couple of weeks now, my set works well to 1200MHz and a little more if I really push them.
You absolutely need the Rampage BIOS to run them that fast, without the option to adjust clock skew they would not climb over 1100MHz.

Can you please share the settings you use in the Rampage bios for this RAM; cheers.

[AquaRelliux]

Can you please share the settings you use in the Rampage bios for this RAM; cheers.

I would like to see them all to tbh

[Flasker]

Can you please share the settings you use in the Rampage bios for this RAM; cheers.

I would like to see them all to tbh

Here's several ss of the Flex II @ 1200MHz, different FSB/strap/dividers.
Running 4Gb @ this speed on the Maximus/Rampage comes down to NB stability, you may have to adjust the skew and/or NB voltage differently. It all depends on how good your NB is and the FSB your trying to run.









This the set up for 400 x 9.5 on the 266 strap, but you can use whatever you need to for your CPU, the important thing is the timings and the skew.

[wadec22]

ok guys, first, I just installed my maximus formula(from abit ip35-e) and have the rampage bios installed. have not re-installed vista, everything seems to be okay without a fresh install.

first question: speedfan is jacked, all over the place. is this b/c i'm running rampage bios on maximus or b/c i need a fresh os install?

second question: if speedfan just has trouble b/c of the bios, what temp monitor program should i use? i was using core temp for cpu cores and speedfan for pwm and northbridge.

lastly: what are the actual benefits of running the rampage bios on the maximus?

thanks! you have no idea how excited i am about the board. my q6600 g0 was limited to a 3.42 on my abit ip35-e with a hot pwm and northbridge with only 1.395 bios volts to get there. hoping to change all that.

[Flasker]

I've never used Speedfan

The Rampage BIOS adds a number of adjustments over the Maximus, like skew and easy PL setting.

[OVERK|LL]

OK, somebody needs to explain this, if possible:

With Rampage conversion:


Flashed back to Maximus:


Settings are the same?????

[aicjofs]

You should have compared chipset settings between versions in Everest as well.

It's more then likely a advanced memory timing that has changed. I mentioned earlier in the thread the fact the they changed Tref from 0308 to0401 rampage BIOS which made 0401 bandwidth less for example. I would assume this or another timing is different from the maximus to rampage you tried.

That is pretty significant and judging by latency I would say it's not Tref, but Trd(Performance Level). What was your transaction booster settings for each BIOS(i.e Performace level, boost level)

Post a screenshot of the chipset tab of Everest.

[OVERK|LL]

You should have compared chipset settings between versions in Everest as well.

It's more then likely a advanced memory timing that has changed. I mentioned earlier in the thread the fact the they changed Tref from 0308 to0401 rampage BIOS which made 0401 bandwidth less for example. I would assume this or another timing is different from the maximus to rampage you tried.

That is pretty significant and judging by latency I would say it's not Tref, but Trd(Performance Level)

Post a screenshot of the chipset tab of Everest.

I'll go take a shot, do the flash to Rampage, and do the same.

Thanks for your input! It had me a bit concerned as I'm sure you can imagine! I thought it was pretty significant too

-Chris

[OVERK|LL]

I'll go take a shot, do the flash to Rampage, and do the same.

Thanks for your input! It had me a bit concerned as I'm sure you can imagine! I thought it was pretty significant too

-Chris

OK, it was definitely Performance Level, it was on 8 on the Rampage by default, and 5 on the Maximus. There is one other setting, it's Read Delay Phase Adjust, but I cannot seem to find it in the BIOS. On Maximus it's +1, on Rampage it's Neutral currently, and I'm still seeing about 100MB/sec slower on Rampage....

[aicjofs]

Read delay phase adjust I would think is the pull in's under transaction booster in Rampage BIOS.

I have to look at notes real quick. I have been working on the 780i for last week and the Perfomance Level Pull In's are slipping my mind right now....Nvidia chipset on my mind not Intel

[OVERK|LL]

Read delay phase adjust I would think is the pull in's under transaction booster in Rampage BIOS.

I have to look at notes real quick. I have been working on the 780i for last week and the Perfomance Level Pull In's are slipping my mind right now....Nvidia chipset on my mind not Intel

Yup, definitely. I enabled pull-in on all of them, which gave me +7T and it's now 100MB/sec faster than the Maximus was. It did manage to hit 8606 on one test, but I foolishly didn't save it.

So, here's what we started out with:

Maximus:


Rampage:



And then after pulling in those settings:



Now I guess I need to run memtest on it...... Verify she's "safe"

[philbrown23]

so nobody knows if this is will work for the maximus extreme?? I'm not sure because it's a ddr3 board and the rampage is ddr2?? anyone?!?!?

[aicjofs]

Now I guess I need to run memtest on it...... Verify she's "safe"

Heh...see you didn't need my help at all you got it all figured out.

I'm suprised you were able to pull in all of the phases despite the low FSB, usually you only pull in one or two, if you pulled all of them in you bascially have changed the performance level to 4. If it's unstable for some reason go back and pull in less phases. Everyone keeps asking what the difference is between the Rampage and Formula BIOS and really you just played with it. Setting performance level directly without having to do the math of strap/transaction booster enable-disable/boost level in maximus and the abilty to adjust pull in directly.

Looking at you settings some other little tweaks to try are

Write Recovery Twr to 11 at least lower to 12
Read to Precharge Trtp to 4 maybe even 3
Write to Precharge Twtp to 11 at least lower to 12
Tref to 16383 should add a little more to your bandwidth

[aicjofs]

so nobody knows if this is will work for the maximus extreme?? I'm not sure because it's a ddr3 board and the rampage is ddr2?? anyone?!?!?

What are you asking exactly? Will what work?

[Dostoyevsky77]

OK, somebody needs to explain this, if possible:
With Rampage conversion:
(SNIP!)
Flashed back to Maximus:
(SNIP!)
Settings are the same?????

What BIOS revision was you using for the RF? Assuming 0403 and 1201 for MF, I am unable to replicate your situation. Can you explain what your PL was and if you had any pull-ins? And what are you using now for transaction booster? What are/were your clock twister settings?

[TAOTAO161]

hi all,

There is some opinion on the two new bios, that on ASUS site ?

1.
Maximus Formula 1102 Bios
Fixed it can not enter the setup of some PCI-Express SATAII RAID Card

2.
Maximus Formula 1201 Bios
Improve Memory compatibility

the 2 is a BETA.

i use 1004, the new BIOS worth the update ?