Explain?Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
As far as I know they where the best drivers, until Cat 8.5.
Cat 8.5 adress those performance and add some more performance and as far as I see no problems.
Or you are posting that just to give excuses? Come on, don´t made up invalid arguments.
From cat 8.3 -> Cat 8.5 there are huge improvements em performance and stability. Yes, lots of stability problems and bugs are gone. Read the release notes please.
The GTX 260 at $449 will be 25-30% more expensive than the 4870, and will need to be just as much faster to justify the price, as it brings with it no architectural, power or cooling advantages over the 4870. Not to mention that the 4870's memory bandwith will be higher than the GTX 260 if its GDDR5 Memory frequencies are high enough and will have overclockable shaders just like the GTX, so the 260 will not be amazingly more powerful.
Both cards should overclock well and though Nvidia has historically provided more headroom, this will be the first batches of the 200 series from Nvidia while ATI has been tinkering with the R600 based architecture for years now.
Hence my comment in the preceding post
Perkam
Doubt it, I reckon it should be pretty smooth with one card going by that chart, 2 x GTX280 will own it...
If you take into account that you may be able to get a 4870 which is supposed to be slightly faster than the 3870 X2 and will be much more consistant, for $300.2x 4870s for the same price as a GTX280 and without taking in account the fact that those benchmarks will be much lower in real unbiased circumstances, you might have great performance from ATI for $600...
Many people here doesn't want or need to justify the cards' prize. They only care about FPS. For them NV is the way to go. Overclock? Then the 4870 will be faster, and the GTX 260 will be faster too, so it will be the same again. And you don't really know how fast are them. You like estimating perfomance of the upcoming cards, but I will tell you again: it's useless. You know NOTHING about how doubling the number of TMUs will affect R600 architecture, and you don't know how and what is improved in the G200 design over G80/G92. Just stop the estimations, wait a few weeks and enjoy the REAL thingThe GTX 260 at $449 will be 25-30% more expensive than the 4870, and will need to be just as much faster to justify the price, as it brings with it no architectural, power or cooling advantages over the 4870. Not to mention that the 4870's memory bandwith will be higher than the GTX 260 if its GDDR5 Memory frequencies are high enough and will have overclockable shaders just like the GTX, so the 260 will not be amazingly more powerful.
Both cards should overclock well and though Nvidia has historically provided more headroom, this will be the first batches of the 200 series from Nvidia while ATI has been tinkering with the R600 based architecture for years now.
Hence my comment in the preceding post
Perkam
G200 is G80 architecture, RV770 is R600 architecture. Both are old (G80 6 months older actually), so that means nothing.
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Original graph from JC:
After some modifications...
Catalyst 8.4:
· A picture is worth a thousand words -> WiC avg FPS.
Catalyst 8.5 :
· Call of Juarez DX10: Performance increases up to 12% on systems containing an ATI Radeon HD 3000
· World in Conflict DX10: Performance increases up to 25% on systems containing an ATI Radeon HD 3800.
· Higher performance gains are noticed on systems contianing an ATI Radeon 3870 X2.
The magic 4870x2 scores in every game 65% more....
such interpolations are worthless.
Since when!? Price to performance never scales evenly when compairing top end cards. If you spend extra on a card expecting that to be the case, you bill be dissapointed every time.
I think he meant that when you take into account the fact that it takes much more, power puts out more heat, etc. that it better scale a lot better than previous cards where 20% more cost might net you only 10% more performance
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Woot! +70% on ALL bars?!!Original graph from JC:
After some modifications...
Catalyst 8.4:
· A picture is worth a thousand words -> WiC avg FPS.
Catalyst 8.5 :
· Call of Juarez DX10: Performance increases up to 12% on systems containing an ATI Radeon HD 3000
· World in Conflict DX10: Performance increases up to 25% on systems containing an ATI Radeon HD 3800.
· Higher performance gains are noticed on systems contianing an ATI Radeon 3870 X2.
Brilliant, this graph will find its way to theinquirer next week.
Last edited by OnLine; 05-31-2008 at 04:39 PM.
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Fore sure !Woot! +70% on ALL bars?!!
Brilliant, this graph will find its way to theinquirer next week.
omfg; actual perf. results? i must be dreaming.
Last edited by adamsleath; 05-31-2008 at 05:41 PM.
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Wow, I'm glad you found a money tree and have unlimited money! Even to the wealthy, cost is always a concern. Just LOL at the thought of not caring about the cost of the card but only the performance for a normal-level consumer... you're way out of synch with how the world works.
Well, not too bad.The magic 4870x2 scores in every game 65% more....
such interpolations are worthless.
Call of Duty and UT3 are where crossfire worked splendidly. The 4870 should be close to those numbers, maybe even more considering nVidia cherry picked the numbers (Call of Juarez without AA, so obvious)
And in DX10 titles where scaling isn't so good, the 4870 is probably gonna be better still. Plus, Catalyst 8.3 = LOL.
8.6 fixes the DX10 speed even more I think
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Person 1: But ours will cost less.
and the thread continues...
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haha ; the tip of an iceberg re performance results.
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Did you notice this?: "Many people here..."
Hope you understand that I'm not included there. But if you do I don't really care.
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As mentioned before, I would not be surprised if the high end parts will be launched with high prices. In marketing its sa standard practice to use "Market skimming" to introduce top of the line products.
Market penetration on the other hand is applicable if you are introducing value line products. For who people complain about launch prices, better wait for a couple of months for prices to drop or wait a little longer for a die shrink.
It is a known fact that there are people who are price sensitive (like $2-3 price delta is a deal breaker for some) while there are others who are not price sensitive.
From experience if the person really wants to get his "wants" prices will mean nothing. I've have no qualms spending much on hardware, but buying a shirt or pants worth $10 to $20 can be a real PITA for me.
Bottomline, every product has its own market. If you can't afford it yet, just wait for it to be within your reach and not bad mouth the company for selling the products at a high price during launch.
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That's actually a serious underestimate.The magic 4870x2 scores in every game 65% more....
such interpolations are worthless.
HD 4870 X2 should be ~2x HD 3870 X2 in performance judging from rumors. It has 50% more shaders plus much higher shader clock, plus double the number of texture units (serious bottleneck in R600).
Plus those are old drivers, so some of those games will perform 10-20% on the HD 3870 X2 already.
Right, "many" people have money trees now you're saying? Cool, where can I get one too?
dont get drawn into that shyte. you dont want to pay that much, then dont. no-one's twisting your arm.
i'll take a couple of free 280's.
ta.
280's are a niche market, and unit volume sales wont be as high as other segments; who cares?
what im interested in is the 45nm die shrink in 1-2 years time that costs 150bucks
Last edited by adamsleath; 05-31-2008 at 07:50 PM.
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I think you are on a dreaming trip
If its 50% faster you should be lucky. Still same amount of ROPs etc.
Sounds like the old "R600 GTX killer" all again. Currently AMD products the last 2 years seems to have been hyped to the sky, just to fail so hard compared to the hype on release day.
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HuH?I think you are on a dreaming trip
If its 50% faster you should be lucky. Still same amount of ROPs etc.
If RV770XT is roughly about the performance of a 3870x2, you think R700 is only 50% faster than 3870x2? I thinking you are the one dreaming...
I love the fact you bring up the number of ROPs again. Hop off the misinformation train, please.
Instead of touching your e-p33ns togther...why dont you post links to what you (both) say??? Would a link to some facts of which you speak help your case out or do you (both) prefer to argue?
Has R600 been out 2 years? I thought its debut was May 15th 07?
Besides, the X1900 series was a damn solid card. If it didnt have the performance crown over the 7900 series, it had notably better by most IQ.
Last edited by jas420221; 06-01-2008 at 12:29 AM.
You're right! And when RV770 is finally out you'll see how amazing progress in terms of performance and consumption has AMD achieved in just one year!!
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