The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

[Grnfinger]

Not blaming a specific bios, just blaming the whole motherboard. Have tried 0308, 0401 and the last 0403. And same issues are showing.
But this is only when the computer is overclocked.
Will try the trD trick and see if it works better ^^

post your setup and maybe someone can make suggestions.
wrong trd will definately give you a det dram hang

set it to 7-8 and you should post then, unless your running very high fsb then you might need 9

[scottath]

What about the lack of 2 extra eSATA on another J-Micron crontroller? Does this show up as a grayed out option or just not there?

Haven't looked for it really, but i believe that it just isn't there, haven't noticed any greyed out sata options

[Lestat]

Err..if you are talking about the switch on the mobo, it just allows you to reset the BIOS from the back CMOS clear switch?? Why would you have to remove the vid card to press the back button clear switch??

the rear switch isnt the same as the switch on the board,
the board switch is a clear cmos,, the one on the back is just a safe boot setting and it doesnt work 98% of the time.


yes i am using 4x 1gb sticks just like i said i was...

i also lose my bluetooth adapter for my mouse and keyboard so i cant even use it
if the system does boot windwos wont even use it, windwos has to reinstall all the usb devised and for some fracking reason cant find any bluetooth drivers.
its like it totally fuxors the entire USB system of the motherboard.

[cadaveca]

@ things affect USB stability, same issues you describe...chipset volts, and FSB volts. You can tell whne USB is problematic, as boot will get faster as you clock up, but when USB is affected, boot will take slightly longer, although problems will not be apparant immediately. Happens both with dual cores and quads, near max FSB, which of course differs from cpu to cpu. If you are running into this issue, you need X48....mobo is holding you back.

[chawks2]

the board switch is a clear cmos,, the one on the back is just a safe boot setting and it doesnt work 98% of the time.

The CLR CMOS button on the back of my MRF resets my BIOS 100% of the time.

[Lestat]

@ things affect USB stability, same issues you describe...chipset volts, and FSB volts. You can tell whne USB is problematic, as boot will get faster as you clock up, but when USB is affected, boot will take slightly longer, although problems will not be apparant immediately. Happens both with dual cores and quads, near max FSB, which of course differs from cpu to cpu. If you are running into this issue, you need X48....mobo is holding you back.

never had this issue.... EVER..
and i have verified this is 100% surrounding 1201 bios... looks like i am going back to 0401 or whatever it was i had previously.
i'll live with the "DET DRAM" issue as i can fix that just by swapping out the ram this usb crap is exactly that,, crap,, its really screwing up all my usb stuff.

USB isnt effected by voltages either, i just want to make that quite clear.
and i am not trying to knock you or anyone, but you'd know this if you'd been around long enough.
the only thing known to kick out USB devices would be if the pci bus freq is not locked at 33mhz when your overclocking totally wacked out ACPI and IRQ handling of the bios.

i have seen similar things before, long time ago with some wacko mobo's that didnt have a PCI freq. lock. but i havent seen it for a really long time.

i can take the ram back to 2 gigs and the same crap happens.....

oh well,, 1201 didnt give me anything new except the stupid DET DRAM wasnt happening all the time, it was still happening but powering off and powering back on made it boot into the bios safe mode so i could make the changes i needed.

was also getting BSOD and Reboots in XP and vista64...

oh well,, no skin off my back to rever back to an older bios...

wont do any good to tell ASUS either cuz they will just blame my hardware and not their flakey bios(s).

[cadaveca]

Maybe you should be digging into what held X38 back, why they respun. Take a look at how many X38 boards have USB issues..It's not just ASUS. X48 delay controlled?

You don't even know how the CMOS switch works(try reading the manual for enlightenment), so your opinion doesn't look too reliable..

[ante_ante]

This is what i´m running right now. First time boot today i got vga bios again and the computer shut down. Second try windows wouldn´t boot. Then the third try and weeee, windows worked.

[Eastcoasthandle]

This is what i´m running right now. First time boot today i got vga bios again and the computer shut down. Second try windows wouldn´t boot. Then the third try and weeee, windows worked.

I've only read this post so I am not sure what else you have tried. However, it sounds to me that you need a bit more voltage for your northbridge. Try 1.51V and see if things improve. Also, leave NB GTL Reference to Auto and see if that improves stability as well.

[Zucker2k]

Maybe you should be digging into what held X38 back, why they respun. Take a look at how many X38 boards have USB issues..It's not just ASUS. X48 delay controlled?

You don't even know how the CMOS switch works(try reading the manual for enlightenment), so your opinion doesn't look too reliable..

I said this several pages ago; the main reason why the x38 chipset was re-released as x48 was because of a USB bug. Motherboard makers were supposed to have a work-around fix for it. Looks like they haven't necessarily done so in all cases.

[Grnfinger]

never had this issue.... EVER..
and i have verified this is 100% surrounding 1201 bios... looks like i am going back to 0401 or whatever it was i had previously.
i'll live with the "DET DRAM" issue as i can fix that just by swapping out the ram this usb crap is exactly that,, crap,, its really screwing up all my usb stuff.

USB isnt effected by voltages either, i just want to make that quite clear.
and i am not trying to knock you or anyone, but you'd know this if you'd been around long enough.
the only thing known to kick out USB devices would be if the pci bus freq is not locked at 33mhz when your overclocking totally wacked out ACPI and IRQ handling of the bios.

i have seen similar things before, long time ago with some wacko mobo's that didnt have a PCI freq. lock. but i havent seen it for a really long time.

i can take the ram back to 2 gigs and the same crap happens.....

oh well,, 1201 didnt give me anything new except the stupid DET DRAM wasnt happening all the time, it was still happening but powering off and powering back on made it boot into the bios safe mode so i could make the changes i needed.

was also getting BSOD and Reboots in XP and vista64...

oh well,, no skin off my back to rever back to an older bios...

wont do any good to tell ASUS either cuz they will just blame my hardware and not their flakey bios(s).

I am also just recently experiencing a USB problem, PC will boot fine ( or appears to be fine) But once Vista is loaded if I plug any USB thumb drive in my CPU usage goes to 60% and my mouse goes nuts, no control over it .
I have re installed Vista, didnt use the Asus mobo disk and installed the latest NB ans SB drivers from Intel, also installed the latest Matrix storage manager. So far it would seem the issue is gone. The Det dram hang is easy to resolve.
Here is a link to OCZ's trd calculator ( Tony did a nice job of explaining everything) it should help rid you of the det dram

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=36360

I said this several pages ago; the main reason why the x38 chipset was re-released as x48 was because of a USB bug. Motherboard makers were supposed to have a work-around fix for it. Looks like they haven't necessarily done so in all cases.

I must have missed that post, I seem to having a little usb issue of my own lately.
are you still running a rampage bios or did you conclude it was no benifit to the Maximus bios?
I am debating on returning to a Maximus bios now

[Talonman]

Do it buddy!!

We need more pure blood Maximus boy's around here!

[Zucker2k]

I am also just recently experiencing a USB problem, PC will boot fine ( or appears to be fine) But once Vista is loaded if I plug any USB thumb drive in my CPU usage goes to 60% and my mouse goes nuts, no control over it .
I have re installed Vista, didnt use the Asus mobo disk and installed the latest NB ans SB drivers from Intel, also installed the latest Matrix storage manager. So far it would seem the issue is gone. The Det dram hang is easy to resolve.
Here is a link to OCZ's trd calculator ( Tony did a nice job of explaining everything) it should help rid you of the det dram

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=36360



I must have missed that post, I seem to having a little usb issue of my own lately.
are you still running a rampage bios or did you conclude it was no benifit to the Maximus bios?
I am debating on returning to a Maximus bios now

I haven't bothered with the latest MF bioses yet (1101? and 1201); I like RF 0403 a lot and I have 3 quads here to play with so I'm going to stick with it. Playing with high fsb here; this is a sweet little chip (vid. 1.2500), sips vcore and should easily do 450x9. I'm liking my other chip tho, (vid. 1.2625) which does 7x500 rock solid stable, and 8x500 everest stability stable. I'm working hard to stabilize that and keep it chiefly because of the high fsb (reached 7x515). It's likes a tad more vcore. I want to see how high this chip will prime stable; so far looking good as I'm running apps and posting from this pc. Screenie:

[Grnfinger]

I haven't bothered with the latest MF bioses yet (1101? and 1201); I like RF 0403 a lot and I have 3 quads here to play with so I'm going to stick with it. Playing with high fsb here; this is a sweet little chip (vid. 1.2500), sips vcore and should easily do 450x9. I'm liking my other chip tho, (vid. 1.2625) which does 7x500 rock solid stable, and 8x500 everest stability stable. I'm working hard to stabilize that and keep it chiefly because of the high fsb (reached 7x515). It's likes a tad more vcore. I want to see how high this chip will prime stable; so far looking good as I'm running apps and posting from this pc. Screenie:

I have returned to a Q6600 aswell, I have a nice VID of 1.225, it will hit 4.0GHz easy and maybe higher I dont know yet.
I cant get my other 2 cores enabled when I run your 500x7 settings

I was thinking on going to a DFI X48 board but after lurking in the DFI thread I see there no better off than us Maximus users, so no point in trading one pos for another

[Zucker2k]

Do it buddy!!

We need more pure blood Maximus boy's around here!

What makes a Maximus, a Maximus? The boot logo? Anyway, I got a screenie for ya!

I have returned to a Q6600 aswell, I have a nice VID of 1.225, it will hit 4.0GHz easy and maybe higher I dont know yet.
I cant get my other 2 cores enabled when I run your 500x7 settings

I was thinking on going to a DFI X48 board but after lurking in the DFI thread I see there no better off than us Maximus users, so no point in trading one pos for another

I got a funny story for ya; run into a pair of DFIs the other day, they wanted some of my Maximus. Long story short, it wasn't pretty. Read down the thread.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...84#post2679184

[ante_ante]

This is what i´m running right now. First time boot today i got vga bios again and the computer shut down. Second try windows wouldn´t boot. Then the third try and weeee, windows worked.

Which is the TRD " Whats the full name for it " ??

[Zucker2k]

I have returned to a Q6600 aswell, I have a nice VID of 1.225, it will hit 4.0GHz easy and maybe higher I dont know yet.
I cant get my other 2 cores enabled when I run your 500x7 settings

Have you tried playing with fsbt/NB. Maybe a little more vcore too? It's difficult to get a quad to run at 500fsb. It must be capable of it, you can't force it to, save for extreme cooling of processor/chipsets in some cases. I have a quad here with a vid of 1.3125 which also does 500fsb. So it's more cpu related than anything else. Coincidentally, there all these 500fsb capable cpus have something in common: low last 4 digits wafer numbers. I understand the first 2 figures are the X axis, last 2, Y axis (all from center).

processor 1: L741A941. Vid.: 1.2500v 4 Digit Wafer #: 0475
processor 2: L741A941. Vid.: 1.2625v 4 Digit Wafer #: 0238
processor 3: L746B022. Vid.: 1.3125v 4 Digit Wafer #: 0870

Bear in my mind that these numbers are supposed to go all the way to 99 for each axis. So it seems the closer the numbers are to 00 (center) on the X axis, the higher the fsb they are capable of running at. My 2 cents.

[Grnfinger]

Have you tried playing with fsbt/NB. Maybe a little more vcore too? It's difficult to get a quad to run at 500fsb. It must be capable of it, you can't force it to, save for extreme cooling of processor/chipsets in some cases. I have a quad here with a vid of 1.3125 which also does 500fsb. So it's more cpu related than anything else. Coincidentally, there all these 500fsb capable cpus have something in common: low last 4 digits wafer numbers. I understand the first 2 figures are the X axis, last 2, Y axis (all from center).

processor 1: L741A941. Vid.: 1.2500v 4 Digit Wafer #: 0475
processor 2: L741A941. Vid.: 1.2625v 4 Digit Wafer #: 0238
processor 3: L746B022. Vid.: 1.3125v 4 Digit Wafer #: 0870

Bear in my mind that these numbers are supposed to go all the way to 99 for each axis. So it seems the closer the numbers are to 00 (center) on the X axis, the higher the fsb they are capable of running at. My 2 cents.

I didnt up any volts from your settings, I will play around today and see what I can do, While not xtreme my cooling is very good, so heat will not be an issue running 500FSB

[MurderCityDevil]

what divider/fsb are you running? I'm running 8x500fsb with a fsbt of 1.36v; 1.28v (bios set). Also, if your PL is not tight, you can run VNB lower. I'm running 8Gbs with a PL of 9 with VNB @ 1.65v (1.61v bios set).

Edit: I'm running a Q6600. Gotta update my sig. Switched back to Q6600 as I'm done playing with 45nm dual core, and Q9450 sucks on Oc's.

im running 400 divider, 425 fsb...my pl is auto i believe, i only have 2 gigs of ram though.

[WFO]

Just in case you guys aren't following any of the Rampage Formula threads, there is a new chipset driver out on the MSI site. http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...1&prod_no=1393

It's 8.4.0.1018 and identifies itself as an X38/48 driver. FYI. Might or might not resolve USB issues.

[chawks2]

Z, you're a monster! I'm happy to say I was able to get over 510 FSB w/8G on this board, hoping for some more. Yummmmm.

[Furious]

Hi.

Can i get some feedback on my voltages and temps? the board has seemed good so far, 1hr prime and 1hr OCCT.

4-4-4-12 with the RAM @ 890mhz and 1:1.
445fsb x 9
E8400 @ 4ghz

Its not stable without 1.58v for the northbridge as I have 4x1GB sticks of RAM and the CPU is not stable without 1.42V in bios. I have loadline calibration off as I heard somewhere its not worth it, I do figure with it on tho, 1.38V would be enuff. Is 44412 @ 890 better then 55515@1069?

I'm looking for a safe, fast 24/7 setup.

>> http://www.users.on.net/~remlwebb/1hr4ghz.jpg >>

[Grnfinger]

Just in case you guys aren't following any of the Rampage Formula threads, there is a new chipset driver out on the MSI site. http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...1&prod_no=1393

It's 8.4.0.1018 and identifies itself as an X38/48 driver. FYI. Might or might not resolve USB issues.

There is a newer version than that but thanks for the info. I grabbed the latest driver a few days ago. It does seem that the updated chipset drivers have solved all my USB issues, if any others are having problems I would suggest trying the latest drivers.


Thanks to 003 for providing the links

Latest Intel NB http://www.station-drivers.com/page/intel%20chipset.htm

Latest Intel SB http://www.station-drivers.com/page/intel%20raid.htm

Maybe Kup you could add them to main page?

[Zucker2k]

Just in case you guys aren't following any of the Rampage Formula threads, there is a new chipset driver out on the MSI site. http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...1&prod_no=1393

It's 8.4.0.1018 and identifies itself as an X38/48 driver. FYI. Might or might not resolve USB issues.

Nice find; you too Grnfinger.

Z, you're a monster! I'm happy to say I was able to get over 510 FSB w/8G on this board, hoping for some more. Yummmmm.

Nice overclock, but you can push it a bit more... .

im running 400 divider, 425 fsb...my pl is auto i believe, i only have 2 gigs of ram though.

What about GTL? FSBT 1.480v is too much for 425fsb; VNB is a tad high too. You can check PL in Everest/Memset.

[cadaveca]

I said this several pages ago; the main reason why the x38 chipset was re-released as x48 was because of a USB bug. Motherboard makers were supposed to have a work-around fix for it. Looks like they haven't necessarily done so in all cases.

USB* Port Disable: Enables individual USB ports to be enabled or disabled as needed. This feature provides added protection of data by preventing malicious removal or insertion of data through USB ports.

http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/x38/index.htm

This is the source of the problem. As chipset voltage increases, it's easy to "miss-trigger" this "functionality", and hence the issues some are having. It's a chipset feature, so raising SB violts as someone mentioned, isn't gonna solve the problem, unfortunately. When you start to trigger this problem, your board is close to it's limit. If it was the SB, then X48 would be suspect of having the same issues, but it does no run into this issue until much higher FSB is attained.