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    [Project] Modded Thermaltake Tidewaters (56k warn)

    I've wanted to do this project for a little while now because there is pretty much no other way to get decent cooling with this motherboard/case combo. I also wanted to really see how far this mobo/cpu would overclock. Finally, 3 years and a new system later, this system is running with good temps and maxxed freqs.

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    Mobo: AOpen i915GMm-HFS
    Case: Silverstone SG-01
    CPU: Pentium M 760 (2GHz)
    RAM: Kingston HyperX DDR2-533

    The system with some of the stuff to go in it:


    Inside the system with air cooling:



    About the Thermaltake Tidewater: I originally purchased this because the air cooler was so poor. This 'all in one' watercooling system was plagued with problems though. First, the blower fan is really really loud.. Thermaltake lied when they said it only generated 25dBa.. more like 35. Second, the pump died after less than a year. So I got the Tidewater plus with 2 waterblocks, for the GPU too. That pump also died. It seems Thermaltake just discontinued the Tidewater series recently.. no traces of it on their website.

    The tidewater units before going under the knife:


    I don't know why they used some non-flexible hoses inside this one, it started leaking when I was taking it apart:


    The two pure copper rads. I realized only after-the-fact that these use smaller-than-1/4" tubing:


    Three nickel-plated copper waterblocks. The rightmost one has poor machining and wasn't used:


    Salvaged 1/4" and smaller-than-1/4" hose clamps:


    The main motivation behind using the Tidewaters (aside from already having them) is the pure copper rads. Even though they are "condenser-style" they still work just fine for the small power dissipation of the Pentium M. Also, the waterblocks, while small, are pure copper and work very well for this project.

    New parts:
    Thermaltake P500 pump
    Swiftech MC-500 reservoir
    Scythe S-Flex 120mm fan for the rads and
    Cheap PVC tubing from the local hardware store.

    All the salvaged and new parts to be used:


    And of course, distilled water:


    The first thing I did when the system was all apart, was pin-mod the CPU socket. By grounding VID5, the voltages between 0.7v and 1.196v are +0.512 (so really they're 1.212v-1708v). The voltages above are normal:


    Mounting the pump and reservoir required creative use of velcro, lol:



    Velcro brand! lol. Came with the res.



    Initial leak testing:


    Out-of-case testing:


    And 4 days later, inside of the case with water cooling. That big fat kink has no effect on the actual temps:



    Closed up:



    The final stable overclock was a bit disappointing at 2.72GHz but it did boot to the bios at 2.9GHz. The CPU voltage there lies, it's actually running at 1.5v:


    Final thoughts:
    The max stable OC went from 2.5GHz to 2.7GHz, pretty poor increase. I was hoping for at least 2.8 but I guess laptop parts can only go so far.

    The temps did lower nicely though. The Pentium M is specced for max 100C, so it can run 70-80C 24/7 without issue. On air it ran foldingathome 24/7 at about 75C, depending alot on ambient temperature. Now it runs it at about 50C. Note though, this is after raising the voltage from 1.356 to 1.452 and the freq from 2.5 to 2.7GHz.

    A note on power consumption: before, it was about 60W, after adding the pump, fan and overclocking, its only 72W. Just about the combined rated power for the pump and fan incl. AC efficiency. Not bad.

    I still haven't put any biocide in the loop yet. I have some lithium hypochlorite here though, for swimming pools. Would this be ok in a milligram amount (1-2mg?) or is it too powerful? There's a big label on it "strong oxidizing agent." If not, what chemicals are good to use for this and how long can I wait before doing it?

    Lastly, about the rads; the tubing in them is so, so small. I wonder if, in this specific situation, running the rads parallel would show better flow/temps. I've read lots of stuff saying not to do this but none of those articles/posts used rads with smaller-than-1/4" tubing.

    What are your thoughts guys?
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    It's definitely a creative solution. Edited my comment, but it's already been quoted, haha. Cooling improvements are substantial. I don't really have a point of reference for how hot that chip should run though, so I can't really comment.





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    I think you should fix that kink, wouldn't be that hard... well maybe in those cramped quarters it would be...

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    @Linus: Thats a really nice Sugo mod. I see you have the sg-01 evolution. I picked mine up 2 months before the evolution was released. Too bad. Also, a big motive for this project was cost. Your mod looks significantly more expensive.

    @Kilyin: I need some anti-kink coils. Don't have any on hand and it doesn't make much sense to order only them from some American shop.. it'll get fixed at some point..
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    Nice job though with the mod. SFF ain't my thing, and I thought you had made it all internal until the last couple pics. The external parts would drive me insane, but I'm crazy like that.

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    Thanks. Yea, I learned how much of a pain SFF systems are to work with when I got this one. That's why my main system now is in a P182. There is a little bit of room inside to mount the radiators with good airflow but that's a project for another day lol. Until then, the fan is silent and the rads are small, so I don't mind .
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    What I dont get is you had 2 TT pumps die on you so you buy another..... thats shows faith or something else........

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    Awesome mod! I might have to do this to WC a northbridge some time in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragger View Post
    What I dont get is you had 2 TT pumps die on you so you buy another..... thats shows faith or something else........
    Yea I didn't buy the third on purpose... It was the only cheap small one I could find (in the whole 20mins of looking lol).. Plus I'll give some merit to the fact that those two were tiny and integrated and RMAing them would be a pain. RMAing this one shouldn't be as hard.. right? 80000hrs.. right? I hope..
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    A ddc would have been a much better bet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chruschef in regards to Thermaltake water cooling
    you'd be better off cooling your components with a fire....

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    are they <=$50?
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    Usually run about 75 or so but they are much better pumps, smaller, and won't spontaneously die on you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chruschef in regards to Thermaltake water cooling
    you'd be better off cooling your components with a fire....

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    Looks good!

    You can fix that kink with a simple zip-tie you know.
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    Kink fixed.. with a ziptie?



    There's two because I was dumb and one is too tight, lol. Thanks smee!
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    Since the tubing in the rads is so small and a HUGE flow-killer, I decided to try the rads in parallel. This was made really easy since the tidewater plus came with two copper 1/4" Y's. It was made even easier by the fact that the smaller-than-1/4" tubing (how big does that look to you guys? its tiny!) fit over the 1/4" Y's. Just barely. No leaks here!


    When the rads were in serial, I had to struggle to fit the 1/4" tubing over the smaller-than-1/4" tubing to get the rads sealed. That kinda sucked. I like this method better .

    Now there's a whole lot more tubing in the loop. It'll be clipped soon.. still a WIP.


    Before completely filling the tube again, I noticed flow was much better out of the rads.

    I don't have any reference images of how it was before, but it basically looked like a very slow line of water the size of the copper tubing in the rads. Now its a much faster line of water, the size of the 1/4" tubing after the Y.

    Changing the rads from a serial to parallel configuration, the temps didn't change at all. Exactly the same. I realized that the water flow is not the limiting factor here. It must be the airflow on the rads. These rads are made for blower fans but blowers are very loud and I don't have any on hand. Moving air through them efficiently with a 120mm fan (ideally anyway, maybe smaller) is the next hurdle to overcome, it seems.
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    make sure u get coolant for ur setup!!!!

    that alu block is not compatible with the copper rad!!!

    for future references ... just avoid the brand thermaltake all together (rad,fan,casing etc)... this greedy conglomerate is just plain profit, profit, profit without actual logic on simplest idea on oxidixation .. i always wonder .. who the hell is working in their R&D?

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    Block is copper.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chruschef in regards to Thermaltake water cooling
    you'd be better off cooling your components with a fire....

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    Yeah the block and rad are copper, but upon closer inspection, there is some exposed solder on the rad. This is most likely exposed inside too. The connectors on the pump are also stainless steel. I'll be getting some anti-corrosive today.

    Picked up some copper sulfate for algae. Not exactly sure how to use this though, since Hound53 mentioned it should be mixed with citric acid. Anyone have experience with this?
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    So I put a old 60mm silverstone (everflow) fan infront of the rads, replacing the 120mm. This works a bit better since it's the correct height now, less air going everywhere else, no need to build a box of some sort to direct flow. Temps only raised 3-4C. I'm also trying an 80mm fan of the same type. This one is good because its the same width as the fins on the rads, but it's a bit too tall. Preliminary temps seem the same as the 60mm. Actual flow through to the other side of the rads seems the same too. Maybe a really high speed 80mm or 2 high speed 60mm's would produce some decent flow through the rads? Anyone know of any good (and quiet!) 60mm/80mm fans I should consider? Or maybe some better (quieter!) blowers than these crap thermaltake ones?

    The 80mm is actually spinning..
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