ATI Radeon HD 4000 Series discussion

[Tim]

Yes, on a crummy 680i?

Yea, and how much in fps will upgrading get me? Zilch, that's why I don't upgrade my motherboard as quickly as my GPU, I don't run superpi, I game.

I find it way more extreme to take max out of the low-end hardware than doing DICE/LN2 runs twice a month with parts which cost +$400 each.

That's got more to do with wallet size then anything else.

[LowRun]

[IMG]
Since when is this Xtreme Budget Systems? Maximum performance is what we need.

There are many ways to be extreme, a lot of them don't involve spending stupid amounts of money

[FischOderAal]

FischOderAal,
Just the version with the pasted GPU is fake. AFAIK, there's no reliable info on what the card with the dummy GPU actually is.

the upper one is RV670, I would be surprised if that one would've been fake

thanks for the Info, then I'll have to keep waiting

maybe I should go for GPU-only watercoolers...

[AliG]

I find it way more extreme to take max out of the low-end hardware than doing DICE/LN2 runs twice a month with parts which cost +$400 each.

why would you get low end hardware? At the worst I would get performance/midrange stuff, and either way that's not exactly extreme. Smart buying and being extreme are two different things.

extreme: "exceeding the bounds of moderation"

While it is smarter to buy things like an 8800gt or 9600gt and e8400 or even amd cpu than a qx9650 and 2 3870x2 for 3dmark benching, that isn't exactly what most people here consider extreme

[AliG]

There are many ways to be extreme, a lot of them don't involve spending stupid amounts of money

I don't think you understand what extreme is though, extreme generally means pushing it unnecessarily further than other people, not being smart about your purchases, that's why it generally does cost lots of money to be extreme

[Tim]

I don't think you understand what extreme is though, extreme generally means pushing it unnecessarily further than other people, not being smart about your purchases, that's why it generally does cost lots of money to be extreme

Thank you for explaining, saves me typing. If everyone had the money to spend, everyone would benching high end hardware, you can't tell me that people don't feel that way.

[AliG]

no problem

The biggest issue I have is that there are people that try to say that you have to buy the most expensive hardware to have a good rig or that you can't spend xx on certain hardware also. There are some situations where the extra $30 can make a huge difference (such as 8800gts 512mb, it can be bought for as low as $160, only like $30 over the cheapest 3870), but also it isn't smart to buy the 8800ultra when the g92 gts outperforms it. Thing is its hard to teach how to understand that balance without letting people make their own mistakes/decisions, I know I learned the hard way myself by not waiting for conroe and going straight to am2, but hey it does what I want and so I'm fine with it for now, besides I think k10.5 will be a great cheap upgrade for me

[Monkeywoman]

RV870 will be on a whole new architecture and the latest insider info revealed that it will have 1000 SP. RV740 is 45nm version of RV730 and will appear by end of the year.

http://bbs.chiphell.com/viewthread.p...extra=page%3D1

WTF is ATI doing? they have to make 2 GFX revisions to compete with the gt200? well, that will mean dirt cheap RV700s!!!!

[LowRun]

I don't think you understand what extreme is though, extreme generally means pushing it unnecessarily further than other people, not being smart about your purchases, that's why it generally does cost lots of money to be extreme

My understanding is perfectly fine thank you, you gave a definition yourself, where does it talk about money... right, nowhere. Some are silence extremists, some are cooling extremists, some are performance extremists, to each his own. Going by your reasoning the noob that buys the expensive stuff and run it stock is extreme while the guy that buys midrange, performs all the vmods and whatnot and blow the noob out of the water performance wise, well this guy is not extreme.

BS

[biohead]

RV870 will be on a whole new architecture and the latest insider info revealed that it will have 1000 SP. RV740 is 45nm version of RV730 and will appear by end of the year.

http://bbs.chiphell.com/viewthread.p...extra=page%3D1

WTF is ATI doing? they have to make 2 GFX revisions to compete with the gt200? well, that will mean dirt cheap RV700s!!!!

this cracks me up, we don't even have consistent info on RV770.

[Piotrsama]

RV870 will be on a whole new architecture and the latest insider info revealed that it will have 1000 SP.

"Leaked" by the same guys that said RV700 had 800SP?

[bedlamite]

Well, this sites adress says everything:
http://bbs.chiphell.com/
bbs = big bulls*** :P
I love these leaked infos.

[prostoman]

this cracks me up, we don't even have consistent info on RV770.

That is why we have a REASON to believe its some fake info. Cant be that we know so little about 700 and almost just as much about 800.

[biohead]

That is why we have a REASON to believe its some fake info. Cant be that we know so little about 700 and almost just as much about 800.

no hablo comprehendo

[AliG]

My understanding is perfectly fine thank you, you gave a definition yourself, where does it talk about money... right, nowhere. Some are silence extremists, some are cooling extremists, some are performance extremists, to each his own. Going by your reasoning the noob that buys the expensive stuff and run it stock is extreme while the guy that buys midrange, performs all the vmods and whatnot and blow the noob out of the water performance wise, well this guy is not extreme.

BS

But see I never said you can't blow the n00b out of the water, but we're not talking about average people here at xs, you're being compared to people that just about all of them know how to oc and what not, and that's why the more expensive hardware can help push people like shamino and kinc towards the world records.

So yes you can be extreme compared to the average person, but I was comparing you to the people here at xs, which that does result in having to spend some more money

[LordEC911]

No, the pcb will be different. I believe this old picture is still the only pcb picture out on the internet.

Fake but it has been rumored that AMD's reference RV770 will use a slightly tweaked RV670 PCB but with better components.

Since when is this Xtreme Budget Systems? Maximum performance is what we need.

Who said anything about budget. We are talking about economics, finances, business strategies, etc. But still, comparing a ~$300 card to a +$600 card is pointless, compare it to the AMD card in the same price range.
Your answer-

seems like everyone is forgetting that the GT280 will have to fight the 4870X2

Wow... So only $300 for the RV770XT, have any proof to back those claims? I thought it's MSRP was $349 which thanks to etailers price gouging is always more than that...

Well with it rumored to be offering better performance than the 9800GTX it would make sense to price it at $350 but I don't see AMD wanting to give up any sales, so they will price them lower.

RV870 will be on a whole new architecture and the latest insider info revealed that it will have 1000 SP. RV740 is 45nm version of RV730 and will appear by end of the year.

http://bbs.chiphell.com/viewthread.p...extra=page%3D1

WTF is ATI doing? they have to make 2 GFX revisions to compete with the gt200? well, that will mean dirt cheap RV700s!!!!

I don't know how many times you have been asked, I know it is more than 5, but please read the thread or at least use the search button.
Also, Jawed was the one who just used 2000 ALU lanes as an example, explaining something else and it looks like certain people wanted to make a rumor out of it.
It is possible though, it is only 1000shaders on each GPU.

Well, this sites adress says everything:
http://bbs.chiphell.com/
bbs = big bulls*** :P
I love these leaked infos.

Chiphell usually has some pretty good information, only because they usually post ANY information/rumor/BS.

[cegras]

I can name quite a few games that could use some more horsepower...







Etc....

Yeah, but all of those games are old, bad, and boring. World in Conflict blew, I hated it, Crysis was a tech demo worth playing once, and Call of Jaurez .. ugh.

Oh, as for Tim's statement about the 256 bus hampering the RV700 .. you haven't been reading this thread or anything concerning ati's new card, have you?

[delewin]

I wonder if AMD will announce an USB version of the 4870.


link

I have 6 USB slots at the rear of my tower PC not being used.

Now, would I have 6 times the speed as being USB, it would run in serial mode?
But, they would be seen as 6 independent multi-core video cards, would this be in SLI or Crossfire mode?

The only problem I see is finding space for the 6 x 2,700 watt power supplies needed to power these wonders of technology.

[Origin_Unknown]

this is all becomming a circus, is there any concrete release dates yet?

[madcho]

this going happen the 18 for 4850, a week after for 4870

[cadaveca]

So strange, how end of last year AMD said no new cards, yet here we are talking about such a card. My head is doing cartwheels with all the rumours....so you say June 18th?

[Metroid]

There are many ways to be extreme, a lot of them don't involve spending stupid amounts of money

I would do it but you did,

Wise words

Metroid.

[fireice2]

True! very true. Lots of people can be extreme in their own ways.

[biohead]

I don't think you understand what extreme is though, extreme generally means pushing it unnecessarily further than other people, not being smart about your purchases, that's why it generally does cost lots of money to be extreme

extreme by itself doesn't mean anything, it's an adjective. in the world of computers, I'd say extreme implies extreme enthusiasm, which doesn't necessarily involve spending a ludicrous amount of money.

[LowRun]

But see I never said you can't blow the n00b out of the water, but we're not talking about average people here at xs, you're being compared to people that just about all of them know how to oc and what not, and that's why the more expensive hardware can help push people like shamino and kinc towards the world records.

So yes you can be extreme compared to the average person, but I was comparing you to the people here at xs, which that does result in having to spend some more money

Shamino and Kinc like a few others don't pay for most of the hardware they abuse so your point is moot.