790 corruption issues?

[Roger_D25]

Ah I see, well I won't be much help there since I haven't had a reference design since my old eVGA 680i? I do however remember that I always flashed using a floppy (which unfortunately doesn't help you much), sorry Furious!

[FuriousSalesman]

I appreciate the help anyways.

[Natalia]

What method do people use to update their bios?

Floppy for me.


So far, the system 'feels' much more stable today with the P05.

[Darksaber]

of course XFX does not have the new P05 BIOS available yet (at least not on their UK site).

I have read many times, that some are thinking of flashing the EVGA BIOS unto the XFX board...can anyone confirm that this will work?

cheers
DS

[aussie-revhead]

Hi guys , I am looking for the next step beyond my RF but these issues have me concerned , do the xfx have a better success rate than EVGA ? Have they corrected any of these issues ? Should I avoid these and get something else (P45) ? What will be next for nvidia ? Is the next step after 790i too far off ?

[sonofander]

is there even going to be an "after 790i"? the move to nahelm is upon us and seeing how well Nvidia and Intel are getting along right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see Intel hold out on R&D neccisary for Nvidia to put together Intel based mobos

[saaya]

I understand, given your experience and know-how you can post what you want! With that said do you plan on thoroughly testing the eVGA if it ever arrives? If so what hardware will you run on it?

i dont think i can post what i want!
and sure, if i ever get the 790 board i will test it
But i dont think thatll happen
No big deal tho, benchzowner went ahead and actually bought the asus board and did a great job testing and debugging it

of course XFX does not have the new P05 BIOS available yet (at least not on their UK site).

I have read many times, that some are thinking of flashing the EVGA BIOS unto the XFX board...can anyone confirm that this will work?

cheers
DS

yepp, you just need the right flash tool, not sure which one tho

[Darksaber]

yepp, you just need the right flash tool, not sure which one tho

used the one on the EVGA CD Image, which you can download in their forums. The image includes the P05 Bios.

Currently running at 4.05 Ghz and 1800 MHz mem ^^ no problems so far in the first few minutes ^^.

that is what I was aiming for, so I am happy.

[Delirious.]

is there even going to be an "after 790i"? the move to nahelm is upon us and seeing how well Nvidia and Intel are getting along right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see Intel hold out on R&D neccisary for Nvidia to put together Intel based mobos

790I FTW with bios load line calibration and other things.

[Shaquille]

790i FSB overclocking and memory timing
Question to nVidia help

Answer
NVIDIA was made aware of a possible corruption issue reported by Anandtech. NVIDIA has determined corruption was possible in isolated non-stock FSB/DDR3 frequencies under certain conditions near 1600 MHz. A BIOS has been released on May 21st that corrects the issue. Users can obtain the BIOS directly from their board vendor.

link

[slim142]

Yeah so that means ASUSs new BIOs should be out today or tomorrow at lastest?

[Shaquille]

Yeah so that means ASUSs new BIOs should be out today or tomorrow at lastest?

I don´t know this, but i hope...

[slim142]

I don´t know this, but i hope...

Well according to Bingo we should... but I havent heard anything. Last time I talked to pmp he was out of town so I dont know how long ASUS plans to take to release this new one.

[saaya]

790i FSB overclocking and memory timing
Question to nVidia help

Answer
NVIDIA was made aware of a possible corruption issue reported by Anandtech. NVIDIA has determined corruption was possible in isolated non-stock FSB/DDR3 frequencies under certain conditions near 1600 MHz. A BIOS has been released on May 21st that corrects the issue. Users can obtain the BIOS directly from their board vendor.

link

i really really dont like that FAQ...
it sounds like only anandtech had this problem, and it sounds like it only happens if you try really strange fsb/dram combinations that dont really make sense to run... and they say 1600 is out of spec? but at the same time they advertize 790 as ddr3 2000 capable?

and they say a bios was released that fixed the problem.
thats not true... they make it sound like the issue was fixed a long time ago, when its still happening! the situation has improved, but the problem is not solved!

[nachthymnen]

What method do people use to update their bios?

I've used WinFlash, but the best way is with a bootable CD-Rom or with a USB key.

[RLM]

I'm using awdflash and a USB key. Easy.

Edit: A bit sketchy, but I believe I used this tool HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool to setup my key.

I'd still like to know what's actually been changed in P05 from P04. After a months wait it's a bit of an anti-climax.

RLM

[Roger_D25]

i really really dont like that FAQ...
it sounds like only anandtech had this problem, and it sounds like it only happens if you try really strange fsb/dram combinations that dont really make sense to run... and they say 1600 is out of spec? but at the same time they advertize 790 as ddr3 2000 capable?

and they say a bios was released that fixed the problem.
thats not true... they make it sound like the issue was fixed a long time ago, when its still happening! the situation has improved, but the problem is not solved!

I completely agree, no fix that I know of! If there was a BIOS fix that truly took care of this corruption issue there would be loads of cheers throughout the forums!

[FuriousSalesman]

I am not sure if I understand 100%? Does the PO5 bios not fix the corruption issue? Or is the problem that EVGA is the only company that has a bios that officially fixes the issue while XFX and Asus Striker don't have one yet?

[BenchZowner]

XFX & eVGA share the same BIOS with every reference board.
It's just 1, 2 changes for them to "integrate" the "fix".
Asus has got to "make their own" BIOS because they're not using the reference design.

[slim142]

I completely agree, no fix that I know of! If there was a BIOS fix that truly took care of this corruption issue there would be loads of cheers throughout the forums!

I am not sure if I understand 100%? Does the PO5 bios not fix the corruption issue? Or is the problem that EVGA is the only company that has a bios that officially fixes the issue while XFX and Asus Striker don't have one yet?

So wait, are you guys saying that even with P05 people still getting corruption problems?

Is people formatting their drives and doing a fresh installation of everything after they install P05? Because as we all know, corruption might have left some trace in their HDDs causing them to corrupt even with P05.

[Roger_D25]

I was refering to how the latest BIOS releases doesn't exaclty cure all these corruption issues despite their claims. I was probably a bit harsh in my post because Nvidia only claimed that "possible isolated non-stock cases of FSB/DDR3 corruption near or at 1600Mhz was fixed", they didn't say that all corruption issues were fixed. But they do make it sounds like the issues has been taken care of like saaya mentioned.

[saaya]

well for them, ocing corruption doesnt matter it seems...
they probably only cared to fix the issues at around 1600 cause thats what system integrators want to be plug and play-able.
and if that doesnt work, then they would lose a lot of sales to system builders who want to build systems with fsb 1600 and ddr3 1600 and up...

[dinos22]

has anyone tested P05

i will do so soon

saaya pls let ppl that actually have a problem test the board and report results.....
if it has not been resolved and i can and will also confirm this when i get a chance....it will be reported to nvidia MCP guys direct from my end

i cannot report results without proper testing and feedback so no point just saying it's still there as we have to get them to replicate the problems in the labs

[Roger_D25]

Good point Dinos22 but its difficult when it seems so very easy for many of us to replicate this "issue" and have been for some time now? However I have no idea how they or any other vendor handles this kind of research (I always assumed they have a handful of people actually using the motherboards they sell, and using them outside of stock settings? Once again however, the handful of us having "issues" probably represent a fairly small percentage of overall users (and although I assumed they had a handful of people testing I don't think they can test thousands of motherboards to replicate "issues" only a small percentage of us are having)? Hopefully that makes some sense, lol! With that all said Dinos22 do you actually know how this kind of research happens at a place like Asus given your relationship with them? Do they actually setup a handful of motherboards and just try as many different settings and configurations as possible to try finding as many "issues" as possible and then prioritize the problems? Just curious as I haven't really thought about this stuff until reading your post.

[BenchZowner]

Good point Dinos22 but its difficult when it seems so very easy for many of us to replicate this "issue" and have been for some time now?

Dinos is always having good & valid points ( just wanted to say that ).
Thing is... I have had corruption as well as some other people here, but even with BIOS v0701 and v0601 ( the 0601 surely doesn't have the "corruption fix" ) starting from the past 2 weeks I haven't had any corruption and I've been pushing the board ridiculously high and outside what most people would even think of.
1.75V SB & NB on stock cooling ( just fans over the heatsinks ) [ changed the thermal paste as well ], 1.8V QX9650 CPU @ watercooling, 2.3V RAM at DDR3-2050+ 7-7-6-21 1T and more.
I wasn't even using memtest to "pretest" my RAM for errors before trying to get into windows and bench or run stability programs & stressing the components

It's crazy, because I've had corruption with the v0601 BIOS for sure in the past, and I haven't really changed anything in the system.
Same CPU, same RAM, same VGA, same PSU, same HDD, same Norton Ghost Image, everything.
Even the settings, every setting I use ( successful or not ) is being recorded, so I have "logs" to check back anytime.

However I have no idea how they or any other vendor handles this kind of research (I always assumed they have a handful of people actually using the motherboards they sell, and using them outside of stock settings? Once again however, the handful of us having "issues" probably represent a fairly small percentage of overall users (and although I assumed they had a handful of people testing I don't think they can test thousands of motherboards to replicate "issues" only a small percentage of us are having)? Hopefully that makes some sense, lol!

The more the testers the better.
If you can separate the testers into categories that might be more effective as well.
Still I wonder how Asus missed the malfunctioning tRFC setting in their BIOSes for the Striker II Extreme ( from some version & all the newer versions ), it just ignores your setting.
Now, if their testers are leaving the sub-timings @ auto, that's not going to help them find the bug, right ?
Manufacturers use their own "weapon of choice"...erm... I meant way to beta test their stuff.

With that all said Dinos22 do you actually know how this kind of research happens at a place like Asus given your relationship with them?

You missed the relationship a bit
Dinos is "helping" Gigabyte
But that's not my job, he can speak for himself and I bet he will
Let him get some rest, he had some seriously long flight home.