GeForce 9900 GTX & GTS Slated For July Launch

[nemsis]

2nd gen means more optimized shaders, as in 50% increased shader performance per shader.

if one shader from 128 equal 4 unit

you mean that one shader from 240 equal 6 unit

then

128*4= 512 unit

240*6= 1440 unit

Now

1440/512 * 100 = 281.25%

Do you mean that GTX 280 will perform 2.8X better than 9800GTX

NO

it isn't SPARTAAAAAAAAAA

it is MADNESS

[Anemone]

Failing to put 10.1 support for now a 2nd product in a row 9xxx series being the previous that "could" have had it, will end up being a mistake. Given the strength of the 8800/9800 not a lot of folks are going to bite, because they won't need the extra power. And with a lack of additional features further souring the soup, the initial sales will be good as the first adopter wave hits and passes. After that things will stagnate, and you will be surprised when they see that mistake in action.

The holiday season and discounts may save things somewhat through Christmas. After Dec 08, sales of 280/260 series will go into the tank.

$.02

[Tim]

Why would you need DX10.1 anway.

If nVidia doesn't support it, I'll very much doubt you'll see it in many games, since TWIMTBP is very very strong, ATI really dropped the ball there.

[zerazax]

10.1 supposedly adds a lot of features, and fwiw, what MS does, MS tends to get people to change

[AliG]

Exactly why many people, including alienware believe that microsoft should have released vista as x64 only, software would have been forced to catch up, and just about every cpu on the market is 64 bit right now anyways. I'm pretty sure that eventually microsoft will force its hand and dx10.1 will show up, its a shame nvidia caused assassins creed to lose dx10.1, that brought a good performance boost that ati users paid for when they bought the cards, not to mention dx10.1 offers more than just extra performance, it also affects the minimum image quality etc

[DeathReborn]

10.1 supposedly adds a lot of features, and fwiw, what MS does, MS tends to get people to change

Even Microsoft aren't shouting about DX 10.1 as they don't really see the merit in it themselves.

Exactly why many people, including alienware believe that microsoft should have released vista as x64 only, software would have been forced to catch up, and just about every cpu on the market is 64 bit right now anyways. I'm pretty sure that eventually microsoft will force its hand and dx10.1 will show up, its a shame nvidia caused assassins creed to lose dx10.1, that brought a good performance boost that ati users paid for when they bought the cards, not to mention dx10.1 offers more than just extra performance, it also affects the minimum image quality etc

Can you prove nVidia made 10.1 disappear? No, you can't but like the other "fanATIcs" (to coin an old term) you'll happily spout conspiracy theories & conjecture.

[Nuker_]

It will eithery be a GTX 280 or a HD4870X2 for me this summer. I wonder which of them that will perform at the utmost top end of performance?

[madcho]

dx10 is born to die ^^

[Tim]

10.1 supposedly adds a lot of features, and fwiw, what MS does, MS tends to get people to change

Vista you mean?

(That's taking it's merry time)

[AuDioFreaK39]

Fudzilla - Geforce GTX 280 to launch on June 18th

AWESOME. It looks like GTX 280 launches on June 18th, exactly 3 months after I bought my 9800GX2

But the only I question from Fud is that they claim the launch will take place on a Wednesday (June 18). Whereas Nvidia always tends to release its cards on a Tuesday. So perhaps they will correct the date to June 17?

[STaRGaZeR]

2nd gen means more optimized shaders, as in 50% increased shader performance per shader.

If you actually read the image, it says that the extra perfomance is obtained through the use of 240SPs. Nothing about them being optimized, though they surely have done some kind of optimization.

50% more perfomance per shader? SURE

[y2kbos]

Fudzilla - Geforce GTX 280 to launch on June 18th

AWESOME. It looks like GTX 280 launches on June 18th, exactly 3 months after I bought my 9800GX2

But the only I question from Fud is that they claim the launch will take place on a Wednesday (June 18). Whereas Nvidia always tends to release its cards on a Tuesday. So perhaps they will correct the date to June 17?

Not an expert, but I doubt the GTX280 will be faster than a 9800gx2 in sli optimized games, that would make this card 100% faster than a 8800gtx

[clonez]

why?

looking at the specs, its not only possible, but certain
(when drivers are good enough right on launchday; but after optimisation, shure)

[Pudi]

I'm gonna wait for the new 55nm 300 Ultra

[Richard Dower]

I'm rather stunned that 10.1 has not been implemented yet, yet ATI have....there must be some logic to this. Perhaps holding off for another gen?

[Anemone]

Why not implement 10.1? Because the die shrink of the GT200 is going to need a selling point. It might be DX 11 or 10.1, but since 11 is a long way off they are hedging their bets. Remember the changeover from 9.0 to 9.1? Based on Nv's experience I think they are saving it as a nugget for a future product bullet point, hoping instead that pure performance will sell this model. I believe they are correct, this strategy will work, it will just be short term.

The other thought is an attempt to implement 10.1 via drivers? I have no idea if this is possible anymore, but it's an age old method of approach if software can duplicate the needed commands.

[NapalmV5]

they better do 1GB mem per gpu this time around

512MB: total joke @ high rez

i aint buying no freakn 512MB/gpu no more!!

[AuDioFreaK39]

I'm rather stunned that 10.1 has not been implemented yet, yet ATI have....there must be some logic to this. Perhaps holding off for another gen?

DirectX 10.1 is basically a white paper spec. There's no true benefit of having it over DirectX 10 - it just enforces several DX implementations and serves as a "boundary guideline" for coders. ("you must include this, must include that," etc.)

[GAR]

they better do 1GB mem per gpu this time around

512MB: total joke @ high rez

i aint buying no freakn 512MB/gpu no more!!

I agree!!

[LordEC911]

DirectX 10.1 is basically a white paper spec. There's no true benefit of having it over DirectX 10 - it just enforces several DX implementations and serves as a "boundary guideline" for coders. ("you must include this, must include that," etc.)

Go read the white paper and then come back and say there is "no true benefit."

[Shintai]

If you actually read the image, it says that the extra perfomance is obtained through the use of 240SPs. Nothing about them being optimized, though they surely have done some kind of optimization.

50% more perfomance per shader? SURE

I dont think there is any PhysX, or any wide memory bus etc. AMD already showed a 512bit bus was a neckbreaker.

[Sr7]

I dont think there is any PhysX, or any wide memory bus etc. AMD already showed a 512bit bus was a neckbreaker.

Explain how it could possibly *hurt* performance...

[Tim]

I dont think there is any PhysX, or any wide memory bus etc. AMD already showed a 512bit bus was a neckbreaker.

AMD's problem wasn't the 512bit bus.

[Shintai]

Explain how it could possibly *hurt* performance...

Did I say it hurt performance? Try $.

There is a reason 9800GTX/HD3870 etc is 256bit

[Sr7]

Did I say it hurt performance? Try $.

There is a reason 9800GTX/HD3870 etc is 256bit

When you say neckbreaker, you are making it sound like (even if unintentionally) it is going to hurt performance. Sorry, your words, not mine.

You say 512bit is expensive, but do you think DDR5 is cheap for ATI?