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    Thumbs up OC Report :: Crucial Ballistix 2x1GB PC3-16000 CL9



    "Still rock my khakis with a cuff and a crease..." Guess who's back? That's right, it is the original OC Report rearing its dual 32M running head and the star of the show is once again a kit of Ballistix. Last time around the test platform was quite a bit different than this session but at the heart of it, the 240 pin DDR3 DIMM slots haven't changed...just everything that powers and supports them including motherboard, chipset, and processor. Make sure you are buckled in and please keep your arms and hands inside the ride at all times, things are about to get crazy.


    Crucial, or should we say Micron, continues to run the DDR3 SDRAM game and it doesn't look like that is about to change any time soon. Since my last Ballistix OC Report, a few things on the hardware landscape have changed, most importantly the label on the ICs of the highest rated DDR3 kits money can buy. As we will see in a short while, the D9 variant of Micron IC's powering this kit is not like the last and despite some differences, the primary ass kicking aspects of this memory are still the same. Micron continues to push the envelope and develop ICs that keep things interesting for use enthusiasts and keep the debate hot whether one is better than the other. Remember the DDR2 D9GMH/D9GKX arguments that populated every major overclocking forum not that long ago, including this one? Well get ready for round two because the DDR3 equivalent is already here and I am going to be fanning the fire with these results.

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    The format is the same, the methodology is the same, and the goal is the same...make the memory scream. As I always say, let's get this horse and pony show on the road!
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    Specifications, Features, & Pricing

    I think the majority of users here are more than familiar with DDR3 specifications and likely already know the details about this kit. So I wills imply present those specs for you and not dummy it down with an explanation.


    Like I said, this memory simply stated is rated for DDR3-2000 or 1000MHz @ 9-9-9-28 w/1.90v. Now it doesn't say anywhere on the Crucial web site which chipsets these ratings are for so we are left to assume that this would be for any chipset. Unfortunately I highly doubt that to be correct. For sure this memory is rated for 1000MHz operation on NVIDIA 7 series chipset based motherboards due to the EPP2.0 profile or in marketing terms 'SLI-Ready' when in fact it has nothing to do with SLI. It simply means NVIDIA based motherboards can read the EPP profile and adjust settings accordingly to the specifications, including voltage. This is very much the same as the Intel XMP profiles. Here is a look at the SPD table as well as the default timings when the EPP2.0 profile is enabled. Which, by the way, works perfectly on the EVGA 790i NVIDA reference motherboard with timings, memory ratio, and voltages being adjust correctly.


    The EPP2.0 profile sets the secondary timing tRAS at 28, tRC at 50, Command Rate to 2T, and tRFC at 110. All of these timings are extremely loose, as are the main timing sets of 9-9-9. This will ensure that the memory can run at 1000MHz with only 1.9v but it will also all but kill performance on the 790i chipset because my testing has found that tighter secondary/primary timings will usually beat out higher frequencies a lot of time...the frequency really needs a big jump to overcome loose timings. Of course this is based on SPi 32M testing but since SPi relies heavily on the memory sub-system, it seems the most logical test. Bandwidth doesn't seem to be effected as much by the loose secondary timings though so real world difference in programs other than SPi may or may not show a huge disadvantage.

    In a few moments we are going to look at the modules and what we will find is that the ICs populating these modules are Micron D9GTS (MT41J128M8BY-15E). These ICs are the big brother, if you will, of the famous Micron D9GTR ICs that have been populating PC3-14400 CL7 kits for months now. The family part number is MT41J128M8BY and encompasses both D9GTR and D9GTS ICs. Digi-Key no longer has any MT41J128M8BY parts listed on their site, only Arrow electronics does but I find their prices to be highly inflated. For example, on D9JNL which both Arrow and Digi-Key stock, the price difference is nearly $9USD/unit higher at Arrow. With that as our reference, D9GTS should be selling for about $10USD/unit because Arrow has it listed for $18USD/unit. This could be way off though as we can't find any IC supplier selling D9GTS aside from Arrow at this point. Of course, Crucials cost is going to be lower because their parent company Micron is the producer. This puts the IC cost of each module at approximately $80USD (based on my quasi math which may be completely off as D9GTS might be closer to the $18USD/IC that Arrow lists), so when considering two modules per kit, we are up to $160USD. That doesn't include binning costs, PCB costs, or the cost to manufacture; which isn't exactly cheap but doesn't exactly justify the price when you consider kits of D9JNL binned for 1000MHz for $240USD or $270CND from OCZ. Either way, here are the full specifications outlined, the information has been pulled straight from the Micron web site:

    D9GTS Specifications
    • Density: 1Gb
    • Part Status: Production
    • RohS: Yes
    • Depth: 128Mb
    • Width: x8
    • Voltage: 1.5V
    • Package: FBGA
    • Pin Count: 86-ball
    • Clock Rate: 667 MHz
    • Cycle Time: 1.5ns
    • Op. Temp.: 0C to +85C
    • CL: CL = 9
    • Data Rate: DDR3-1333

    The only difference in the listed specs of D9GTS and D9GTR is the difference in rated frequency and the CL at that frequency at 1.5v. This D9GTS is rated for operation at 667MHz with a CL9 @ 1.5v while D9GTR is rated for operation at 533MHz with a CL7 @ 1.5v. This is very similar to the difference between D9GMH and D9GKX in the DDR2 world. It would make sense then that D9GTR is normally found on PC3-12800/PC3-14400 CL7 kits of memory and this D9GTS is on the PC3-16000 CL9 kit because of these ratings. Other manufacturers who have PC3-16000 kits aren't using these IC's though. It has been reported that a number of manufacturers are using D9JNL for their DDR3-2000 kits so it was a bit of a surprise to find D9GTS on these modules. We also know that this very kit from Crucial is also coming with D9JNL which is what we expected, so obviously not all kits are going to be D9GTS. Here now is a list of retail outlets and their prices where this memory can be purchased at the time of posting:
    At this point, the pricing on this kit is un-acceptable to be honest. Any on-line outlet that has this memory available has this kit priced at well over $600 and weren't even worth posting, I simply listed NCIX.com as a reference for Canadian users. I understand this is a highly rated kit of DDR3 but OCZ has a similar binned kit, likely using different D9JNL ICs but still binned for DDR3-2000 CL9, for $270CND/$240USD. It would be impossible to recommend the Ballistix over the OCZ because the difference between the ICs is so minimal that the cost offsets those differences quite easily. It is hard to say if all PC3-16000 kits coming from Crucial are D9GTS or will be going forward but I like to see a price drop for the Ballistix to become more competitive.
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    Package & Module Photos

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    The retail package for Crucial hasn't changed in a long time and that is fine with me. Personally, I really like the cardboard box approach as opposed to the molded plastic clam shell. The box makes for easy transport, storage, and protects the memory better than anything else on the market as far as I am concerned. The accordion inserts keep the memory separated and standing up, unable to move in any direction. In addition to Crucial being the only manufacturer that ships modules in a cardboard box, they are also the only manufacturer that ships memory in ESD sensitive bags. These bags are sealed and the only way to open them is cutting or ripping. This is another nice feature of their shipping package...you always know if you have brand new memory from the factory. With the plastic clam shell, it can easily be ran, tested, used, and abused; then put back in the clam shell for sale as new.


    I got a little trigger happy with the camera and this kit but I just like the looks of them. Crucial moved to a clip less heat sink a while back now and relies solely on the thermal adhesive to hold them in place. This is a definite upgrade from the interlocked and clipped heat sinks of old that sometimes had too much pressure at the top and actually lifted the heat sinks off the ICs towards the bottom of the modules. Overall though, the Ballistix heat sink is very basic being a simple aluminum design but the way Crucial finishes them, they look very nice. The size obviously won't hinder or complicate installation in any setup, or in 4 X module configurations.


    Crucial continues to use the grey spongy thermal pad and adhesive with their modules and it seems to work just fine for them. The application is always bang on and as we can see in the first photo, almost the entire IC is covered with the thermal material on this kit. The debate about heat sinks on memory and thermal materials used will go on forever but I still think with heat sink designs like this, it is more for marketing than for cooling. I believe that only when you get into the Corsair DHX heat sinks do you actually get noticeable benefits from them.

    As we talked about in the specifications page, these modules use D9GTS which was completely unexpected. At this point, it was my understanding that all 1000MHz kits from all manufacturers are using D9JNL. I am going way out on a limb here but I have a feeling the market for D9GTR/GTS dried up quickly when D9JNL came out that can do almost everything the earlier parts could but for a lower cost. This might be Micron getting rid of D9GTS before switching this kit over to D9JNL or even D9JNM/D9JZF? Again, 100% unconfirmed pure speculation on my part but I just couldn't believe it when I saw D9GTS under the heat sinks.
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    Make Way For The King of Bandwidth

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    Many of you will already be familiar with this setup despite this being the first OC Report on my EVGA 790i motherboard. At this point, this motherboard has already taken the 32M world record for E8400 processors, was the first to break 15K read bandwidth in Everest, and absolutely clocks memory like a beast. Everything that has touched this motherboard has been considered gold so hopefully that streak continues with this kit. Here is a break-down of the hardware that was used for the results we are about to see.
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    Setup:
    MB:          EVGA 790i Ultra SLI (vMCH / vDROOP / vCORE mods)
    CPU:         Intel C2D E8400 (Q808A476)
    CPU Cooling: Chilly 1 SS
    GPU:         2 x BFG 9800GTX / Biostar 8600GTS 512MB DDR3
    NB Cooling:  Swiftech MCW30 / PA 120.2 / DD5 
    SB Cooling:  Thermalright HR-05-SLI
    PWM Cooling: Swiftech MC14s
    PSU:         Ultra ULT-750P
    HD:          Seagate SATAII 80GB 8MB NCQ
    OS:          Windows XP Pro SP2
    
    Ambient Temperature: 22-23C
    All of the dual 32M screenshots were done with the dual 9800GTXs as there are two GPU temps in the Everest on screen display. Since then though, the 9800GTXs had to move on and I am back with my trusty 7600GS for any further benchmarking. There may be a point where my HIS HD3870X2 is used for some 3D benching with this kit but can't say for certain.
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    Dual 32M OC Report: 790i

    We have finally arrived at the heart of the 'Original OC Report', the dual 32M SPi overclock testing. As the name suggests, all results listed in the chart below have passed dual 32M SPi using HyperPi 0.99b. I am not claiming any further stability than what is shown in the screen shots. Single 32M SPi will likely be higher and full Prime Blend, HCI Memtest, or 3D stability may be lower. I have found that dual 32M SPi stability testing is a nice and quick way to find out where a kit of memory will fall. Further testing for more or less stability can then be conducted from these results.

    Result Caveat #1 - Obviously not all retail samples of this memory are going to clock as good, at the same time, some will clock better.

    Result Caveat #2 - This sample was supplied by Crucial for a review. I have confirmed with Sam Harmer (Crucial/Lexar Public Relations Manager) that all review samples from Crucial go out to reviewers are random retail samples. The marketing department simply puts an order through their retail department and the sample sent out is completely random and from the exact same pool of samples that would go out to any other customer ordering memory from Crucial. This memory is 100% not handpicked in any way.

    Result Caveat #3 - Memory clocking results will vary from sample to sample of 790i motherboards we are finding. My 790i reference board seems to be a pretty decent one. On top of that, I have obviously modified the SPP voltage as well as the cooling. Keep this in mind when looking at results. The vSPP displayed in the Everest on-screen display is accurate with actual voltage being supplied as measured from the output coil with a DMM.

    Result Caveat #4 - There are a lot of issues with 24/7 stability/corruption and the 790i motherboards, particularly 3D gaming and watching movies of a certain type. Don't read more into these results than they are, I am only showing dual 32M stability, nothing more. If you are considering a 790i board for a daily machine, then please be sure to visit manufacturers forums like EVGA to see exactly what the issues are before spending your hard earned money.

    Result Caveat #5 - The vDIMM listed for each overclock is accurate with a DMM measurement from of the open DIMM slots at the first VDD pin beside the key in the DIMM. The ground used is the lower left hand ground plane at the motherboard mounting hole. The DMM used is UEI DM393 that is calibrated yearly and was last calibrated in March of this year.

    Now that I have that out of the way, here is what this monster kit cooked up:


    6-6-5-X 1T:
    NVIDIA 790i:
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    780MHz :: 1.90v | 797MHz :: 1.95v | 813MHz :: 2.00v | 830MHz :: 2.05v | 846MHz :: 2.10v

    Well there you have it. This kit obviously doesn't mind 6-6-5 and going to 6-6-6 didn't gain much over a couple MHz if that. At stock voltage of 1.90v this kit ran a comfortable 780MHz and climbed to a very respectable 846MHz with 'only' 2.10v. The 24/7 ceiling for DDR3 and these D9 based Micron ICs has been all but agreed upon to be 2.10v. Even then, we are not 100% sure they will last, 2.00v is the safer 24/7 voltage. For benching, however, 2.10v seems to be more than fine and even 2.20v appears to be pretty acceptable for certain periods of time. With this kit though, I will stay at 2.10v until all of the other testing for the review is complete, then perhaps we will see an update at 2.15v and 2.20v.


    7-6-5-X 1T:
    NVIDIA 790i:
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    905MHz :: 1.90v | 925MHz :: 1.95v | 945MHz :: 2.00v | 967MHz :: 2.05v | 981MHz :: 2.10v

    Again, going from 7-6-5 to 7-6-6 gained next to nothing for frequency which is consistent with other kits of D9GTR/D9GTS that I have clocked. I was kind of hoping for a bit of headroom with a tRP of 6 as the 790i is suppose to take off at 7-6-6 versus 7-6-5 but I just didn't find that with these modules. This kit is definitely going to be 7-6-5 1000MHz single 32M stable, but the real question is going to be whether or not tRFC will be able to come down. As it stands, for dual 32M stability, it had to go up to a rather high 75 for the maximum frequency hit. In fact, for any decent clocks at 7-6-5, tRFC had to come up to 65 which really hurts 32M SPi performance.


    8-7-6-X 1T:
    NVIDIA 790i:
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    1021MHz :: 1.90v | 1045MHz :: 1.95v | 1068MHz :: 2.00v | 1088MHz :: 2.05v | 1112MHz :: 2.10v

    This is where things got really fun. I just recently posted my G.Skill PC3-12800 (D9GTR based) results here at XS which showed an 1100MHz single 32M run and 15K Everest Read result on this motherboard. This memory took that a big step forward cracking out an 1112MHz dual 32M SPi run which up to this point has never been seen to my knowledge. To severely understate these results one would say they were nice. To appropriately state these results, one would have to use terms like incredible, un-believable, and a few adjectives that will simply show up as bananas. At some point I will be showing the max single 32M run with this kit at 8-7-6 but I want to save that for a really crazy run at max frequency of this setup...so look for that down the road a little bit.
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    Benchmarking Results

    1M SPi // 15K+ Everest :: 1130MHz 8-7-6
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    and CPU-z validation of course...


    just messing around with this kit tonight because i needed something to cheer me up after a long and fruitless day with the P5E3-Premium...this kit definitely did its job


    32M SPi :: 1010MHz 7-6-5 @ 2.197v
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    and CPU-z validation of course...


    I am not even sure how I got on this setup exactly but I found myself clocking this kit at 7-6-5 with single 32M and when I reached 1000MHz, I thought I should start paying attention. The above few screenshots are the maximums I could squeeze out of them today without going over 2.20v. When considering how well this kit clocks at 8-7-6, these 7-6-5 clocks are absolutely incredible. And who said 790i didn't like 7-6-5
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    Deep Thoughts...By 3oh6

    There you have another OC Report proudly brought to you by myself and 3oh6.com. I would like to thank Sam and Kelly from Crucial/Lexar for their fantastic support of my addiction and supplying the modules tested here today. Clearly there is some huge potential with D9GTS ICs when paired with the 790i chipset, but that was pretty much a known already. These numbers may just re-ignite a debate over whether D9GTS is better than D9GTR because these results are a pinch higher than what I have achieved with any D9GTR kits I have had. At the same time, this is also a new chipset being the 790i and I haven't had all my kits put through their paces on it. So for now, let's just chalk it up to a good kit of memory and forget the D9GTS/GTR debate for now.


    No matter how you look at it, this kit of memory did incredibly well and will be a nice addition to my fleet of benching memory. For 32M SPi though, I hope I can bring the tRFC down as my G.Skill can bench 32M at these frequencies with a tRFC of 58 which has helped tremendously in my efficient times.

    DDR3 prices are coming down but unfortunately this kit is priced rather high at this point. Hopefully that changes very soon though because I know a lot of people that are going to be interested in modules like this. Thank-you for reading and don't forget to keep your eyes on this thread when it comes to the top of the pile as there should be some updates coming in going forward. Have a great long weekend Canucks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jor3lBR View Post
    It holds the current WR for the least vcore required to run 4500Mhz stable (1.32vcore)
    i can't even make that shyt up ^^^

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    awesome benchmarks as always, one of the reviews i personally wait on, and by the way excellent results.

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    Looks very good
    As we talked about in the specifications page, these modules use D9GTS which was completely unexpected. At this point, it was my understanding that all 1000MHz kits from all manufacturers are using D9JNL. I am going way out on a limb here but I have a feeling the market for D9GTR/GTS dried up quickly when D9JNL came out that can do almost everything the earlier parts could but for a lower cost. This might be Micron getting rid of D9GTS before switching this kit over to D9JNL or even D9JNM/D9JZF? Again, 100% unconfirmed pure speculation on my part but I just couldn't believe it when I saw D9GTS under the heat sinks.
    There's some issues with the JNM atm...

    Jody, this is very interesting for me... I dont have any GTS, and yes, I have asked for them, but impossible for me to get
    Can you test with even more voltage... As much as you dare.... sub 2.5v shouldnt be a problem, but if you want to keep it ultra-safe, keep below 2.4v.... I'd go for 2.7v myself, but thats me
    - If you can arrange for me to receive a pair, please let me know!

    As for your tRFC, I belive both kits can do around 45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chewb|t View Post
    awesome benchmarks as always, one of the reviews i personally wait on, and by the way excellent results.
    thanks for the comment, it is much appreciated. glad to hear you find the work useful as that is why i put the effort forth to present it.

    Quote Originally Posted by M.Beier View Post
    Jody, this is very interesting for me... I dont have any GTS, and yes, I have asked for them, but impossible for me to get
    Can you test with even more voltage... As much as you dare.... sub 2.5v shouldnt be a problem, but if you want to keep it ultra-safe, keep below 2.4v.... I'd go for 2.7v myself, but thats me
    - If you can arrange for me to receive a pair, please let me know!

    As for your tRFC, I belive both kits can do around 45
    i won't be killing any modules for your benefit, sorry . as for tRFC, 45 at 1100MHz in my experience is impossible, but i would love to see some screen shots and results to prove me wrong...then i want the sticks to play with
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jor3lBR View Post
    It holds the current WR for the least vcore required to run 4500Mhz stable (1.32vcore)
    i can't even make that shyt up ^^^

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    beautiful review again
    the results are quite interesting... cas7 and cas8 are very nice while cas6 is good, but not as high as id expect it to be from the 7 and 8 results.
    but i heard 790 doesnt like cas6, so maybe thats it. do you still have any intel based boards around? if yes, do you plan to test the mem on there?
    Im curious about the 790 vs intel cas scaling... it seems the 790 chipset clocks worse with tight timings but higher with more relaxed timings compared to intel chipsets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saaya View Post
    beautiful review again
    the results are quite interesting... cas7 and cas8 are very nice while cas6 is good, but not as high as id expect it to be from the 7 and 8 results.
    but i heard 790 doesnt like cas6, so maybe thats it. do you still have any intel based boards around? if yes, do you plan to test the mem on there?
    Im curious about the 790 vs intel cas scaling... it seems the 790 chipset clocks worse with tight timings but higher with more relaxed timings compared to intel chipsets.
    thanks mate.

    see and i thought the CL6 results were just bangin...almost 850MHz dual 32M at only 2.1v, i haven't had a kit do that ever before. you definitely have some curious expectations for some things

    i do have a p5e3-premium but it is busy doing its own work and then has a 2x2gb kit scheduled on it after so it would be a while before i could get this kit moved over, and it likely won't happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jor3lBR View Post
    It holds the current WR for the least vcore required to run 4500Mhz stable (1.32vcore)
    i can't even make that shyt up ^^^

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    Great review Jody, as always
    Could you also test these little babies () on an Intel chipset motherboard ? Curious to see what will happen with tight timings ... I think that as Sascha says, they will perform better on Intel chipset, with tight timings

    EDIT// Sorry Jody, I had to see something while writing my post and you got me ! No problems that you won't test the kit on Intel Just continue your good work

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    thanks George but it doesn't seem to matter whether i have time or not because the P5E3-Premium i have is not really co-operating with me. north of 500FSB is a no go on the 266 strap (which has a decided bandwidth advantage over 200/333/400). i might have to submit and start working with the 333 strap. i have literally fought with this thing all day...coming up on the 20 hour mark now

    2 feet to the right however, the 790i continues to kick ass, take names, and leave nothing on the table...mainly with this Ballistix kit. some interesting observations thus far. this kit won't boot with more than 2.150v and nTune doesn't show the correct voltage in Windows, so i am not going to try my luck changing it there, time for a vDIMM mod i guess. but at 2.150v...things are getting serious. welcome the second member to the the 15K club
    Quote Originally Posted by 3oh6 View Post
    1M SPi // 15K+ Everest :: 1130MHz 8-7-6
    click for full size...including memset


    just messing around with this kit tonight because i needed something to cheer me up after a long and fruitless day with the P5E3-Premium...this kit definitely did its job
    and this was done with over 200MHz less CPU frequency than the first kit. now if you will excuse me, i have to go crush my previous top frequency for the sub 9min category over at the low clock challenge
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jor3lBR View Post
    It holds the current WR for the least vcore required to run 4500Mhz stable (1.32vcore)
    i can't even make that shyt up ^^^

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    great review
    thanks for sharing

    i have this kit as well but i assumed they are JNL for same reasons many others have

    i am now NOT surprised you can do 7-6-5-x that high hehehe

    i really have to stick them back into 790i as i cannot get these sticks to beat my Corsair Dominators on P5E3 DLX (X38 board) and Gigabyte X48T-DQ6

    i cannot run this kit at 2GHz with CAS8-8-8-8 or anything below...i'm not even going to bother with CAS9 lol heheh (as you i am sticking to 266MHz strap....i can bench Dominators at 8-7-6-18 1T no worries at all

    enough is enough >> i figured out a system for 790i now (Norton Ghost ) and will spend some of my SuperPi time to see what i can get out of the setup when i came back from my US trip ....hehehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinos22 View Post
    i have this kit as well but i assumed they are JNL for same reasons many others have

    i am now NOT surprised you can do 7-6-5-x that high hehehe
    haha, yeah, didn't we all. i have gone back through all my posts and edited with correct information. thats what i get for flapping my gums without looking under the heat sinks. with that said, i fully expect to hear about users getting these sticks and them being populated with D9JNL in the near future...but you never know i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jor3lBR View Post
    It holds the current WR for the least vcore required to run 4500Mhz stable (1.32vcore)
    i can't even make that shyt up ^^^

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    Hehe, stupid X48 can't achieve high FSB in most of the cases ... Now I know, that there are some exceptions like Pt1t's X48 DQ6 which is capable of 600MHz FSB, but the majority of people report low FSBs in comparison with 790i ... X48 + Wolfdale = terrible outcome ... That's of course really annoying, 'cause X48 is generally a good ram clocker especially with CL6 ...

    All in all, I think that nowadays if someone wants high ram frequency, or high bandwidth and great CL7 & CL8 overclocking, he should definitely stick with 790i ... Am I right ?

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    790i is the best Intel motherboard chipset at the moment hands down IMO (performance wise, fsb ocing wise)

    but i bench everything because that's where the fun is for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinos22 View Post
    790i is the best Intel motherboard chipset at the moment hands down IMO (performance wise, fsb ocing wise)

    but i bench everything because that's where the fun is for me


    Yeah it's fun benching different chipsets For example if you want a 9800GTX WR you should bench a QX + BlackOps, but if you want the SLi WR you HAVE to bench () QX + 790i ... And that's a chance for one to be a more experienced overclocker ... besides it's really funny like you say

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    but you have to keep in mind that as kick ass as the 790i chipset is at clocking memory, FSB, benching SPi, 3D, and so on...for 24/7 use, i am not sure i would recommend it to anyone. forums everywhere are full of 790i issues. now, whether this is a user error type thing or the hardware...i don't know. but i have experienced some of the issues myself. with that said, i haven't had to re-image my OS in weeks...pretty much since i did the volt mod on the NB and put water on for cooling. in all of these crazy clocks and really pushing RAM/FSB...not a single OS borked in weeks.

    i haven tried running COD4 at any of these clocks though...which i am pretty sure won't happen. so just keep this in mind when looking at my results. all i do is bench the living snot out of this thing, not watch movies or play games. although i have done some benching of COD4/UT3/HL2...it wasn't exactly fun and more a chore than i really care for because of lock ups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jor3lBR View Post
    It holds the current WR for the least vcore required to run 4500Mhz stable (1.32vcore)
    i can't even make that shyt up ^^^

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    I 100% agree with you man After all, when I said that things about 790i, I only referred to overclocking, 'cause well first of all, we 're in xtremesystems and Xtreme Bandwidth session , and second of all I really, really () don't think that a common 24/7 user who wants to overclock a bit his system in order to have better performance in games for instance, is going to spend hours in tweaking his ram settings so that he finds the best one ... Most of 'em use auto-overclocking or specific bios settings (related with Vcore, NB Voltage, sometimes even Vdimm - instead of stock Vdimm and 5-5-5-15, 2.2Vdimm and 4-4-4-12 24/7) that they 're told to set in tech forums

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    yeah in benching sense

    790i data corruption issues are a big problem for a lot of ppl it seems and they haven't fixed it yet
    >> i'm sure they will sort that out though.....

    it's a problem for me as well until i figured out how to use Norton Ghost lol

    George i meant for Intel CPUs lol

    but i am intrigued with the fact hipro5 is saying he could get an extra 150MHz CPU clocks on foxcon compared to the rest of the industry. i just don't know how possible that is across the range...maybe he just has some unusual CPUs or some freaky NB on his board...i fail to see how no other board can reach the clocks foxconn can

    for me FSB chipsets are much more fun AND ALSO i am not crazy enough to start spending thousands of dollars on a single freaking QX chip >> bad Intel bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinos22 View Post
    yeah in benching sense

    1)
    790i data corruption issues are a big problem for a lot of ppl it seems and they haven't fixed it yet
    >> i'm sure they will sort that out though.....

    it's a problem for me as well until i figured out how to use Norton Ghost lol

    2) George i meant for Intel CPUs lol

    3) but i am intrigued with the fact hipro5 is saying he could get an extra 150MHz CPU clocks on foxcon compared to the rest of the industry. i just don't know how possible that is across the range...maybe he just has some unusual CPUs or some freaky NB on his board...i fail to see how no other board can reach the clocks foxconn can

    4) for me FSB chipsets are much more fun AND ALSO i am not crazy enough to start spending thousands of dollars on a single freaking QX chip >> bad Intel bad
    1) They also said they were going to do sth with all these terrible issues that Striker Extreme (680i) was facing, but they did nothing ... I hope that 790i won't end up being a replica of 680i ... (I'm talking about the problems - issues, I know that performance wise it's ten times better )

    2) hehe

    3) Might be the 8-phase digital PWM that BlackOps is equipped with

    4) Yeah for me too (well I think it will at least, because in a month or so I'm buying my first Wolfdale - I have some experience with E4400 / E6750 though - I know it's not the same ) but only due to prices ... If prices were A LOT lower, I would definitely prefer a 9650 to an E8500 ...

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    alright guys, as suspected, there have been multiple users who have bought this memory and received D9JNL. this is no big surprise to hear but kind of disappointing at the same time. for 95% of users, it is not going to matter at all whether they receive JNL or GTS...there just isn't enough difference for those people. but 95% of the readers of this OC Report are the other 5% of all users and it will matter to a certain degree...whether in benchmarks or just in their heads.

    this kit came directly from Crucial retail sales, i am not sure where the D9JNL confirmed kits were purchased or when. we are on the case and trying to come up with batch numbers to see if there is a correlation. Dino, if you can contact me with what your sticks are and your numbers on the module/ESD bag, it would be much appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jor3lBR View Post
    It holds the current WR for the least vcore required to run 4500Mhz stable (1.32vcore)
    i can't even make that shyt up ^^^

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    how did you remove the heatspreader?
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